2014/2015 Outlook

[Gahoosierfan 272]

With the loss of Vonleh and the other players IU is facing another really sub par year. I think they will most likely have a losing record. That would give TC 3 losing seasons out of 5. I think Glass will have to seriously consider his future toward the end of next season. Great coaches don't have this kind of track record. I know he came into the worst situation possible, but these are all his players now. IU should be a top 20 program every year, not a bottom dweller which is what we see. I had reservations about TC when he was hired and I guess I was right. There isn't a light at the end of the tunnel.

[joec6108 1]

Was talking to a buddy yesterday, imagine if Hanner / JH turned out to be what was hyped.  They should officially change it from #TheMovement to #TheBowelMovement

[IU Hoosier41 14,465]

I'd refer you over to this post about the impact of the transfers leaving: [url="https://btownbanners.com/index.php?/topic/4944-Indiana-Transfers-Impact-This-Season"]https://btownbanners.com/index.php?/topic/4944-Indiana-Transfers-Impact-This-Season[/url] I'd also recommend reading this article by Will Logan about next season & lineups: https://btownbanners.com/index.php?/topic/4946-Yogi's-Mom-Knows... Things aren't as bad as they seem. We are giving those minutes to better players in my opinion. Is guess (if we land Lee, we'd be top 5 in conference and around A 5-6 seed in tourney. Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners

[SilverAtlanta 69]

Oh Man! Do I have to look? Can't I just be surprised when they do well?....

[CampHoosier 3,697]

I'd say if we add Cunningham and Lee, we are going to be ok. Two guys who can make an immediate impact. I don't think until we see the rosters and see the team play we can call this next season a "losing season." If we whiff on additonal recruits and don't get solid players to come walk on, I'd be more worried. But it's WAY too early to speculate considering we have like 8 guys on the current roster. We will be a completely different team. A team that none of us knows yet. 

[GnarlyTimGarl 1,425]

Too early to tell.

 

We could be better. Adding Anthony Lee from Temple would be a great stop-gap. Maybe another post-graduate with experience. Perhaps Josh Cunningham could be a Will Yeguette type of player?

 

Personally, I'd be very content if we added Lee, Cunningham or another post and Harris from West Virginia. it gives us help this next year while also giving us help later on.

 

But Yogi, Stan, Troy, Devin and Hanner have to improve. The lack of improvement from our sophomores this past year really hurt us because we needed them to step up. If the guys don't improve significantly, we may see more of the same.

[CampHoosier 3,697]

I'm hopeful for Stan and Troy but Devin Davis has a real shot to impress us the most. We know Troy and Stan have tremendous athletic ability and can get points, but Davis has the size to become a real threat to defenses in the BIG

[GnarlyTimGarl 1,425]

I'm hopeful for Stan and Troy but Devin Davis has a real shot to impress us the most. We know Troy and Stan have tremendous athletic ability and can get points, but Davis has the size to become a real threat to defenses in the BIG

 

Agreed. However, I hope he's put in a position that really utilizes his strengths. I honestly believe he could be a factor at the "4" because of his toughness and ability to mix it up in the paint, but his lack of shooting and ball-handling makes me wonder if Coach would put him there for long. I'm just afraid he may be forced into the "5" and he'll struggle because of his height.

 

But the kid is a junkyard dawg and I'm glad it looks like he plans on staying here.

[Feaskb01 130]

One of my main issues with CTC this year was his "allotted minutes" that he seemed to have. I coached 4th and 5th grade bball at lighthouse Christian in bloomington while I was at IU. 17 players and we had to play them all, but this is 4th and 5th grade. At the highest level of college bball, the players that EARN minutes, deserve the minutes. With all of these transfers (mostly of players that didn't really bring much on the court), the players who we want on the court, are going to be on the court much more now. This is my absolute "glass half full" perception of these departures.

[Bryan Medema 1,488]

One of my main issues with CTC this year was his "allotted minutes" that he seemed to have. I coached 4th and 5th grade bball at lighthouse Christian in bloomington while I was at IU. 17 players and we had to play them all, but this is 4th and 5th grade. At the highest level of college bball, the players that EARN minutes, deserve the minutes. With all of these transfers (mostly of players that didn't really bring much on the court), the players who we want on the court, are going to be on the court much more now. This is my absolute "glass half full" perception of these departures.

Couldn't agree more. One of our biggest issue was that we seemed to give guys minutes for the sake of giving them minutes; not because they could produce or because of the current in-game scenario. The transfer post pointed out that Marlin played "clutch" minutes. I agree that the transfers might help if only open up playing time and ensure that the right players are on the court at the right time.

[8bucks 6,341]

[quote name="CampCrean" post="53336" timestamp="1395767242"]I'd say if we add Cunningham and Lee, we are going to be ok. Two guys who can make an immediate impact. I don't think until we see the rosters and see the team play we can call this next season a "losing season." If we whiff on additonal recruits and don't get solid players to come walk on, I'd be more worried. But it's WAY too early to speculate considering we have like 8 guys on the current roster. We will be a completely different team. A team that none of us knows yet. [/quote]

What makes you think Cunningham will have an immediate impact? Would you define that like the impact Troy and Stan had or even more of an impact?





