(2023) - PF Arrinten Page to USC

[IU Scott 2,375]

9 minutes ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

I can't tell you on Booker.  He blew up on the AAU circuit.  I know Woodson didn't seem to like him.  He is a finesse big but man he is skilled.  To me its a miss but maybe its a family/personality thing.  IDK.  What about all the imaginary guys we didn't target because we spent a lot of time on guys we missed (Power. Page, Kaiser, DHS, etc----4 deep on several of these guys)?  We landed nobody.  No matter how you want to sugarcoat it, it was a debacle of an effort.  They picked guys to go after, of their and only their choosing, and missed all of them.  People have argued, they didn't really want them bad anyway and wanted Transfer portal instead.  Meh...  I didn't want them too badly, some of them, but the staff spent the Summer on these selected players.  

Just have to agree to disagree on this topic. I am sure the coaching staff knows more than we do on who has legit interest in IU and knows who to spend their time and effort on.

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57 minutes ago, IU Scott said:

Just have to agree to disagree on this topic. I am sure the coaching staff knows more than we do on who has legit interest in IU and knows who to spend their time and effort on.

As they say, the proof is in the pudding.  

Agree to disagree makes sense.

[Uspshoosier 54,216]

Page and Kaiser were definitely misses for the staff in my opinion.  Although I knew it was reported that the staff was fine going into the portal if they missed out this cycle you could just tell by their actions these 2 meant more to the staff.    We can argue until we are blue in the face on whether the others are misses or not but for me I knew they had moved on from each of the others in advance in one form or another.  All about perspective on if you think it’s a debacle or not.    There is a difference between fan misses and staff misses.   Booker is probably a fan miss but if you followed how IU recruited him closely you can really see he wouldn’t be a staff miss. The staff had ample opportunities to be out in front watching and chose not to do so.      
 

I can view the 2023 so far as some solid pieces that the staff prioritized and landed to start the class out

i can also say that the rest of the class hasn’t gone they way I thought it would go to this point but I don’t see it as a debacle 

I can also acknowledge that moving forward recruiting will need to improve over the 2023 class if IU’s wants to get to where they need to get.    The ground work that has been done by the staff for the 2024 class and especially the 2025 class makes me really excited moving forward 
 

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21 minutes ago, Uspshoosier said:

Page and Kaiser were definitely misses for the staff in my opinion.  Although I knew it was reported that the staff was fine going into the portal if they missed out this cycle you could just tell by their actions these 2 meant more to the staff.    We can argue until we are blue in the face on whether the others are misses or not but for me I knew they had moved on from each of the others in advance in one form or another.  All about perspective on if you think it’s a debacle or not.    There is a difference between fan misses and staff misses.   Booker is probably a fan miss but if you followed how IU recruited him closely you can really see he wouldn’t be a staff miss. The staff had ample opportunities to be out in front watching and chose not to do so.      
 

I can view the 2023 so far as some solid pieces that the staff prioritized and landed to start the class out

i can also say that the rest of the class hasn’t gone they way I thought it would go to this point but I don’t see it as a debacle 

I can also acknowledge that moving forward recruiting will need to improve over the 2023 class if IU’s wants to get to where they need to get.    The ground work that has been done by the staff for the 2024 class and especially the 2025 class makes me really excited moving forward 
 

Little was a miss as well.   Early miss that some might of forgotten about.    They wanted  the combination of Little  and Cupps together 

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33 minutes ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

As they say, the proof is in the pudding.  

Agree to disagree makes sense.

You will never change my mind and I won't change yours on this subject which is fine to have different opinions. Of course we have to see how it plays out but as of right now I would rather look at things in a positive manner.  I doubt very many people thought after 1 year that Woodson would have us in a position to be picked to win the conference.

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Little was a miss as well.   Early miss that some might of forgotten about.    They wanted  the combination of Little  and Cupps together 

Little is gonna be a beast. Baylor a great system for him. He was there for that wild Purdue game and that wasn’t even enough.

I understand the Booker discussion. I don’t blame the staff on that one as they made their choice. However, my personal decision is it’s biting them on the rear end right now. Unless there is behind the scenes friction with the kid it was a bonkers decision.


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[WayneFleekHoosier 51,259]

Page and Kaiser were definitely misses for the staff in my opinion.  Although I knew it was reported that the staff was fine going into the portal if they missed out this cycle you could just tell by their actions these 2 meant more to the staff.    We can argue until we are blue in the face on whether the others are misses or not but for me I knew they had moved on from each of the others in advance in one form or another.  All about perspective on if you think it’s a debacle or not.    There is a difference between fan misses and staff misses.   Booker is probably a fan miss but if you followed how IU recruited him closely you can really see he wouldn’t be a staff miss. The staff had ample opportunities to be out in front watching and chose not to do so.      
 
I can view the 2023 so far as some solid pieces that the staff prioritized and landed to start the class out
i can also say that the rest of the class hasn’t gone they way I thought it would go to this point but I don’t see it as a debacle 
I can also acknowledge that moving forward recruiting will need to improve over the 2023 class if IU’s wants to get to where they need to get.    The ground work that has been done by the staff for the 2024 class and especially the 2025 class makes me really excited moving forward 
 

I think what some are failing to identify was 2023 was the class we needed to hammer to avoid the dropoff. The staff got players to stay for 22 that maybe we didn’t count on which puts us in an excellent spot this year but a terrible spot next year. If our top 10 class all stays including JHS we are 1, maybe 2 transfers away. I suppose if we have a rebuilding year next year, and recruit excellently for 24 it wouldnt be horrible but it’s a slippery slope.

