What are your feelings on Coach Crean?

[IU Hoosier41 14,465]

[quote name="All_Hoosiers" post="33965" timestamp="1391206361"]That's my point. I have a problem with the few that want him fired this instant. He has to miss the tournament next year for me to start really considering it.



I think Cody got out because the weak 2013 draft class was his best shot at a high pick, and he still was a late lottery pick (projected) until Michael Jordan saved the day. How high would he realistically have gone if he stayed and entered the 2014 draft?[/quote]

Maybe higher given how underperforming some of those ALL-STARS have been lol.

[ccgeneral 38,084]

Not gonna lie. Patience are very thin. Whatever the outcome may be, i just hope there isn't an extended stay like in the past if he can't get the job done.

[JSHoosier 20,316]

On the other side of things, Cody went #4 overall in Crean's offense. Noah is going to go pretty damn high as well. Both of those players aren't guys who demand the ball, they let the game come to them and impact the game in every way just by being out there.

One thing Crean's offense definitely doesn't do is out the Bigs in a position to look bad. They get their stats without taking 20 shots a game. NBA Execs might really like seeing that.

Let's be fair, the primary responsible of a big in Crean's offense seems to be set a ball screen and rebound.  If you're a talented big, it's hard to look bad doing that.

[BlueDevil 8,693]

I was listening to don fisher talk to JMV on 1070 the fan about a half an hour ago and fish was saying how crean keeps playing 11+ guys to get them all some experience... Okay I'm fine with doing that but that's what playing schools of the blind are for we shouldn't still be doing this in the middle of the big ten season.

[bronkonagurski 894]

The more I think about it, no matter what strategy Crean tries to employ with this team, the roster is still fundamentally flawed.  There are things about his in-game coaching that I do not like but overall it is the roster doing us in.  We have a bunch of athletes that lack the fundamental skills to succeed as a team right now.  He simply must get back to constructing rosters that make sense.  There needs to be more balance.  His offense (and just about any offense really) requires shooters who can keep the defense honest and spread the floor.  He needs to stop offering scholarships like hotcakes, be more focused in his approach.  That is how I'm growing to feel about things. 

[J_Smiff 304]

The more I think about it, no matter what strategy Crean tries to employ with this team, the roster is still fundamentally flawed.  There are things about his in-game coaching that I do not like but overall it is the roster doing us in.  We have a bunch of athletes that lack the fundamental skills to succeed as a team right now.  He simply must get back to constructing rosters that make sense.  There needs to be more balance.  His offense (and just about any offense really) requires shooters who can keep the defense honest and spread the floor.  He needs to stop offering scholarships like hotcakes, be more focused in his approach.  That is how I'm growing to feel about things. 

This is definitely the main issue here, no doubt about it.  But when we're tied with 5 minutes left in a must win road game and our coach takes away any chance of winning by playing guys that give us nothing while our lottery pick and best scorer (as of late) sit and watch, that is totally unacceptable.  Maybe we never had a shot at the tournament, even if we had pulled one out last night, but CTC put us in a losing situation.  I can't imagine a single other coach in the B1G that would've done that.  I've been a huge CTC supporter since he got here, but he's certainly making me rethink that now.

[mdn82 25,510]

Not gonna lie. Patience are very thin. Whatever the outcome may be, i just hope there isn't an extended stay like in the past if he can't get the job done.

 

Yep.  I don't want him fired this instant, but I have very little patience for the over-coaching of very simplistic situations.  

[mdn82 25,510]

That's my point. I have a problem with the few that want him fired this instant. He has to miss the tournament next year for me to start really considering it.

 

I agree with your sentiment that he shouldn't be fired this instant.  I do disagree that it would take missing the tournament two years in a row to start considering it.  IMO, that is when it should be decided on.  He would have been here 7 years.  If he is missing the tournament consecutive years by that point, he shouldn't be here.  I don't think that happens.  Only chance of that happening is if Noah is not here.  Even then, it is on Crean years of recruiting mainly wings and neglecting PG and bigs that can play by the rim.  

[bronkonagurski 894]

This is definitely the main issue here, no doubt about it.  But when we're tied with 5 minutes left in a must win road game and our coach takes away any chance of winning by playing guys that give us nothing while our lottery pick and best scorer (as of late) sit and watch, that is totally unacceptable.  Maybe we never had a shot at the tournament, even if we had pulled one out last night, but CTC put us in a losing situation.  I can't imagine a single other coach in the B1G that would've done that.  I've been a huge CTC supporter since he got here, but he's certainly making me rethink that now.

 

I'm not going to argue with you on that point.  I guess what I want to know is the WHY part of the equation.  Why did he do that?  Publicly I doubt he will tell us the true reason.  Is he trying to send a message with these bizarre subs?  Is he truly playing these guys for the extra experience towards next season because the current season is a lost cause?  I'm not saying either explanation would be acceptable to me but I'd rather hear a true rationale for it and not have to chalk it up to lunacy or poor on-the-spot judgment.

 

Another thought that comes to mind, is there a fundamental disconnect between the players and Crean right now? 

 

I don't know.  I'm throwing out random questions that I am thinking about. 

[JSHoosier 20,316]

I'm not going to argue with you on that point.  I guess what I want to know is the WHY part of the equation.  Why did he do that?  Publicly I doubt he will tell us the true reason.  Is he trying to send a message with these bizarre subs?  Is he truly playing these guys for the extra experience towards next season because the current season is a lost cause?  I'm not saying either explanation would be acceptable to me but I'd rather hear a true rationale for it and not have to chalk it up to lunacy or poor on-the-spot judgment.

