2025 IUFB Season

[WayneFleekHoosier 52,435]

Even with a giant alumni base and unimaginable success, football only now has top 20, not top ten resources.
I’m reasonably confident that Devries, like Cig, doesn’t perceive limitations, and like Cig, he is spending a larger than normal proportion on staff salaries.
A competitive budget is needed, but budget isn’t the primary factor for champions. People, process, and persistence is more indispensable.

True.

It’s not everything but it stacks the odds heavily in your favor. Takes dysfunction or lack of leadership to ruin it.

In a lot of ways , its why winning is sweeter without the “top” roster in football.


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[Pagoda 6,882]

I’m not really seeing any funding issues with IUFB and IUBB.  Whatever IUFB is getting Cig views as sufficient given he is staying here, which is all that matters (#20-25 resources in my guesstimation).  To start, CDD gets a huge operating budget and 10-20th ranked payroll for players.  In my opinion, the big question with IUBB isn’t money, it’s how good is CDD?

That said, IUFB is pretty clearly the priority and it should be.  It makes basically all the money and we’ve got an incredible staff operating at an elite level.  Cig will eventually retire, etc.  You’ve got to make hay while the sun shines.

[OGIUAndy 1,229]

2 hours ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

Has that feel to an extent.  We won’t be poverty at IUBB, but top 10 resources is out (imo).  Maybe even top 20.  This offseason will be the second test of that.  The HS recruiting seems to indicate that 15-30 range.   

Sorry, but I don't believe this for a second. 

[WayneFleekHoosier 52,435]

Sorry, but I don't believe this for a second. 

Definitely ahead of us

1. Duke
2. Arizona
3. UConn
4. BYU
5. Louisville
6. North Carolina
7. Kansas
8. St. John’s
9. Arkansas
10. Kentucky
11. Michigan

Then the maybe list:

12. Alabama
13. Michigan State
14. Illinois
15. Houston
16. Florida
17. NC State
18. Tennessee
19. UCLA
20. USC.
An extra 20. Texas Tech

There’s 21. Could we be behind this group of 9 reasonably? Absolutely. I’d argue we are behind much of this group.

Others In contention

21. Texas
22. Missouri
23. Ohio State
24. Baylor
25. Washington
26. Miami
27. Texas AM
28. Iowa State
29. Gonzaga
30. Kansas state
31. Georgetown
32. Ole Miss
33. Oregon
34. Auburn
35. Memphis

Could argue a few from this group.

Maybe I’m missing some contenders.

I’d say confidently we aren’t top 10. I think 10-15 is possible but based on rosters this year I could see us below the 20 I named in this post. I think some of the contenders might have surpassed us too. Oregon, Texas, OSU, Washington has an expensive roster.


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[OGIUAndy 1,229]

26 minutes ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

Definitely ahead of us

1. Duke
2. Arizona
3. UConn
4. BYU
5. Louisville
6. North Carolina
7. Kansas
8. St. John’s
9. Arkansas
10. Kentucky
11. Michigan

Then the maybe list:

12. Alabama
13. Michigan State
14. Illinois
15. Houston
16. Florida
17. NC State
18. Tennessee
19. UCLA
20. USC.
An extra 20. Texas Tech

There’s 21. Could we be behind this group of 9 reasonably? Absolutely. I’d argue we are behind much of this group.

Others In contention

21. Texas
22. Missouri
23. Ohio State
24. Baylor
25. Washington
26. Miami
27. Texas AM
28. Iowa State
29. Gonzaga
30. Kansas state
31. Georgetown
32. Ole Miss
33. Oregon
34. Auburn
35. Memphis

Could argue a few from this group.

Maybe I’m missing some contenders.

I’d say confidently we aren’t top 10. I think 10-15 is possible but based on rosters this year I could see us below the 20 I named in this post. I think some of the contenders might have surpassed us too. Oregon, Texas, OSU, Washington has an expensive roster.


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Sorry I don't really understand this "could" argument? Why would IU do this? So IUFB has success they are just going to gut their BB NIL? This is bordering on a straw man argument. 

[Stuhoo 93,669]

Hey all, a friendly reminder that this convo has completely veered into the basketball forum so pls take it there.

Thanks 

[WayneFleekHoosier 52,435]

Sorry I don't really understand this "could" argument? Why would IU do this? So IUFB has success they are just going to gut their BB NIL? This is bordering on a straw man argument. 

No one said any of this. I said we might not be top 20 nil program in basketball. I listed schools as a mental exercise. It matches up. No one really knows.

