They “Retired” Coach Woodson Thread

[IUFAN1976 4,258]

Just now, AZ Hoosier said:

So, Woodson has his billionaire buddies buy him a team, and then builds a weak schedule... it's almost like he's afraid of something. Just fire his lazy@$$ and be done with him.

It does appear that way!  I think what little pair he had left after this past season went  up inside to hide!

[RaceToTheTop 27,746]

4 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

Just for the record, I love Mike Woodson the person, not in love with Mike Woodson the coach. 

You are definitely harsher on him as a coach than I am, but I would never say I love Mike Woodson the person.  I think the refusal to take responsibility for certain things is a reflection of him as a person and not a coach.

[Home Jersey 11,339]

People aren’t going to buy what you’re selling if they have to squint really hard to see it. This non-con schedule kinda sucks lol.

Could be worse… could be better. The way the NET works and how heavily the tournament committee weighs it as a metric, has not been great for the product of college basketball IMO. You’re basically incentivized to beat up bad teams… if you can. Yawn. 

[Chris007 51,435]

Just now, RaceToTheTop said:

You are definitely harsher on him as a coach than I am, but I would never say I love Mike Woodson the person.  I think the refusal to take responsibility for certain things is a reflection of him as a person and not a coach.

I'm saying sitting around a table at Uptown drinking a bottle of wine and talking about life I love that guy. Watching him build, coach a basketball team makes me want to pull out the final 3 or 4 hairs I have left on my head

[AH1971 2,013]

4 minutes ago, RaceToTheTop said:

To be fair, they did.  The Battle for Atlantis.

One other clarification -- you did forget to put the fact that Tennessee is on Illinois' schedule this year (although I would have removed Missouri from your list if you want to talk about how tough their schedule is).  That said:

Last year IU's non-conference SOS was 223 accoring to Pom.  This ranked as the 6th toughest out of the 14 Big Ten teams and was ahead of Illinois's schedule last year which was at 260.

Outside of Indiana, my prediction would be that 4 of the other teams in the Battle for Atlantis would be in the top 50 NET and three would be outside the top 50.  Top 50 NET on the road equates to a Q1 game.  Most likely IU will face either 1 Q1 and 2 Q2 or 2Q1 and 1 Q2.  

The other opponents by last year NET:

• SIU Edwardsville:  280 Q4
• Eastern Illinois 311 Q4
• South Carolina 51 Q2
• UNC Greensboro 132  Q3
• Sam Houston 152 Q3
• Miami (O) 238 Q4
• Chattanooga 140 Q3 
• Wintrop 181 Q4

Totals:  Either 1 or 2 Q1, 2 or 3 Q2, 3 Q3, 4 Q4.

Last year the non-con NET sheet was:  3 Q1, 0 Q2, 2 Q3, 6 Q4.  While the marquee matchups at the top aren't there (although they could be depending on how the Battle of Atlantis plays out), it is a more balanced schedule.

 

So much easier to reason with somebody who uses actual logic instead of feeling/emotion. Thank you for doing this.

Further proves that people are going to b**** and moan regardless. 

[Scotty R 2,791]

Last year a team like Iowa St. Schedule almost all cupcakes and blew those teams out. They were rewarded a high seed so the committed shows that is the way to schedule 

[Home Jersey 11,339]

Just now, AH1971 said:

So much easier to reason with somebody who uses actual logic instead of feeling/emotion. Thank you for doing this.

Further proves that people are going to b**** and moan regardless. 

You could gripe about that in your diary, not the Fire Mike Woodson thread.

Unless you just enjoy antagonizing people? 

[Uspshoosier 49,005]

6 minutes ago, AH1971 said:

JFC, Purdue "scheduled" two of their five good non-conference games. The rest were by virtue of playing (and winning) in Maui which is no different than us playing in the Bahamas this year. We will play at worst a Q2 opponent in round 1 and then likely Gonzaga/Arizona in round 2. Win your first two games in the Bahamas and there's a good chance you're leaving with 3 Q1 opponents on the schedule, the same amount as last years non-conference schedule. 

 

[AH1971 2,013]

4 minutes ago, Home Jersey said:

You could gripe about that in your diary, not the Fire Mike Woodson thread.

Unless you just enjoy antagonizing people? 

I'll stick to facts while forming opinions when participating in a message board setting. Facts don't care about your feelings. Feel free to choose your path. 

