(2017) SF Jordan Tucker- OV 11/30/16

[Alford Bailey 13,228]

2 hours ago, Class of '66 Old Fart said:

Zagoria and his top 10 recruiting storylines for 2017.     http://www.zagsblog.com/2017/01/01/2017s-top-10-recruiting-storylines/         Getting an uneasy feeling that Tucker is beginning to slowly slip away.

 

9. Where will Jordan Tucker land?

The 6-foot-7 wing from Marietta (GA) Wheeler is down to Indiana and Villanova and recently took official visits to both, which he described here.

Tucker, who transferred to Wheeler from White Plains (N.Y.) Archbishop Stepinac for his senior season, will be looking at location a bit, because of the amount of family he has in the New York area.

“I’ve been away for a while, and I’d kind of like to have my family be able to see me play,” said Tucker, ranked No. 38 by ESPN.com “Indiana plays a lot of games in the Northeast, the Big Ten Tournament is in the North, and they played North Carolina at the Barclays. It could work either way. I don’t want to focus on location by itself, but I do want to find what the best fit is for me.”

Looking towards the timetable for his decision, he’s going to be looking at making a decision within the next month or so.

“Either January or early February for me I think,” Tucker said. “I’m just looking to see who’s ready to leave as well as playing time.”

Want this kid but in the back of my mind always wondered how many small forwards do we need.

[WayneFleekHoosier 51,431]

What does everyone else think on Tucker vs. Gunn?


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i think this is interesting. I've been one not as enamored with Tucker as his ratings suggest. I think his ratings will drop a bit. I think being a "6'7" shooter" has lead to high ceiling type rating.

I'm sure he his a good/great player with a lot of potential but I haven't him perform as I would expect for someone with his skill set.

Idk, but Gunn has had a good HS season. Wilkes is unfortunately, the runaway Mr. Indiana basketball.


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[bhaggard89 869]

Newkirk is getting better.

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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA


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[HooHooHoo22 3,937]

I've also been wondering about Gunn and Tuckers. He's putting up better stats than Tucker, that's for sure


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[yogisballin 2,433]

Newkirk is getting better.

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Are u being serious?? Can't tell


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13 hours ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

i think this is interesting. I've been one not as enamored with Tucker as his ratings suggest. I think his ratings will drop a bit. I think being a "6'7" shooter" has lead to high ceiling type rating.

I'm sure he his a good/great player with a lot of potential but I haven't him perform as I would expect for someone with his skill set.

Idk, but Gunn has had a good HS season. Wilkes is unfortunately, the runaway Mr. Indiana basketball.


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It's an interesting conversation, because some guys are ranked high because they are just flat out good players, others are ranked high based on potential or "tools". Take for example Hanner vs. someone like Juwan. Both ended up around 70ish, but Hanner was ranked because of his potential tools, while Morgan is just a gamer who can play the game despite not having a huge wingspan or vertical. I'd take Morgan 100 times out of 100 over Hanner. 

Not sure where Tucker or Genn fall in this, but I'd take the guy that can play over the guy that would be great "if it all comes together". It might not come together, and if it does it might not happen until after he's gone. 

[Uspshoosier 54,447]

I've also been wondering about Gunn and Tuckers. He's putting up better stats than Tucker, that's for sure


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One plays with 4 other division 1 kids and plays a national schedule ( tucker) and the other is the only kid with D1 talent on the team playing lesser talent. Hard to judge them purely on numbers they r putting up. In my opinion tucker is clearly the better prospect with the higher ceiling but having watch gunn in person several times this year and last he has clearly made a big jump in development. By not signing early he bet on himself and he has put himself in position to play at a higher level college then what most were expecting. Ball st was the favorite before his senior year. He should and will be playing for someone better


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[akhosrof 1,168]

