Sporting News Picks IU to finish 10th in B1G

[schoosier 3,524]

That would be true if we also didn't have people who like to slash it in the inside (Troy and Stan). I wouldn't categorize Troy as a 3 point shooter either. Also, Blackmon and Yogi have an ability to get into the lane, thus leaving a shooter open. While I see your point, you are conveniently painting many players far more 1-dimensional than they really are.

I didn't categorize Troy as a 3 point shooter. I said teams will let both Troy and Yogi shoot threes all day since they love to penetrate. Troy has worked on his 3 hard this offseason for good reason; would you agree he's going to shoot more of them this season? Would you also agree that opposing teams will let him shot these all day long to defend his great penetrating skills?

[schoosier 3,524]

HMP won't be solely responsible for replacing Vonleh's impact on the stat sheet we have greatly improved guard play and 3 pt shooting. It's the same as every year, some people leave and there are others to step up and replace them. I don't know what you think I'm conveniently leaving out? If anything, Crean's fast paced offense that favors guards will work well for this roster.
Are you looking at this roster and looking at last years stats and trying to determine how we can achieve at the same level as last year? I don't understand your point.
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Yes, all great programs and their coaches look at what they lost from the past year while trying strategize offenses and defenses in the coming year. Kinda like losing all of our great shooters from two years ago. A great program and coach would realize we needed a great shooter to take Hulls and Roths place instead of letting someone like Creek transfer to George Washington. Instead, we struggled with the 3 ball. Opposing teams packed it inside to defend against the drive and Vonleh underneath. The result is missing every post season tournament. Carrying PJ for 2 non existent years then letting him transfer when we also have no inside depth is another head scratching decision. But you see I didn't call him names or make fun of Crean. Just his personnel decisions again.

[Trish 11,866]

We may be small.. but we have potential to make some noise.. Let's discuss some things that must happen in order to go dancing.

 

Yogi - Little yogi must continue his play from last year. He had some great games and a couple.. well you know, not so great. We need him to act like our senior leader (i know he's not a senior)

 

Troy - Troy showed some promise towards the end of last season. Let's hope he developed a little bit more and provides some points. If he can play some D-fense and provide 10ppg, then i'm happy

 

Stan - Stands another man who showed some light towards the end of the year as well.. once again, if we can get some points from him, we'll be looking okay..

 

James - IMO. he's our MVP. Yes he is a freshman at college.. but this kid can ball. He can do it all. He's a five star guard for a reason. I honestly don't see him sticking around after this year, assuming he has a great year. If he can lead us in scoring like i think he will, then we'll make some noise in the B1G

 

HANNER - THIS IS OUR MYSTERY BOY. Oh hanner... he's got the speed, size, and the athletic ability to be in the NBA. His skill set is yet to be completly seen, but he did have a couple good games where he displayed his ability to provide defense and shoot the rock. If he can stay out of foul trouble and put the ball in the hoop... then we're talking. 

 

Yogi + james + Hanner. We need those three to be consistent all year and i believe we'll be dancing..

[JuwantGrimeShakes? 533]

Yes, all great programs and their coaches look at what they lost from the past year while trying strategize offenses and defenses in the coming year. Kinda like losing all of our great shooters from two years ago. A great program and coach would realize we needed a great shooter to take Hulls and Roths place instead of letting someone like Creek transfer to George Washington. Instead, we struggled with the 3 ball. Opposing teams packed it inside to defend against the drive and Vonleh underneath. The result is missing every post season tournament. Carrying PJ for 2 non existent years then letting him transfer when we also have no inside depth is another head scratching decision. But you see I didn't call him names or make fun of Crean. Just his personnel decisions again.

You think we'd be better off playing Jurkin on the inside? You honestly can't figure out why we'd let a guy who was too injured to play for two years slip away?

[Walking Boot of Doom 18,170]

Yes, all great programs and their coaches look at what they lost from the past year while trying strategize offenses and defenses in the coming year. Kinda like losing all of our great shooters from two years ago. A great program and coach would realize we needed a great shooter to take Hulls and Roths place instead of letting someone like Creek transfer to George Washington. Instead, we struggled with the 3 ball. Opposing teams packed it inside to defend against the drive and Vonleh underneath. The result is missing every post season tournament. Carrying PJ for 2 non existent years then letting him transfer when we also have no inside depth is another head scratching decision. But you see I didn't call him names or make fun of Crean. Just his personnel decisions again.

Crean's personal decisions for PJ to have chronic injuries and transfer to a school he can actually compete at? Do you think Crean told Creek to transfer? You're getting into a completely different argument.


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[Chips&Dipo 1,464]

I didn't categorize Troy as a 3 point shooter. I said teams will let both Troy and Yogi shoot threes all day since they love to penetrate. Troy has worked on his 3 hard this offseason for good reason; would you agree he's going to shoot more of them this season? Would you also agree that opposing teams will let him shot these all day long to defend his great penetrating skills?

I see what you are saying now. I thought you said that they would belly up to all three players.

 

But then I would question if you think teams are really going to sag of Yogi, who shot 40% from the three point line last year. 

[schoosier 3,524]

You think we'd be better off playing Jurkin on the inside? You honestly can't figure out why we'd let a guy who was too injured to play for two years slip away?

