Women's Basketball Portal News

[mickey one]

3 hours ago, TTT said:

T. Moren at least publicly and backed it up by letting players play through there mistakes and development both, Garzon and Caffey (saying Caffey could be one of the best ever T. Moren said about Caffey publicly and Caffey a freshman….and what does T. Moren get for trying to be there for the freshman in return……
The opposite of thus far, Makalusky who was challenged and got playing time at a slower pace.  (the snowball effect if Bargesser could have stayed maybe Caffey would have not played quite as much out of necessity and would not be demanding the money…a 94 4 star good but not great. Caffey is not going to do that well at another major program because like Garzon T. Moren took care of Caffey….treating both of them like her own kids (sort of).  

What are these players getting in NiL.  Do the top programs just say ok and payout??

Like Garzon, Caffey just lowered her chances of wnba if that’s a goal of her’s and I can’t see anyone paying her 500,000 Lol….maybe, a desired location or a little more money like a dollar or two more.  

If Caffey was to go to a so called power house program she will come off the bench and risks the chance to eventually be relegated to the bench.  Deservedly.

Really good point. CTM championed the cause of Garzon and Caffey, and got stabbed in the back by both of them.

[mickey one]

Sad to say, college athletics is a professional league now, so we probably need to drop the supposed designations of "Freshman, Sophomore, etc." (just say how much eligibility they have left) and why should people list their majors (isn't that pretty fake)? In fact, why should academic eligibility even be required? 

The next lawsuit will probably be to terminate eligibility limitations--why 4 years, when the players are not really students, freely move from school to school, have no imperative to graduate, etc.

[ronzo4IU]

I hope if Teri decides to keep on coaching that her new assistant can start pulling some Genies out of a bottle and find some funding one way or another.  No good recruiter is going to stick around if her/his hands are tied.

[Aaron]

I think we are looking at Caffey or Yarden entering the portal in the wrong way. If we look outside the IU bubble, every team is losing 1-2 contributors to the portal every year in this climate.

The issue was this yrs portal class was inexcusable and didn’t replace the lost talent. Prior to last yr, the portal was a giveth and taketh away for Moren. Last yr it simply taketh with no give back.

Whether the program is healthy, will be decided by who they bring in and not who they lose in portal. You need to be bringing in a Sara Scalia or Shay Ciezki in every portal class if you are competitive. Losing people is inevitable.

If this portal class busts again, then its time for Moren and IU to be up front with fans as to whether either Moren is burnt out and can’t relate to modern kids or if program has serious NIL issues. One of two is true if the team can’t bring in impact players in portal again.

Next few weeks will tell us a lot about program health. If things go south, its time for a frank admission from IU on which of these two issues above is holding program back.

[TTT]

4 hours ago, Stuhoo said:

 

There is already a salary cap... $0.00.

NIL is not salary, and the courts have ruled that non-university, non-salary payments are part of a free market economy for one and all, even if they are college athletes.

Free market is a false very false very false term.  It is a big lie masquerading as free market.  (Courts can put any definition they want on it).  masquerading as well.  Not even going to go into it because it would be way too lengthy.

[TTT]

1 hour ago, Aaron said:

I think we are looking at Caffey or Yarden entering the portal in the wrong way. If we look outside the IU bubble, every team is losing 1-2 contributors to the portal every year in this climate.

The issue was this yrs portal class was inexcusable and didn’t replace the lost talent. Prior to last yr, the portal was a giveth and taketh away for Moren. Last yr it simply taketh with no give back.

Whether the program is healthy, will be decided by who they bring in and not who they lose in portal. You need to be bringing in a Sara Scalia or Shay Ciezki in every portal class if you are competitive. Losing people is inevitable.

If this portal class busts again, then its time for Moren and IU to be up front with fans as to whether either Moren is burnt out and can’t relate to modern kids or if program has serious NIL issues. One of two is true if the team can’t bring in impact players in portal again.

Next few weeks will tell us a lot about program health. If things go south, its time for a frank admission from IU on which of these two issues above is holding program back.

Exactly maybe worded a little differently as same comments last year.

[TTT]

3 hours ago, mickey one said:

Really good point. CTM championed the cause of Garzon and Caffey, and got stabbed in the back by both of them.

Regarding those two big time.  Neither would have been what they developed under T. Moren.  (Garzon took a step backward rather than stepping forward this year which could be seen coming from a mile away because T. Moren coached her to reach her best potential).

Both, inexcusable!!!!

[HoosierHoopster]

2 hours ago, Aaron said:

I think we are looking at Caffey or Yarden entering the portal in the wrong way. If we look outside the IU bubble, every team is losing 1-2 contributors to the portal every year in this climate.

The issue was this yrs portal class was inexcusable and didn’t replace the lost talent. Prior to last yr, the portal was a giveth and taketh away for Moren. Last yr it simply taketh with no give back.

Whether the program is healthy, will be decided by who they bring in and not who they lose in portal. You need to be bringing in a Sara Scalia or Shay Ciezki in every portal class if you are competitive. Losing people is inevitable.

If this portal class busts again, then its time for Moren and IU to be up front with fans as to whether either Moren is burnt out and can’t relate to modern kids or if program has serious NIL issues. One of two is true if the team can’t bring in impact players in portal again.

Next few weeks will tell us a lot about program health. If things go south, its time for a frank admission from IU on which of these two issues above is holding program back.

I think this is a fair read and largely accurate.