One plays with 4 other division 1 kids and plays a national schedule ( tucker) and the other is the only kid with D1 talent on the team playing lesser talent. Hard to judge them purely on numbers they r putting up. In my opinion tucker is clearly the better prospect with the higher ceiling but having watch gunn in person several times this year and last he has clearly made a big jump in development. By not signing early he bet on himself and he has put himself in position to play at a higher level college then what most were expecting. Ball st was the favorite before his senior year. He should and will be playing for someone better

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Very good point. Sounds like Tucker is definitely preferable. However, if Tucker decides to go to Villanova and we end up with Gunn, I will not be disappointed. Although, this place will likely burn to the ground

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[Class of '66 Old Fart 90,814]

I am certainly not qualified to judge high school talent and how it will translate into D-1 basketball.  I have also never seen Gunn play but I did watch Tucker in his last week's tournament and wasn't that impressed.  As a team, Wheeler stood around and played a very passive defense (did someone say matador); they were also pretty lackadaisical in their rebounding effort.  They were getting beaten badly in the 4th Q of their final game and again, as a team, their on-cout body language was pretty poor.  Having said all that, their coach was also pretty much a jerk on the sidelines and maybe the team was simply a mirror image of their coach's basketball philosophy.

If nothing else after watching that game, I came to the realization of why we spend so much time recruiting on the east coast - they run, they gun, they play passive defense and, for the most part, are sloppy ballhandlers.  This paragraph was meant to apply to both the Wheeler and McEachern teams and not as a specific comment against Tucker.

[hsrtxp 1,400]

I am certainly not qualified to judge high school talent and how it will translate into D-1 basketball.  I have also never seen Gunn play but I did watch Tucker in his last week's tournament and wasn't that impressed.  As a team, Wheeler stood around and played a very passive defense (did someone say matador); they were also pretty lackadaisical in their rebounding effort.  They were getting beaten badly in the 4th Q of their final game and again, as a team, their on-cout body language was pretty poor.  Having said all that, their coach was also pretty much a jerk on the sidelines and maybe the team was simply a mirror image of their coach's basketball philosophy.

If nothing else after watching that game, I came to the realization of why we spend so much time recruiting on the east coast - they run, they gun, they play passive defense and, for the most part, are sloppy ballhandlers.  This paragraph was meant to apply to both the Wheeler and McEachern teams and not as a specific comment against Tucker.

Run, gun, passive defense, sloppy ball handlers. Wow, it's like you've been watching IUBB, men's version.


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[WayneFleekHoosier 51,431]

Yeah. I don't think the Tucker and Gunn comparison is as simple as USPS points out although his points are definitely valid.

Gunn has played with and against Wilkes, Scruggs, Jackson and such. A "plus" argument for Gunn is he is truly the focal point of the other team every game. He is still producing against high level Indiana teams. I'm not saying Gunn is better but the gap isnt nearly what the rankings would lead us to believe.

Tucker is a gunner. Tucker likes the spot light. Tucker has size and shooting (at times although he's had some real stinkers).

I would take Brian Bowen over Tucker everyday of the week. Or Wilkes. Heck, probably even Justin Smith.

Don't get me totally wrong, Tucker would be a recruiting coup but I don't think he is that type of top 30 player that excels early and often.

Would be a good piece if he is patient and plays within the team.


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[Uspshoosier 54,447]

Yeah. I don't think the Tucker and Gunn comparison is as simple as USPS points out although his points are definitely valid.

Gunn has played with and against Wilkes, Scruggs, Jackson and such. A "plus" argument for Gunn is he is truly the focal point of the other team every game. He is still producing against high level Indiana teams. I'm not saying Gunn is better but the gap isnt nearly what the rankings would lead us to believe.

Tucker is a gunner. Tucker likes the spot light. Tucker has size and shooting (at times although he's had some real stinkers).

I would take Brian Bowen over Tucker everyday of the week. Or Wilkes. Heck, probably even Justin Smith.

Don't get me totally wrong, Tucker would be a recruiting coup but I don't think he is that type of top 30 player that excels early and often.