He was injured all of his Senior year in high school also. By your argument we should not have honored his scholly then. If he stays another year he probably graduates which helps the teams %, if he can contribute 10 min a game he's still 7' tall and can rebound and block shots, if he stays injured he won't contribute much like 2 freshmen that I think won't anyway. The bonus is your not running anyone off next years team that would be sophmores, and by graduating you have the built in Roth excuse although Roth had redshirt year. If he does contribute a little your not oversigning +2 which looks like a good possibilty now and by my understanding not allowed in the B1G.

[schoosier 3,524]

Crean's personal decisions for PJ to have chronic injuries and transfer to a school he can actually compete at? Do you think Crean told Creek to transfer? You're getting into a completely different argument.
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Everytime we discuss any issue I am either twisting your words or its a completely different argument. That's a easy way of saying anything or any idea that is different from yours has no validity. Creans personal decisions for PJ or any of his other players including Creek are open discussion.considering we will be oversigned by 1 plus still recruiting. Whether its for playing time, to be by his baby, or not even addressing it doesn't mean its off limits unless you decide otherwise.

[schoosier 3,524]

I see what you are saying now. I thought you said that they would belly up to all three players.
 
But then I would question if you think teams are really going to sag of Yogi, who shot 40% from the three point line last year.

I believe they will sag off Yogi to get him to be shoot first oriented which is not in our best team's interest. If he passed first he becomes the true weapon and utilizes all of our weapons getting the team involved. He is at his best and the teams best if he is a true point facilitating our offense and getting others involved. Just my opinioin of course.

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I believe they will sag off Yogi to get him to be shoot first oriented which is not in our best team's interest. If he passed first he becomes the true weapon and utilizes all of our weapons getting the team involved. He is at his best and the teams best if he is a true point facilitating our offense and getting others involved. Just my opinioin of course.

I don't think it would be wise to back off of Yogi Ferrell. IU will have to mix it up so that those kinds of adjustments don't happen; I would expect to see a three headed monster at the 1 with Ferrell-Blackmon-Johnson.

[Walking Boot of Doom 18,170]

Everytime we discuss any issue I am either twisting your words or its a completely different argument. That's a easy way of saying anything or any idea that is different from yours has no validity. Creans personal decisions for PJ or any of his other players including Creek are open discussion.considering we will be oversigned by 1 plus still recruiting. Whether its for playing time, to be by his baby, or not even addressing it doesn't mean its off limits unless you decide otherwise.

I truly do not understand what you are trying to say.


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[JuwantGrimeShakes? 533]

He was injured all of his Senior year in high school also. By your argument we should not have honored his scholly then. If he stays another year he probably graduates which helps the teams %, if he can contribute 10 min a game he's still 7' tall and can rebound and block shots, if he stays injured he won't contribute much like 2 freshmen that I think won't anyway. The bonus is your not running anyone off next years team that would be sophmores, and by graduating you have the built in Roth excuse although Roth had redshirt year. If he does contribute a little your not oversigning +2 which looks like a good possibilty now and by my understanding not allowed in the B1G.

When did I say that we shouldn't honor his scholarship? Or anything even close to that? I asked if you thought Jurkin could contribute and if he was really the guy you wanted to be upset transferred. You wrote your post like he was the missing link in this year's team rather than another guy on the bench.

Was he forced out? Did we "run him off"? I doubt it. There isn't even any motivation to do so, like you said if you let him ride the bench another year it boosts our numbers and since we weren't oversigned his scholarship being taken up didn't matter. He was never going to get a minute of playing time. It's crazy to me that you think he could contribute 10 minutes a game, what you think they saw him not being super injured sometimes and just decided they preferred not to play him for even a minute? If he could contribute 10 minutes a game he wouldn't have to go somewhere else for PT. Especially since it's not clear he'll be healthy enough to play there either. 

He wouldn't contribute, but you're right, he would have prevented the signing of Holt and would have a legit scholarship spot ready to open up next year.

But again, my initial questions were in response to you saying "Carrying PJ for 2 non existent years then letting him transfer when we also have no inside depth is another head scratching decision." I asked "You think we'd be better off playing Jurkin on the inside? You honestly can't figure out why we'd let a guy who was too injured to play for two years slip away?"

 

Do you think we'd be better off playing Jurkin instead of one of our other bigs? Are you really scratching your head at why Crean would let Jurkin transfer?

[rebelhoosier848891 9,588]

Like your analysis JTreesh.....I think our guards live up to their billing in a 3 guard lineup and our frontcourt will be solid with Hanner-DD--and Holt sharing time at the 4 and 5 positions with Troy getting most of the minutes at the 4. Can't predict on April yet.

 

We have a lot of talent---and we will surprise the pundits.

 

We are going dancing!

[GloryDays 5,941]

Like your analysis JTreesh.....I think our guards live up to their billing in a 3 guard lineup and our frontcourt will be solid with Hanner-DD--and Holt sharing time at the 4 and 5 positions with Troy getting most of the minutes at the 4. Can't predict on April yet.

 

We have a lot of talent---and we will surprise the pundits.

 

We are going dancing!

  i agree!

Devin Davis was really coming on at the end of the year and reports are he has packed on 15 lb's of muscle mass.

I think between Him and Hanner with a little Holt thrown in we'lll be fine.And you never know April may suprise us all and come out of the boot ready to prove naysayers wrong.I know I would if I read some of the crap spewed here. I say give the kid a chance before we write him off.

[rebelhoosier848891 9,588]

Agree Woodson-- am ready for some BBall--wish we were ready to tip it off now!

 

I think am looking forward to this year even more than usual because it's going to be fun watching this team run and score in so many different ways!