My only real sticking point or nagging question point is that losing a key frosh starter, who is absolutely a core player positionally including for on ball play and who was expected to be part of core continuity, hurts the team's / Moren's ability to come out of the gate as a cohesive unit. 

It's also a hit to depth. This team is not in the more typical position of being able to lose a key player or two because of depth. It was rebuilding from last season's en masse departures, and losing a key player with a year's experience in the program can be a real setback. Absolutely need to land players like Shay, but the team's in a much better position if that add is to an existing core group well versed in Moren's system and used to playing together.

Caffey is just one of the core players, so so long as the rest stay it may not be that bad, that's a we'll see, but man really really liked her upside and having a core group matters.

[TTT]

2 hours ago, Aaron said:

I think we are looking at Caffey or Yarden entering the portal in the wrong way. If we look outside the IU bubble, every team is losing 1-2 contributors to the portal every year in this climate.

The issue was this yrs portal class was inexcusable and didn’t replace the lost talent. Prior to last yr, the portal was a giveth and taketh away for Moren. Last yr it simply taketh with no give back.

Whether the program is healthy, will be decided by who they bring in and not who they lose in portal. You need to be bringing in a Sara Scalia or Shay Ciezki in every portal class if you are competitive. Losing people is inevitable.

If this portal class busts again, then its time for Moren and IU to be up front with fans as to whether either Moren is burnt out and can’t relate to modern kids or if program has serious NIL issues. One of two is true if the team can’t bring in impact players in portal again.

Next few weeks will tell us a lot about program health. If things go south, its time for a frank admission from IU on which of these two issues above is holding program back.

The IU Ladies program health is lethargic.  It’s going to take more than just a Scalia or a Ciezki.  
Last paragraph same thing said last year at this time.

 The very best successful programs yes they have a couple players in transfer portal but have some to take their place and have players in line to commit in recruiting when called.

[TTT]

Whether unfair or not make recruits sign at least a 2 year contract with penalty attached.  Yes not fair.  But what is going on now is not fair either.  The two years contract might develop problem solving skills and interactional skills growth and development.  Isn’t that what college sports is supposed to do.  Oh yeah players get stuck for two years…then tough just quit.  (an exception could be coaching change).

[TTT]

Caffey can always pull out of the transfer portal.  However, she is very replaceable with the higher level players in the transfer portal out there if IU Ladies could get 3 or 4 of them.  That’s a big ask.

Sidenote:  Caffey is competitive.  Maybe, she is just as competitive in her contract negotiations as well.

Love Parrish and her comments coming from her who is in the know.

[TTT]

[Claxdj01]

“Running it back” after such a terrible season is very cringe worthy, have noticed all the players that are returning are going with it 

[HoosierHoopster]

3 minutes ago, Claxdj01 said:

“Running it back” after such a terrible season is very cringe worthy, have noticed all the players that are returning are going with it 

Because it’s about the core group coming back to build on what they started, not some kind of celebration of a losing season. Really??

[LamarCheeks]

Beau is all in. 

She's gonna run it back as well (Sorry Claxdj01!)

[LamarCheeks]

And Z. 

Let's just hope she's healthy enough to do something other than run back to the bench with an injury! 

[Aaron]

Everyone should feel better now that the other three core pieces announced their return.

Losing one key contributor per season is normal and its how you replace them that matters. 

The problem with losing Yarden was we didn’t replace her in portal, not that she left. It’s the same with Caffey and this time they need a Shay level player as replacement if they want success as Moren did every yr. before last.

As I said above, its not who you lose but how you replace that matters and will tell us where program is at.

[Claxdj01]

27 minutes ago, HoosierHoopster said:

Because it’s about the core group coming back to build on what they started, not some kind of celebration of a losing season. Really??

Do ya want to win or just be conference filler? They sucked. Adding a few freshman guards isn’t going to fix it, if they actually come. I’d say the team decided to have anyone that is staying to post in desperation. I’m tired of the nil money excuse. She bragged for years she supposedly didn’t need it. Nobody in this forum is going to actually know what they have. Maybe caffey just wanted to go win?

[Class of '66 Old Fart]

Jaylah Lampley (6-1 FR shooting guard/wing, Fishers, IN) has announced that she'll enter the portal, out of Mississippi State WBB —2025-26: 30 GP (6 starts), 20.4 MPG, 8.3 PPG, 4.7 RPG —when she committed, had a top 6 that also included Cal, Georgia, Louisville, Ole Miss, Rutgers.

 

We offered Oct. '22 very early in her recruitment; committed to Mississippi St. Oct. '24.   As noted above we weren't in her top 6 so unknown if we'll try to get involved again.  

[mickey one]

2 hours ago, TTT said:

Whether unfair or not make recruits sign at least a 2 year contract with penalty attached.  Yes not fair.  But what is going on now is not fair either.  The two years contract might develop problem solving skills and interactional skills growth and development.  Isn’t that what college sports is supposed to do.  Oh yeah players get stuck for two years…then tough just quit.  (an exception could be coaching change).

That is necessary, but not sure how to get there. In NFL and NBA, there are rookie contracts which run 4 years with certain money guaranteed. In college sports, you could run the contract for 2 years. Then, in the 3rd year, the player would become a free agent, and universities could sign them for an additional 2 years, not just 1 year, like with the present portal. 

That would give you more stability.

Question of eligibility limits (more than 4 years?) will probably be litigated next.