 

Another thought that comes to mind, is there a fundamental disconnect between the players and Crean right now? 

 

I don't know.  I'm throwing out random questions that I am thinking about. 

After that second half performance and getting out coached by a coach that was tweeting at halftime, he should be forced to tell us the real reason.  Although there's times I really think it's because he doesn't know what he's doing and thinks "making an adjustment" means "throw subs at a plan that's not working".

 

We are talking about a coach with track record very similar to Mike Davis after all.

[J_Smiff 304]

I'm not going to argue with you on that point.  I guess what I want to know is the WHY part of the equation.  Why did he do that?  Publicly I doubt he will tell us the true reason.  Is he trying to send a message with these bizarre subs?  Is he truly playing these guys for the extra experience towards next season because the current season is a lost cause?  I'm not saying either explanation would be acceptable to me but I'd rather hear a true rationale for it and not have to chalk it up to lunacy or poor on-the-spot judgment.

 

Another thought that comes to mind, is there a fundamental disconnect between the players and Crean right now? 

 

I don't know.  I'm throwing out random questions that I am thinking about. 

I hear ya.  I really wish he would be more open about it too, but all I got from his post game quotes was basically "the players didn't do what I told them."  That just adds fuel to the fire and isn't doing him any favors.

 

I've been wondering about the disconnect between him and the players as well.  If I was Stan, Evan, Troy and saw Marlin and Hartman getting minutes over me I would probably be pretty pissed off.  If they weren't giving it 100% I would understand, but it seems like they are to me.  Maybe they aren't behind closed doors, who knows.

[hoosier93 33]

my one criticism on Crean : He hasn't done it as much this year but especially last year, he was continuously reminding everyone where IU was just a few years prior. To me it feels like he didn't set the bar high enough for those boys last year, being ranked 1 throughout the year and only getting a sweet 16 for it. Now he is using the we are young card, Which is perfectly acceptable, but losing to northwestern and Nebraska just isn't fine. I don't care how good / bad or young IU is.... To me, I want to see improvements being made not just by the players, but the coaching staff as well and I have not seen a constant (game) basis this year.

[BlueDevil 8,693]

[quote name="hoosier93" post="34037" timestamp="1391222946"]my one criticism on Crean : He hasn't done it as much this year but especially last year, he was continuously reminding everyone where IU was just a few years prior. To me it feels like he didn't set the bar high enough for those boys last year, being ranked 1 throughout the year and only getting a sweet 16 for it. Now he is using the we are young card, Which is perfectly acceptable, but losing to northwestern and Nebraska just isn't fine. I don't care how good / bad or young IU is.... To me, I want to see improvements being made not just by the players, but the coaching staff as well and I have not seen a constant (game) basis this year.[/quote]

Quite frankly I'm burnt out on the young excuse. At this point in the season each player should have plenty of experience given that crean plays 20 guys a game. But I agree with you I want to see improvements and we won't see them until the coaching is improved.

[Dalton26 16,892]

I've seen people whether it be online or on twitter say they think the late game subs are for experience. But that makes absolutely no sense at all. If it was for experience wouldn't you want your sophomore guard and freshmen guard/center on the court instead of the bench? Sometimes I really have to question my fellow hoosiers thought process. Then again they are usually the same ones that will never blame anything on Crean no matter how much at fault he is.


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[bronkonagurski 894]

I've seen people whether it be online or on twitter say they think the late game subs are for experience. But that makes absolutely no sense at all. If it was for experience wouldn't you want your sophomore guard and freshmen guard/center on the court instead of the bench? Sometimes I really have to question my fellow hoosiers thought process. Then again they are usually the same ones that will never blame anything on Crean no matter how much at fault he is.


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Well apparently Don Fischer is preaching that same mantra based on what somebody else posted earlier.  Of course Don is pretty much a homer.  I recall him defending Mike Davis to the bitter end.

[JSHoosier 20,316]

Well apparently Don Fischer is preaching that same mantra based on what somebody else posted earlier.  Of course Don is pretty much a homer.  I recall him defending Mike Davis to the bitter end.

Wait, there were actually ways to defend Mike Davis at the end?  About the only defense I heard when I was at IU was "but he's a nice guy", when he wasn't playing the race card to get an undeserved raise.

[BlueDevil 8,693]

[quote name="bronkonagurski" post="34064" timestamp="1391231677"]Well apparently Don Fischer is preaching that same mantra based on what somebody else posted earlier. Of course Don is pretty much a homer. I recall him defending Mike Davis to the bitter end.[/quote]

Heard him on 1070. Needs to take his goggles off. Didn't make any sense.

[IUfan_Charlie 3,867]

13 players should never play in a game unless it is a blowout imo, but the half court "offense" is what really makes me mad. It is painful to watch. 

[johnsoniu 6,514]

13 players should never play in a game unless it is a blowout imo, but the half court "offense" is what really makes me mad. It is painful to watch. 

 

This. I have watched IUBB for 45 years, and during the 1st MSU game I did something I have never, EVER done before--I turned the game off at the half. And I did so not because I didn't think we could win, I did so because I literally could not stand to watch our offense for one more second.

[JaybobHoosier 11,852]

[quote name="johnsoniu" post="34076" timestamp="1391251434"]This. I have watched IUBB for 45 years, and during the 1st MSU game I did something I have never, EVER done before--I turned the game off at the half. And I did so not because I didn't think we could win, I did so because I literally could not stand to watch our offense for one more second.[/quote]

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