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[Bryan Medema 1,488]

What makes you think Cunningham will have an immediate impact? Would you define that like the impact Troy and Stan had or even more of an impact?





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Given how the likely composition of our roster next year (guard heavy, short on big-men) will have a significant impact on our ability to rebound the basketball, Cunningham's numbers combined with our need seem to indicate the potential to be a medium impact player. Further, his box scores indicate he can be a proverbial "State sheet stuffer"- A do everything type in the mold of Sheehey.

[JSHoosier 19,811]

What makes you think Cunningham will have an immediate impact? Would you define that like the impact Troy and Stan had or even more of an impact?





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People get excited over seeing a player jump on a highlight tape (which can make anyone look good) and forget that the vast majority of freshman don't contribute much.

[ElectricBoogaloo 4,307]

People get excited over seeing a player jump on a highlight tape (which can make anyone look good) and forget that the vast majority of freshman don't contribute much.

 

This is true, but I don't think fans expect any of these guys (except maybe Lee) to come in and replace Noah. They expect them to replace (or hopefully improve upon) what we saw from Jeremy and Austin last year. Neither shot the ball particularly well. Jeremy especially was prone to turnovers. The bar isn't all that high.

[JSHoosier 19,811]

This is true, but I don't think fans expect any of these guys (except maybe Lee) to come in and replace Noah. They expect them to replace (or hopefully improve upon) what we saw from Jeremy and Austin last year. Neither shot the ball particularly well. Jeremy especially was prone to turnovers. The bar isn't all that high.

We don't know what Jeremy or Austin would've done with another summer to work on their game here, don't forget Landon Turner didn't "get it" until halfway through his junior year.

 

The only player we're recruiting that would step in right away and be a big help is Lee, and he could very well end up at Iowa State.

[Hovadipo 54,948]

[quote name="JSHoosier" post="53911" timestamp="1395853132"]We don't know what Jeremy or Austin would've done with another summer to work on their game here, don't forget Landon Turner didn't "get it" until halfway through his junior year.

The only player we're recruiting that would step in right away and be a big help is Lee, and he could very well end up at Iowa State.[/quote]

Lee wants to keep wearing his signature headband. We can't offer that. NOT. GOOD.


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[scots07 161]

I think what is bugging everybody is the uncertainty of next year. Too many if's.

[Rayl 527]

Can we wait to see who is all on the team next season and how much the current guys have improved over the summer before we declare that the team will be awful or that the team will be great?

[TheStillman 991]

[quote name="Bryan Medema" post="53371" timestamp="1395769922"]Couldn't agree more. One of our biggest issue was that we seemed to give guys minutes for the sake of giving them minutes; not because they could produce or because of the current in-game scenario. The transfer post pointed out that Marlin played "clutch" minutes. I agree that the transfers might help if only open up playing time and ensure that the right players are on the court at the right time.[/quote] I think this will change a bit next year. In 2011-12 IU had a much shorter bench, playing 7-8 a game. Crean had an awful feel for this team and he never got it the entire year. I certainly wasn't in practice but from what we saw in game action I imagine day to day there was a ton of inconsistency in practice making the subbing patterns even tougher to figure out for the staff. Not an excuse because it's on them to figure it out regardless. Then again inconsistency is a reflection of the coaches which is IMO one of reasons people struggle to figure out Crean. He can win big games and do it with very good game plans and pushing the right buttons throughout the game (Michigan 2014, @Michigan 2013 final 2 minutes, @MSU 2013, MSU at home 2012). I'll even give him some credit in a loss to Kentucky in sweet 16 (the man to man 4 on 5 defense worked well to rush Kentucky's offense making it into an up and down game. Still think if Vic doesn't foul out we win that game. One of his best games as a Hoosier). The same can be said about Crean preparing poorly for a game and obviously those have been discussed ad nauseum here Crean is just so inconsistent year to year and game to game and that is his biggest issue over in game coaching. Sent from my iPad using BtownBanners

[Bryan Medema 1,488]

I think this will change a bit next year. In 2011-12 IU had a much shorter bench, playing 7-8 a game. Crean had an awful feel for this team and he never got it the entire year. I certainly wasn't in practice but from what we saw in game action I imagine day to day there was a ton of inconsistency in practice making the subbing patterns even tougher to figure out for the staff. Not an excuse because it's on them to figure it out regardless. Then again inconsistency is a reflection of the coaches which is IMO one of reasons people struggle to figure out Crean. He can win big games and do it with very good game plans and pushing the right buttons throughout the game (Michigan 2014, @Michigan 2013 final 2 minutes, @MSU 2013, MSU at home 2012). I'll even give him some credit in a loss to Kentucky in sweet 16 (the man to man 4 on 5 defense worked well to rush Kentucky's offense making it into an up and down game. Still think if Vic doesn't foul out we win that game. One of his best games as a Hoosier). The same can be said about Crean preparing poorly for a game and obviously those have been discussed ad nauseum here Crean is just so inconsistent year to year and game to game and that is his biggest issue over in game coaching. Sent from my iPad using BtownBanners

 

That's a tough pill to swallow but a pretty accurate assessment. I guess the next quesion is who SHOULD realistically see signficant playing time next year? I know that the status of Anthony Lee has a major impact on this, but any solid hypotheticals on how deep this team should run?