Scouting a potential Crean replacement

[HoosierReb01 7,511]

Personally, I think the time to discuss CTC's replacement would be when the position is vacant, which is highly unlikely in the next couple of years. At which time there will be a whole new lineup of potential candidates. Making this whole thread largely moot. 

[mdn82 25,510]

Personally, I think the time to discuss CTC's replacement would be when the position is vacant, which is highly unlikely in the next couple of years. At which time there will be a whole new lineup of potential candidates. Making this whole thread largely moot. 

 

Yep.  It isn't happening overnight.  Its like looking at a recruiting board you have no idea what year in the future the kid is for.  He could be for next year, or 5 years.  I guess its that damned next shiny thing syndrome we always hear about.  Guess it happens for coaches too.  So much will change between now and when Crean gets fired or retires.  I don't claim to know which one will happen first.  The only thing as a fan hope for is if he doesn't live up to expectations of the University continually, then he is let go and replaced with someone better.  He is coming off of a B1G title and back to back Sweet 16s.  Before anyone tells me all we strive for is titles is fooling themselves.  We haven't won a title in over 25 years.  We will win one again.  It may be sometime soon, and it may not be.  But, to act like we are this perennial power is asinine.  We haven't been in over 20 years.  We aren't IU of the 70s/80s.  If any school could snap their fingers and get back to that, they would.  It takes a lot of things.  Coaching is one of the many things.  Do I think Crean is a good enough coach to win a title?  Ultimately, I think he needs the talent.  I think he isn't a good enough coach to improve his players position regularly to gain an advantage.  I do have my doubts about him, and I could see a scenario where he is gone in the next couple of years.  But, what happens when the next coach does not get instant results?  Because, he won't.  IU does not have the name of a Duke, UK, Kansas, or UNC.  You can't plug and play coaches in here and get whoever.  The previous 2 coaches proved that.  You will see some of Crean's recruits, who you guys want someone else to coach, playing for another coach.  Just, not at IU.  

[mark1981 1,340]

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[smitty3725 7]

Why is it okay for all of us to say Hollowell is playing horrible, that Sheehey needs to step up and not only play better but also be a leader. Yet, the moment Crean says we have a 4th year senior who needs to play better He is throwing them under the bus. Sheehey and Yogi both admitted last night that the players got away from the scouting report. I mean we sound like a bunch of hypocrites

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[mark1981 1,340]

[quote name="HoosierReb01" post="38132" timestamp="1392339757"]Personally, I think the time to discuss CTC's replacement would be when the position is vacant, which is highly unlikely in the next couple of years. At which time there will be a whole new lineup of potential candidates. Making this whole thread largely moot. [/quote] Yep, next year we could be pretty good if noah comes back. What if they make a deep tourney run? Does the fire ctc clock reset? I just hope no more contract extensions are made until ctc hangs some meaningful banners in the hall. Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I747 using BtownBanners mobile app

[CR3AMnCR1MS0N 1,867]

Ooooooh! I know. Let's hire Richard pitino! He seems to love taking new jobs so far.

Just kidding... I wouldn't be able to stand looking at him bc he looks so much like his dad.


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[kylehornsbyrules 16]

Personally, I think the time to discuss CTC's replacement would be when the position is vacant, which is highly unlikely in the next couple of years. At which time there will be a whole new lineup of potential candidates. Making this whole thread largely moot.

Everything we do here is moot

[bmur88 0]

Hire Stevens tonite


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[BlueDevil 8,655]

[quote name="bmur88" post="38212" timestamp="1392349285"]Hire Stevens tonite


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Hahaha i see you stomping on that staples easy button homie

[OliviaPope40 6,423]

Hire Stevens tonite


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He's a little busy making 22 million over 6 years.

[Golfman25 4,993]

Face it, Crean isn't going anywhere for a few years based on his contract.  So keep an eye on Chris Collins.  Dozens of years on the Duke bench.  Took a bunch of no-name players and right now has a better Big 10 record than IU.  Ultimately, it won't work out at Northwestern because they won't let him admit the players he needs to win.  

[Hoosier1214 0]

Just because Tom Crean will almost certainly still be head coach next year doesn't mean the topic isn't worth discussing at least.

 

My vote is for Jim Crews. The guy inherited an incredibly tough situation at Saint Louis, stepping in after the death of a beloved coach (Rick Majerus) who turned the program around. He's an IU alum, his team is ranked 12th in the nation right now, and they were a 4-seed in the tourney last year. He's coaching in the A-10 which is consistently one of the best mid-major conferences. Plus Cheaney is his assistant so we could get him back as well. You have to think this thought has crossed Fred Glass's mind at least once.

 

I don't see Stevens pulling a Pitino and coming back to the state unless things really go downhill fast in Boston, especially because he has a 6 year deal and he had multiple chances to leave Butler for other college jobs and didn't. He wants to prove himself in the NBA. Similar deal with Hoiberg... I don't see the Mayor leaving Ames unless he gets an NBA job.

 

Steve Alford? No thanks. I know he's a hero in the Hoosier State and played on the last IU title team, but as a coach, he's Tom Crean with slicker hair. Alford's teams' tourney performances have been brutal; he lost two 3-14 first-round games with two different teams. And lest we forget, his handling of a sexual assault situation while at Iowa was deplorable. And Dakich? Just no.

