(2014) I'll tell you how I see it, you tell me how you see it.

[hoosierpap 14,300]

It's been quite a whirlwind of a class and it has certainly had its drama, and it will continue, to some extent. 

 

Marvin Clark / Josh Cunningham: Interesting situation brewing here. Michigan St, Indiana, and Iowa St. are involved in both recruitments, and seem to be in solid position. Iowa St. seems to have fallen out of favor with both. I would say the most likely scenario is a split between Michigan St, and Indiana. IU is in a better position than anyone with Cunningham, and Blackmon is helping in that regard. Heard that MSU may have eased off Cunningham and put their focus on Clark, which made an impact on our position with Cunningham.

Clark was considered a Michigan St lean really since they became involved. Nairn, his teammate, is there and his coach seems to be giving him the nudge to join. Things were sorta confirmed when he switched his IU visit last Sunday to a Michigan St. visit on Saturday. Read somewhere where he even said after the MSU visit that he was ready for MSU to be his last visit but IU wasn't going to let that happen. Something to that effect. Logic would imply that after IU got him on campus on Wednesday, it gave him something more to think about as he cancelled his scheduled announcement for today.

 

I still feel as though Clark will go to MSU and Cunningham will join the Hoosiers.

 

 

Cunningham: A bit undersized at 6'6-6'7 and, seems to be, a true 4. JC seems to play incredibly hard. Capable, but not a shooter. The better defender, rebounder, and more athletic than Clark. 

 

Clark: A better shooter, by all accounts. Good rebounder. Versatile, IU is telling him he can play the 2,3, and 4 which is attractive to him. 

 

Both have faced pretty good competition and had a great deal of success. Not sure I'd follow the ranking on either of these guys but, also, would not expect them to be IU's immediate frontcourt solution.

 

Ruben Guererro: A bit taller, but pretty lean. Believe he plays a bit away from the basket. Solid prospect, seems to have loads of potential. It could work out, it could not. Not sure how serious his recruitment is right now as he seems to be focusing on his season. He and Marvin Clark play at Sunrise and are competing to make an ESPN HS invitational of some kind. I'm confident CCG will keep us updated there. 

 

Jackson Davis: Really coming on and may have been all season. Verbally committed to Rice, held out on signing in November, and recently decommited. Davis' recruitment is just heating up, so getting an accurate read on where he stands is probably pre-mature. I hear IU wants to evaluate, and were supposed to at least at one point, yesterday. IU have not begun "actively" recruiting. Seems IU did not make the trip to see Davis play last night, but Little Pitino, Mark Fox, Mike Brey, Rick Ray, and assistants from Alabama, UL, and BC did. Don't know too much about his game, but seems to be on the rise. 

 

 

 

Not sure IU is still recruiting Atwood, the JUCO. I see IU bringing in Cunningham and expect them to seek a 5th year transfer. As I stated above, I don't expect any of these prospects above to be the immediate clog in the hole Noah will, with all likely hood, leave. That is not to say they will not be a welcomed addition and provide a role next year. Should be an interesting spring as we look for a 5th year transfer, and turn up the heat on a top '15 big man. 

 

I've linked their profiles so you can see what CCG's been putting together on them, if you haven't already. What are you guys hearing/thinking regarding these prospects and this class?

[KingPG21 6,582]

Is there any potential for Cunnigham to grow anymore? Maybe an inch or two, would be nice to to get him somewhere from 6'8-6'9" range would be really nice. Even more so if he translates to being more of a natural 4 in college. 

[ElectricBoogaloo 4,307]

Thanks for the breakdown pap. Really good info here.

[WayneFleekHoosier 47,923]

Good overall summary. I agree, we will get one of Clark/Cunningham. I think we take a 5th in the class too. Not too sure who that will be. I think Perea can log 25 minutes next year at the 5, but then what? What are we going to do with our 3 headed clone Hoetzel/Etherington/Hartman? I am partially kidding because I realize they are different players, but very very similar. I just don't get it.

[Str8Hoosiers 2,965]

I don't necessarily follow recruiting as much as some of you but aren't we maxed out on scholarships for the next 2 years? How are we still recruiting? (I know we need another big man but how do we make this work?)

 

Please correct me if I am wrong but:

Doesn't each team have 13 available scholarships?

We currently have 12 scholarship players - Losing 1 (Will), gaining 3 (Hoetzel, RoJo, JB Jr) that already puts us 1 over? I know we may lose Noah or somebody else will transfer or be forced out/off scholly to make the numbers work, but another on top of that?

 

We have no Juniors this year so that means we will not have any scholarships available the next year either without more deflections (NBA, Transfer, etc)

[OliviaPope40 6,426]

We were in the same issue had Cody not declared which I don't why you wouldn't but we would have been over the scholarship limit and here we are again with this very same issue.

