Can Indiana be a consistent winner under Coach Crean?

[Hoosier Cowboy 33]

Here's a nice summary of my feelings about these coach rankings:"Supposedly, credentials don't matter.It's all about the present.And yet multiple coaches who haven't accomplished anything notable in years and are hardly on an upward trajectory are ranked ahead of other coaches who currently run nationally relevant programs and/or have careers undeniably on the rise, and I was tempted to do what amounts to an offseason Poll Attacks but decided against it because I wouldn't even know whom to attack. That's because the ESPN rankings are the result of a survey taken by nearly 100 staffers, which means it's impossible to tie any questionable ranking to any one person ... although my guess, from past experiences, is that my pal Jeff Goodman is almost certainly responsible for the majority of the silliness."I don't believe Crean is an elite coach, but I do believe in him here at IU. The 24 coaches named in that draft are either locks for the Hall of Fame, or have been the hot new thing in the last couple years. Crean is not one of those. Sent from my place of advanced, analytical thinking: the toilet.

Those quotes you posted are about the ESPN rankings he was referring to. This list that he compiled is a new CBS ranking from more informed and reliable people.

[Walking Boot of Doom 18,170]

[quote name="Hoosier Cowboy" post="71818" timestamp="1403733429"]Those quotes you posted are about the ESPN rankings he was referring to. This list that he compiled is a new CBS ranking from more informed and reliable people.[/quote] I was in the midst of revising my post. My app keeps crashing though

[Hovadipo 54,948]

[quote name="BubbleKnuts" post="71787" timestamp="1403726856"]Look, BubbleKnuts isn't our coach anymore. Hasn't been for 14 years. We probably should realize that. It's going to be rough trying to find someone as consistent a winner, year after year. I believe Crean can do it, but from what I've seen in the past, something really need to change.


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I didn't get your username until this post...whoops lol.


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[harderhoosier5 37]

[quote name="welder332" post="71622" timestamp="1403656892"]I can not believe that this question was even asked on here. They didn't like him at Marquett [or how ever you spell that school], in fact i have read where there was some of their fans who couldn't even believe he was hired at Indiana. It will be a bad season every year CTC is at Indiana so just get use to it.[/quote]
I bet nobody was saying this when we beat Kentucky... Or when we were ranked number 1 or top 5 the whole year.. Or when we won an outright big ten championship one bad year suddenly creams a terrible coach took us from worst to first in four years then had a down year after losing 4 starters


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[Hoosier Cowboy 33]

I bet nobody was saying this when we beat Kentucky... Or when we were ranked number 1 or top 5 the whole year.. Or when we won an outright big ten championship one bad year suddenly creams a terrible coach took us from worst to first in four years then had a down year after losing 4 starters


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Not one bad year. 4 out of six years saw no postseason play. Next season isnt looking so hot either (predicted 9th) . The last 4 weeks of the 2012 season was pretty bad too.

[harderhoosier5 37]

Not one coach would have made the postseason in his first 3 years. Kyle taber was his only players for Christ sake


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[harderhoosier5 37]

[quote name="Hoosier Cowboy" post="71854" timestamp="1403749291"]Not one bad year. 4 out of six years saw no postseason play. Next season isnt looking so hot either (predicted 9th) . The last 4 weeks of the 2012 season was pretty bad too.[/quote]


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[drewheck 749]

Two 20+ win seasons back to back then losing roughly 80% of the scoring and winning 17 games doesn't mean we win on a regular basis? Look what crean came into and where he has taken it we are on the rise and we will get better. Sent from my XT1050 using BtownBanners mobile app

[Dalton26 16,892]

[quote name="Willfesler11" post="71806" timestamp="1403731007"]If it doesn't mean anything what the point of having it?


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How does it mean anything? Being ranked #1 during the season won't get you a banner. It's meaningless.


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[JSHoosier 19,811]

How does it mean anything? Being ranked #1 during the season won't get you a banner. It's meaningless.


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It's something nice to look at, but yeah it's ultimately nothing.  It's kind of like a shiny hood ornament.

[The Ola Depot 1,213]

[quote name="dalton26" post="71873" timestamp="1403760494"]How does it mean anything? Being ranked #1 during the season won't get you a banner. It's meaningless.


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I'm not saying it's nearly as good as a championship but they wouldn't have it if it meant nothing.