[Coach Robby 325]

On 7/3/2024 at 7:33 PM, ziggyiu said:

From an outside perspective I can see it, but I also don't think he's that rude, dismissive, and insecure. I could see it being someone close to him. Often times the vitriol on social media is harder on friends and family. 

I have no clue, so don't get me wrong. I'm just curious when I ask: What makes you feel so strongly it's Ya? 

I don't know...the timing of everything...the way tYme spoke on X/Twitter, fell in line with everything that was actually going on. Time with a Y?  Oddly enough, Tyme is active today defending the weak non-conference schedule to bloggers/online folks. I don't know...maybe he tweets like he talks? tYme also appears to be tight with Adam Howard, so I guess those reasons/guesses are my reasoning.

[Home Jersey 11,339]

2 minutes ago, AH1971 said:

I'll stick to facts while forming opinions when participating in a message board setting. Facts don't care about your feelings. Feel free to choose your path. 

"Dear diary, 

Today the meanies in the Fire Mike Woodson thread were so harsh on him.

They just refuse to see facts because everyone knows there isn't any validity to any way of thinking that's different than mine!

I can't wait to make them eat crow when IUBB goes 22-9 and makes a S16! That will really show them!"

[AH1971 2,013]

4 minutes ago, Home Jersey said:

"Dear diary, 

Today the meanies in the Fire Mike Woodson thread were so harsh on him.

They just refuse to see facts because everyone knows there isn't any validity to any way of thinking that's different than mine!

I can't wait to make them eat crow when IUBB goes 22-9 and makes a S16! That will really show them!"

Can't tell if I'm more excited for the emotional meltdown that will almost certainly ensue from those who have doubled and tripled down on stupidity or the fact that there will be 4-5 less clowns with an opinion around these parts. Either way, it'll be a win.  

[AZ Hoosier 8,800]

36 minutes ago, AH1971 said:

Can't tell if I'm more excited for the emotional meltdown that will almost certainly ensue from those who have doubled and tripled down on stupidity or the fact that there will be 4-5 less clowns with an opinion around these parts. Either way, it'll be a win.  

Waaaahhhhhh. We still be here when Mediocre Mike is nothing more than a bad memory... and history will support the fact that Woodson was a horrible coach.

[IUCrazy2 2,589]

42 minutes ago, AH1971 said:

It's almost as if 3 potential games in a pre-season tournament littered with Q1 and Q2 opponents aren't on the list. Hmmm.

Add Providence/Oklahoma/Louisville, Gonzaga, and Arizona to that list and now tell me what the schedule potentially looks like?

At best, 2 Q1 and 1Q2.  Likely scenario is 1 Q1 and 2 Q2.

So you are saying that 2 Q1, 2 Q2 (at best) and only 1 an actually guaranteed game is a good schedule.  I think it looks soft.  And I didn't cover Atlantis because I had already done all those teams.  Follow along.

[Home Jersey 11,339]

7 minutes ago, AH1971 said:

Can't tell if I'm more excited for the emotional meltdown that will almost certainly ensue from those who have doubled and tripled down on stupidity or the fact that there will be 4-5 less clowns with an opinion around these parts. Either way, it'll be a win.  

Have you considered going outside, touching grass, and getting some vitamin D in the sun?

Ancient proverb from New Jersey: Always let the a$$hole get the last word.

Not sure if it will be funnier when you can't resist and respond to this ridiculous post, or if you heed the old adage and give me the satisfaction of being the a$$hole here. (Read that in a whiny baby voice so it sounds just like you). 

Either way... 

And let's go Hoosiers

[Chris007 51,435]

Has anyone seen Alabama's non-conference schedule? They just released it. 

https://x.com/JonRothstein/status/1810756774451949999

Purdue

ILL

Houston 

ND-Rutgers

UNC

Creighton

 

 

 

 

 

[AH1971 2,013]

3 minutes ago, IUCrazy2 said:

At best, 2 Q1 and 1Q2.  Likely scenario is 1 Q1 and 2 Q2.

So you are saying that 2 Q1, 2 Q2 (at best) and only 1 an actually guaranteed game is a good schedule.  I think it looks soft.  And I didn't cover Atlantis because I had already done all those teams.  Follow along.