[Hovadipo 54,963]

[quote name="Str8Hoosiers" post="45693" timestamp="1394312199"]I don't necessarily follow recruiting as much as some of you but aren't we maxed out on scholarships for the next 2 years? How are we still recruiting? (I know we need another big man but how do we make this work?)

Please correct me if I am wrong but:
Doesn't each team have 13 available scholarships?
We currently have 12 scholarship players - Losing 1 (Will), gaining 3 (Hoetzel, RoJo, JB Jr) that already puts us 1 over? I know we may lose Noah or somebody else will transfer or be forced out/off scholly to make the numbers work, but another on top of that?

We have no Juniors this year so that means we will not have any scholarships available the next year either without more deflections (NBA, Transfer, etc)[/quote]

Gordon is on scholarship I believe and is Howard still walk-on or did he get one? I'm not sure. Crean always oversigns, and it always works, so I trust him.


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[hoosierpap 14,300]

[quote name="Str8Hoosiers" post="45693" timestamp="1394312199"]I don't necessarily follow recruiting as much as some of you but aren't we maxed out on scholarships for the next 2 years? How are we still recruiting? (I know we need another big man but how do we make this work?)

Please correct me if I am wrong but:
Doesn't each team have 13 available scholarships?
We currently have 12 scholarship players - Losing 1 (Will), gaining 3 (Hoetzel, RoJo, JB Jr) that already puts us 1 over? I know we may lose Noah or somebody else will transfer or be forced out/off scholly to make the numbers work, but another on top of that?

We have no Juniors this year so that means we will not have any scholarships available the next year either without more deflections (NBA, Transfer, etc)[/quote]

Gordon, Sheehey, Fischer are officially open after the season. I wouldn't particularly focus on the numbers. I know that sounds odd but I would expect some of the transfer/medical hardship rumors to come to fruition. Don't want to speculate on who and why in this thread.


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[OliviaPope40 6,426]

Gordon is on scholarship I believe and is Howard still walk-on or did he get one? I'm not sure. Crean always oversigns, and it always works, so I trust him.


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Howard is a walk-on along with Taylor Wayer that never changed and I'm not sure about Evan.

[Hovadipo 54,963]

[quote name="OliviaPope40" post="45701" timestamp="1394313774"]Howard is a walk-on along with Taylor Wayer that never changed and I'm not sure about Evan.[/quote]

Yeah I knew Howard walked on, just never knew if he earned a scholarship or not. Pretty sure Evan is on one.


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[OliviaPope40 6,426]

Fischer can't play until December. 

[Hwy 1 2,053]

Fischer can't play until December. 

 

 

He's talking about available scholarships for next year. We'll have 3 right now, more if there are players leave. 

[OliviaPope40 6,426]

He's talking about available scholarships for next year. We'll have 3 right now, more if there are players leave. 

I misread that my bad.

[Hwy 1 2,053]

poop happens, no biggie 

[djsalway 4,161]

I think, based on the video I've seen and profiles I've studied, that Cunningham will have the biggest impact of those players during his freshman season. Hope we land him, but really we could use any number of them.

[mdn82 25,510]

We need 2 bigs that can play quality minutes.  With or without Noah, that will be a struggle.  We have Hanner, but at most he is a 15 min guy unless he blows up in the gym.  

[JSHoosier 19,811]

We need 2 bigs that can play quality minutes.  With or without Noah, that will be a struggle.  We have Hanner, but at most he is a 15 min guy unless he blows up in the gym.  

Honestly, I'd be going after bigs only.  I think we're fine at wings even if there's a transfer, but we'll be hurting for big depth with Noah and up the creek without him.

[Feathery 4,005]

I don't see any bigs out there that you would want to give a roster spot out to for 4 years. I think Crean will look at the 5th yr transfer options bc he knows we have the talent to be good next year. That will be the missing link. We may also jump in and take a big from a school that losses their coach.

[Stuhoo 79,586]

Great thread.

To answer the scholly situation, as pap said we have three rides opening up (Will, Evan, and Fischer) and currently have three freshman incoming. I can't imagine that PJ, as nice a kid as he is, ties up as scholly for a third year if he is still incapable of seeing the court.

That gives us one more to fill, likely by Josh C or Marvin C.

If Noah comes back, we may be done right there. If he doesn't, we go get a big in April. There'll be 5th yrs bigs available by then, and with J Davis taking his time, he'll also be an option. If we have a gaping need for a big, it seems to me we'd be an extremely attractive option for J Davis.

[Str8Hoosiers 2,965]

Gordon is on scholarship I believe and is Howard still walk-on or did he get one? I'm not sure. Crean always oversigns, and it always works, so I trust him.


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Yep, forgot about Gordon thanks.... so we are even now but looking to sign more players.... I trust Crean on the recruiting trail I was just curious how it would work out.