Would be a good piece if he is patient and plays within the team.

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Then the question for gunn would be since he has played with and against the top Indiana talent and has been the focal point of other teams every game for the last 3 years why is ball st the leaders in his recruitment and offers from Indiana st, St. Louis, iupui, butler, and Indiana. While the gap might be closer then the rankings as they stand today in my opinion there is still a big enough gap to say tucker is the better prospect ( gunn has had his share of stinkers as well)

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[WayneFleekHoosier 51,431]

Then the question for gunn would be since he has played with and against the top Indiana talent and has been the focal point of other teams every game for the last 3 years why is ball st the leaders in his recruitment and offers from Indiana st, St. Louis, iupui, butler, and Indiana. While the gap might be closer then the rankings as they stand today in my opinion there is still a big enough gap to say tucker is the better prospect ( gunn has had his share of stinkers as well)

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Yeah, fair point. I think Tucker is a better athlete with a high ceiling.

Gunn had to play with Scruggs and Wilkes. He was the "Chris Bosh" of the big 3. Played behind 2 great players. I think he is being under recruited. I think athleticism must be the play here. Curious to see how it unfolds.

Wilkes was a big miss here. He probably isn't 1ndone but he is on another level here.

I would rather take the gamble with Tucker than Gunn too, and trust the analysts but this one will be interesting to follow.




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One plays with 4 other division 1 kids and plays a national schedule ( tucker) and the other is the only kid with D1 talent on the team playing lesser talent. Hard to judge them purely on numbers they r putting up. In my opinion tucker is clearly the better prospect with the higher ceiling but having watch gunn in person several times this year and last he has clearly made a big jump in development. By not signing early he bet on himself and he has put himself in position to play at a higher level college then what most were expecting. Ball st was the favorite before his senior year. He should and will be playing for someone better


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Lol thank you!! I couldn't believe that was even a question. One kid has offers from nearly every big school not named UK or Duke which they did show interest for awhile but never offered is enough to tell you there is a huge difference. Wheeler is usually stacked with a few good kids. They have 2 underclassmen on the bench that have mid to high major offers as well. Those two would likely challenge Gunn for the best player on his team. HS stats mean nothing. Rankings don't mean that much either unless its a kid in the top 50 which Tucker is.

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[Yogi's Picnic Basket 5,004]

To add to the point previously stated as well....if you watch Tucker in games it doesn't help much either when the level of competition is a lot more competitive. Swap the kids around and Tucker is probably right up there with Wilkes for Mr. Basketball.

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Oregon is getting involved now. I'm probably reading into this way too much, but I think their inclusion means he's having second thoughts about IU and we were his first choice before the season hit a rough patch. No other reason for a kid to cut down to 2 with a decision looming and then add another school. 

[Stuhoo 89,578]

Oregon is getting involved now. I'm probably reading into this way too much, but I think their inclusion means he's having second thoughts about IU and we were his first choice before the season hit a rough patch. No other reason for a kid to cut down to 2 with a decision looming and then add another school. 

Your post makes sense to me.

[Class of '66 Old Fart 90,814]

Tucker with 16 pts. and 6 reb. today in a win today.  You can look at his full stat line at:

http://www.prepcircuit.com/game/show/15584000?subseason=336137

[Uspshoosier 54,447]

Oregon is getting involved now. I'm probably reading into this way too much, but I think their inclusion means he's having second thoughts about IU and we were his first choice before the season hit a rough patch. No other reason for a kid to cut down to 2 with a decision looming and then add another school. 

https://www.zagsblog.com/2016/12/04/2017-wing-jordan-tucker-talks-indiana-villanova-decision-timeframe/
He was talking about Oregon a month ago after the Indiana visit. Arizona also mentioned


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[Uspshoosier 54,447]

http://www.zagsblog.com/2017/01/12/oregon-making-late-run-jordan-tucker-targeting-february-decision/


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