As another poster pointed out (as did I prior to him actually laying out the data), the schedule is on track to be tougher this year than last year top to bottom. I wasn't here beginning part of last season, but I'm sure I can guarantee that nobody was calling last years non-conference schedule "soft".

[IUCrazy2 2,589]

47 minutes ago, Scotty R said:

Just for reference this s was our non conference schedule in 1986-87 season.

Montana State I was at that game

ND

UK

Vandy

UNC Wilmington 

E. Carolina 

Morehead State 

UL

Princeton 

Illinois State 

Don't look that much different than this coming year. Also back then we had 4 pretty much guarantee wins in the conference vs UW and NW

I get it a lot hate Woodson and will bash him on everything even if I t isn't warranted.

I am not going to go look up all the teams but Notre Dame, Kentucky, Vanderbilt, and Louisville (Defending National Champions) GUARANTEED looks like a tougher schedule than "We are in a tournament with 2 good teams and a bunch of average teams and if things fall peefectly we may play those 2 good teams".

You think that having another large Indiana school and the 2 Kentucky schools (I am assuming in Indiana or Kentucky) definitively on the schedule might look a bit interesting than maybe some teams in the Bahamas, South Carolina, and a bunch of nobodies of differing nobody caliber?

It is a soft schedule.  I don't know why that is hard to admit.  If you want to defend it you shouldn't try and convince people it is good (it is mediocre), you should be offering up stuff like "We have a bunch of new teams that add to difficulty in conference and a bunch of new players so this gives us a chance to gel before conference starts" not a defense of what is clearly an uninteresting, lower tier schedule designed to get wins.  Which is what this is.

[IUCrazy2 2,589]

5 minutes ago, AH1971 said:

As another poster pointed out (as did I prior to him actually laying out the data), the schedule is on track to be tougher this year than last year top to bottom. I wasn't here beginning part of last season, but I'm sure I can guarantee that nobody was calling last years non-conference schedule "soft".

No, this is the BS that other teams pulled last year where they don't really schedule anyone of real consequence but instead load up on teams that they should beat by 20 instead of 40 and nobody they should really lose to.  Even that South Carolina game should be a double digit win at home (10 to 12 range).

The entire strength of the schedule is going to rest on our ability and 2 other teams' ability to win games to ensure matchups.  And that is assuming that Arizona and Gonzaga were put on opposite sides of the Atlantis bracket.  It is a complete possibility to have 0 Q1 games in the pre-conference if scheduling doesn't go our way.

[AH1971 2,013]

38 minutes ago, IUCrazy2 said:

No, this is the BS that other teams pulled last year where they don't really schedule anyone of real consequence but instead load up on teams that they should beat by 20 instead of 40 and nobody they should really lose to.  Even that South Carolina game should be a double digit win at home (10 to 12 range).

The entire strength of the schedule is going to rest on our ability and 2 other teams' ability to win games to ensure matchups.  And that is assuming that Arizona and Gonzaga were put on opposite sides of the Atlantis bracket.  It is a complete possibility to have 0 Q1 games in the pre-conference if scheduling doesn't go our way.

Uh no, the BS the other teams pulled last year (looking at the majority of the B12) was scheduling 8-10 sub-300 NET opponents (Q4) and running up the score to artificially inflate their initial NET ranking while manipulating the system in the process. That isn't in the realm of what IU is doing. At most, IU is playing two sub-300 teams, also the first two games of the season, something 99% of P5 teams do. At most IU is playing 5 Q4 opponents (most likely 4). They played 6 last year. I will agree that IU's top end competition last year is likely going to be better than this years version, but you never know, especially if they play both Arizona and Gonzaga down in the Bahamas.

Fact of the matter is that IU played 3 Q1/Q2 opponents in the non-conference last season and this year has the ability to play 4 or 5 with way less Q4 opponents. IU's non-conference schedule will end up being "tougher" than last years schedule. Mark it down. Nobody bitched about a "soft" non-conference schedule last year because at the time nobody had an ax to grind and/or a narrative to push. You know that, I know that, everybody on here knows that. This is a typical P5 non-conference schedule with a good mixture of tournament resume opportunities and tune up games to get ready for a 20 game conference slate. Nothing more, nothing less...unless you want it to be. And we all know why. If Dusty May or Bruce Pearl were coaching this team this season with this schedule we'd still be on page 129.