[IU Hoosier41 14,465]

[quote name="Hwy 1" post="38074" timestamp="1392329437"]Yeah, but I read on here this morning that Crean threw his players under the bus last night for saying they played like ****. Even saw a funny picture of it. Now you're saying Pat had a point when he did it and it worked? Does this mean that maybe CTC was using the same strategy? hmmmmmmmmmm [/quote] Crean's are more subtle jabs in my opinion. Pat went at them hardcore mode. I'd rather have Pats one attack vs Crean's numerous bus tossings Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners

[CR3AMnCR1MS0N 1,867]

[quote name="HoosierReb01" post="38132" timestamp="1392339757"]Personally, I think the time to discuss CTC's replacement would be when the position is vacant, which is highly unlikely in the next couple of years. At which time there will be a whole new lineup of potential candidates. Making this whole thread largely moot. [/quote]

I agree. I just like to think about "what if" scenarios. Some crazy, some not.

One crazy one: What if the Patriots got caught in some crazy scandal where they were forced to fire Bill Belichick and release/trade Tom Brady, then hired some psycho college spread option loving coach who decided to trade half his draft class for Johnny manziel?

Ah my sick twisted brain


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[Hwy 1 2,053]

Crean's are more subtle jabs in my opinion. Pat went at them hardcore mode. I'd rather have Pats one attack vs Crean's numerous bus tossings Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners

 

 

 

Different methods. It's debatable which is more effective or more damaging. I'm not sure I don't like either but sometimes it reaches a point when nothing else is working so you call them out. I read all sorts of arguments about the last five minutes of that game whether it was the coach's fault or the players. I really don't know who's to blame. Don't really care at this point. It just needs to be fixed one way or another. It was horrid play. I doubt either side was totally to blame and I don't think it's going to be an easy fix. It seems to be a deep rooted problem, imo.

 

One thing for sure, the fans are calling it out big time.  

[Andrew_114 105]

Personally I don't think Crean should nor will be fired in the near future, I would venture to say maybe after next year depending on the outcome. However, I like playing the what if games and so I'm here. Everyone is currently mentioning coaches at the college level. What if we went the pro route (and IU alumni) and looked at someone like Mike Woodson or Keith Smart? To be honest I have no idea how good they are. I don't watch NBA so I have no idea how bad of a suggestion this is. But it is working at SMU with Larry Brown, obviously he is/was a good coach though. Just thought I would throw it out there. Feel free to shoot it down. Sent from my BNTV600 using BtownBanners mobile app

[KingPG21 6,582]

Personally I don't think Crean should nor will be fired in the near future, I would venture to say maybe after next year depending on the outcome. However, I like playing the what if games and so I'm here. Everyone is currently mentioning coaches at the college level. What if we went the pro route (and IU alumni) and looked at someone like Mike Woodson or Keith Smart? To be honest I have no idea how good they are. I don't watch NBA so I have no idea how bad of a suggestion this is. But it is working at SMU with Larry Brown, obviously he is/was a good coach though. Just thought I would throw it out there. Feel free to shoot it down. Sent from my BNTV600 using BtownBanners mobile app

Both have been pretty "meh" at the NBA level. Woodson really has only had one "great year", and even then it really wasn't very good, since they only made it to the second round of the playoffs before losing to the Pacers. And when he was with the Hawks they turned it around near the end of his tenure, but they still weren't anything special. Keith Smart, I'd want to watch him coach at a smaller school before we tried him as a coach here, his track record is not good at all. 

 

It has been great for SMU. But neither Woodson or Smart has the reputation that Brown has as a coach. I'd add in that the amount of coaching Brown is doing at SMU is kind of up to debate, and the general feeling is that his assistants probably have as much input with the actual coaching stuff. Recruiting he has done a hell of a job, but again with Woodson and Smart, I doubt they would have the pull of a Larry Brown

[Rayl 527]

It should be noted that Brown has a National Championship on his resume. He's been successful in college before.

[hoosierfan84 296]

Be curious to see how some Hoosier fans would react if they get their wish of an "IU guy" and then that experiment fails too.  Gonna talk about him like you do our current coach too?  I mean, hey... it's that "be careful what you wish for" type thing.  Might be kinda funny to see some people get their wish and then see how they act if that guy doesn't get it done too.  Just saying...  This is all silly talk anyhow, nothing is changing anytime soon anyway.

[HoosierReb01 7,511]

Be curious to see how some Hoosier fans would react if they get their wish of an "IU guy" and then that experiment fails too.  Gonna talk about him like you do our current coach too?  I mean, hey... it's that "be careful what you wish for" type thing.  Might be kinda funny to see some people get their wish and then see how they act if that guy doesn't get it done too.  Just saying...  This is all silly talk anyhow, nothing is changing anytime soon anyway.

Hey, I got about 3 inches of snow and ice outside, its raining now and I'm sitting inside with a cold. All cool with the speculative discussion here! Agree though, I just don't think anything is, or should be changing in the head coaching job at IU at this time. I'm not sure that we have very many here who are wanting a Indiana guy in the job though, as all the posts mentioning possibilities have struck me as negative to the idea, tongue in cheek, or just purely for the sake of discussion. I might be wrong on that.