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[RBB89 3,497]

I can not believe that this question was even asked on here. They didn't like him at Marquett [or how ever you spell that school], in fact i have read where there was some of their fans who couldn't even believe he was hired at Indiana. It will be a bad season every year CTC is at Indiana so just get use to it.

 

 

Yep. This is exactly how seriously I'm taking your response. And I vote that IU fans can no longer proclaim themselves "the smartest fans in basketball."

[TrueHoosier62 1,592]

In my opinion, #1 rankings, Big Ten Championships, Big Ten tournament trophies and the hype they create, are for perennial IU wannabees like Purdue and Illinois.

 

They're nothing more than baubles, made for the less fortunate; mere crumbs for the poor.

[nick242 12]

[quote name="Hoosier Cowboy" post="71854" timestamp="1403749291"]Not one bad year. 4 out of six years saw no postseason play. Next season isnt looking so hot either (predicted 9th) . The last 4 weeks of the 2012 season was pretty bad too.[/quote] tell me again how any coach could win with the roster ctc came in to


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[Walking Boot of Doom 18,170]

[quote name="TrueHoosier62" post="71897" timestamp="1403791299"]In my opinion, #1 rankings, Big Ten Championships, Big Ten tournament trophies and the hype they create, are for perennial IU wannabees like Purdue and Illinois. They're nothing more than baubles, made for the less fortunate; mere crumbs for the poor.[/quote] My point is that IU has been a wannabe since after the 2002 Finals appearance. This isn't just a Crean issue. When you lose one of the top three all time winningest coaches who is in the argument for top five coaches to ever coach college basketball, things are going to change in a big way. IU's transition was not smooth and had trouble finding the right coach to fill the role. Crean isn't ever going to be a Hall of Fame coach, but with a little more time, he can get us back into the national discussion. Since the 2002 season, we've gone to the tournament six times, twice with Crean. We hadn't gotten back to the Sweet Sixteen until 2012 and 2013 with Crean, and hadn't won the B1G until 2013. This span also included a losing season and a season where we went 15-14. Then tack on the NCAA violations and you're looking at a program that has struggled to win, has had 4 head coaches in 8 years, and was just wrecked by violations. I don't think Crean will get us back to "the top" in the way Hoosier fans will want, but I believe he has this program headed the right direction. Sent from my place of advanced, analytical thinking: the toilet.

[Dalton26 16,892]

[quote name="Willfesler11" post="71885" timestamp="1403787711"]I'm not saying it's nearly as good as a championship but they wouldn't have it if it meant nothing.


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The NCAA has a lot of things that mean nothing.


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[The Ola Depot 1,213]

[quote name="dalton26" post="71905" timestamp="1403793528"]The NCAA has a lot of things that mean nothing.


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If that isn't the top to you then how about being the best team in the toughest conference in the country?


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[CampHoosier 3,697]

Hey guys how's the forum goi....I'll see you in a few months

[Hutch89 2,939]

After all the craziness that happened after Knight left, we can't just expect to be winning national titles again.  I'm pretty happy with how Crean has moved us back into tournament territory. although last year was really rough, i'm happy to have Crean in there for now doing what he's done.  I mean, if you think about it, we are much further along now to where we want to be than where we were when Crean first took the job. Progress.   A lot is riding on this next season.  If our program can be consistent (minus the blip of last year) in making tournaments, then we can become more and more relevant, thus getting better recruits and so on. 

Yeah, i'm in a serious hurry to get another title and make deep runs in the tournament, but it doesn't really work that way.  You have to work towards it and take steps to make it there and sometimes the patience it takes is too much to handle.  I think we are moving in a very positive direction and having a good season for 2014-15 will be crucial in us getting to where we want to be.  

We have the best fans in the country. let's rally behind our team AND OUR COACH this year in full force and will ourselves into winning some close games and tough match-ups.  confidence is important in basketball and our guys need to feel like they are invincible on the court. We as fans play a major role in that.

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[JSHoosier 19,811]

I'm not saying it's nearly as good as a championship but they wouldn't have it if it meant nothing.


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That's not true, at all.  Some cars have shiny hood ornaments, but those are nothing more than decoration that's pretty to look at.  That's all a #1 ranking is, a shiny hood ornaments, pretty decoration to look at that means absolutely nothing.