The “could” be section was schools I’m not as sure about. I think we are ahead of most of those besides maybe Oregon, OSU, Washington, Gonzaga, Texas. Idk.


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[Lebowski 4,368]

38 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

Hey all, a friendly reminder that this convo has completely veered into the basketball forum so pls take it there.

Thanks 

Thank you kindly for making this statement. 

[Lebowski 4,368]

2 hours ago, rcbowla said:

There is zero reason both can't be in the national spotlight. No need to rob Peter to pay Paul. Fund/support both and be nationally relevant annually in both marquee sports in collegiate athletics.

IUFB is indeed driving the bus. That was never the case, ever. It is now. Finally. 

 

It will be considered first and foremost before any other sport in the department. And doing so will pay dividends for every single sport, especially the basketball program.

If you live in the 812, every store that has any sort of sports apparel is currently stacked with IUFB.  More than I have ever seen in my lifetime. I used to see a lot back in the late 80s/early 90s, but nothing like this. 

[Stuhoo 93,669]

Walking through the outdoor farmers market in West Palm Beach, Florida this morning. Saw three separate instances where someone was wearing IU gear. Never saw that before, and it’s not because of basketball.

[Stuhoo 93,669]

I’m sure that it’s being discussed; wondering how we’re going to add about 15,000 seats to Memorial.

Was at a crap-@$$ U Florida game last month and the high, steep monster stadium there is still louder than ours is for an @$$ kicking team.

[rcbowla 8,606]

10 minutes ago, Lebowski said:

IUFB is indeed driving the bus. That was never the case, ever. It is now. Finally. 

 

It will be considered first and foremost before any other sport in the department. And doing so will pay dividends for every single sport, especially the basketball program.

If you live in the 812, every store that has any sort of sports apparel is currently stacked with IUFB.  More than I have ever seen in my lifetime. I used to see a lot back in the late 80s/early 90s, but nothing like this. 

Oh, I'm by no means arguing which sport drives the financial bus. I'm just simply saying there is no need to start ignoring basketball due to football success. Their can be high end commitment to both simultaneously. In fact there are many schools that have and currently are doing just this. I just want it all.....that too much to ask? 

[Pagoda 6,882]

JMO I think we’ll add a few seats but I’d guess we add premium seating and max out at 60K.

Perhaps that’s a self-imposed limitation on my part!  For shame!

Memorial Stadium has some fairly steep stands, but yea it’s not Ben Hill Griff.  I kinda think most of it is down to our fans who can probably get a little more wild than they are — like in AH when we were good or the Illinois game this year.  Memorial could be a little more Autzen-like over time I would hope.

To be clear I’m not complaining just observing.  We’ve come a long way baby and more is possible.

[Lebowski 4,368]

1 minute ago, rcbowla said:

Oh, I'm by no means arguing which sport drives the financial bus. I'm just simply saying there is no need to start ignoring basketball due to football success. Their can be high end commitment to both simultaneously. In fact there are many schools that have and currently are doing just this. I just want it all.....that too much to ask? 

I don't think I said any such thing. My point was IUFB is number one over any other sport in the department. That was made clear with what they're paying the DC.  And funds that were typically allocated to IUBB might not be there anymore. Especially if there's a chance to land a top recruit for the football program. 

[Lebowski 4,368]

9 minutes ago, Pagoda said:

JMO I think we’ll add a few seats but I’d guess we add premium seating and max out at 60K.

Memorial Stadium has some fairly steep stands, but yea it’s not Ben Hill Griff.  I kinda think most of it is down to our fans who can probably get a little more wild than they are.

The pressbox is definitely coming down and rebuilt. Lol. 

[cthomas 6,901]

We have come a long way and still have a long way to go. Locking down Haines was a great start. We need to establish sustainability to really grow the program. Remember, the big boys have generations of success to rely on. We are just starting. We'll get there if the commitment continues. Outside of the 76 basketball team, the past two years of football have been the most enjoyable in my life.

[Lebowski 4,368]

FINALLY!! This one's for AT and Mallory! 

Heisman is in the 812!

[Brass Cannon 26,872]

3 more wins. 

[DChoosier 10,654]

When we hired a coach from JMU I distinctly (LOL) remember predicting:

We would go the the playoffs two years in a row

Get a bye in the second year

We would be rated first in the NATION

Would beat OSU and win the Big Ten

Go undefeated 

Win Coach of the year two years in a row

Win Assistant of the year

Win the Heisman 

etc etc