My bigger concern is NIL isn’t being utilized to the level it should to win recruitments. At some point it must. Flory was possibly up for grabs. Now outbid. 23 kids weren’t even top dollar targets.


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14 minutes ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

Little is gonna be a beast. Baylor a great system for him. He was there for that wild Purdue game and that wasn’t even enough.

I understand the Booker discussion. I don’t blame the staff on that one as they made their choice. However, my personal decision is it’s biting them on the rear end right now. Unless there is behind the scenes friction with the kid it was a bonkers decision.


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I have seen Booker 3 times in person and he wasn't overly impressive. He stayed out at the 3 point line and didn't rebound well for a guy his size.  For a top ranked recruit he was the 4th or 5th option on his HS team.  He seems to have a low motor and didn't always play up to his capabilities. I think the fact that UK or Duke didn't really recruit him should tell you something.

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10 minutes ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

I think what some are failing to identify was 2023 was the class we needed to hammer to avoid the dropoff. The staff got players to stay for 22 that maybe we didn’t count on which puts us in an excellent spot this year but a terrible spot next year. If our top 10 class all stays including JHS we are 1, maybe 2 transfers away. I suppose if we have a rebuilding year next year, and recruit excellently for 24 it wouldnt be horrible but it’s a slippery slope.

My bigger concern is NIL isn’t being utilized to the level it should to win recruitments. At some point it must. Flory was possibly up for grabs. Now outbid. 23 kids weren’t even top dollar targets.


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How do you know how we are using the NIL

[WayneFleekHoosier 51,259]

How do you know how we are using the NIL

Recruiting results, dear friend. Proof in the pudding again.


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I have seen Booker 3 times in person and he wasn't overly impressive. He stayed out at the 3 point line and didn't rebound well for a guy his size.  For a top ranked recruit he was the 4th or 5th option on his HS team.  He seems to have a low motor and didn't always play up to his capabilities. I think the fact that UK or Duke didn't really recruit him should tell you something.

Yeah, and Izzo has a penchant to recruit duds.

Booker is probably (most likely) overrated as a top 5 guy. He has possible top 5 potential. He won MVP at an all American camp with the nations best players. UK and Duke get virtually whoever they want. They field a 10-13 man team.
Imo, he was an excellent teammate at Cathedral and his team won state easily if I’m not mistaken. He did what his coach asked, then he goes to a free flowing structure and catches fire. There is a risk/reward here and I acknowledge that but we needed size and shooting and he offered both. Bonkers.


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38 minutes ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

I think what some are failing to identify was 2023 was the class we needed to hammer to avoid the dropoff. The staff got players to stay for 22 that maybe we didn’t count on which puts us in an excellent spot this year but a terrible spot next year. If our top 10 class all stays including JHS we are 1, maybe 2 transfers away. I suppose if we have a rebuilding year next year, and recruit excellently for 24 it wouldnt be horrible but it’s a slippery slope.

My bigger concern is NIL isn’t being utilized to the level it should to win recruitments. At some point it must. Flory was possibly up for grabs. Now outbid. 23 kids weren’t even top dollar targets.


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NIL is why I don’t feel good about relying on the transfer portal. We got outbid last offseason. Have we made the adjustments we’ll need to make to avoid that this upcoming offseason? The 2023 class suggests that we haven’t. 

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47 minutes ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

Recruiting results, dear friend. Proof in the pudding again.


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Just because a kid picks another school doesn't mean it was NIL.  So we got Cupps and Newton just because of NIL. LOL!

[WayneFleekHoosier 51,259]

Just because a kid picks another school doesn't mean it was NIL.  So we got Cupps and Newton just because of NIL. LOL!

Naive. I think you are misappropriating Newton and Cupps.

Indiana has historically always been able to get low end 4 stars. Every coach ever at Indiana. That’s generally our sweet spot. The 5 stars, high end 4s, things get interesting. However Cody Zellers exist. Yogi Ferrells exist. Some recruitments are easier to read than others. Cupps and Newton were not likely NIL dependent recruitments. Thus the success. Flory Bidunga is a NIL recruitment. So many others are as well. We haven’t particularly boded well in bidding war recruitments pre or post Nil. Although we’ve won a few. I’d like to win more.


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NIL is why I don’t feel good about relying on the transfer portal. We got outbid last offseason. Have we made the adjustments we’ll need to make to avoid that this upcoming offseason? The 2023 class suggests that we haven’t. 

We have to hope desperate times call for desperate measures. We will find out how important winning is.


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1 minute ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

Naive. I think you are misappropriating Newton and Cupps.

Indiana has historically always been able to get low end 4 stars. Every coach ever at Indiana. That’s generally our sweet spot. The 5 stars, high end 4s, things get interesting. However Cody Zellers exist. Yogi Ferrells exist. Some recruitments are easier to read than others. Cupps and Newton were not likely NIL dependent recruitments. Thus the success. Flory Bidunga is a NIL recruitment. So many others are as well. We haven’t particularly boded well in bidding war recruitments pre or post Nil. Although we’ve won a few. I’d like to win more.


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IIU is probably using the NIL the way it is meant to be used. You aren't allowed to just offer guys money during the recruitment to get them to come to your school.  You are supposed to have NIL setup for kids once they sign with you and gives kids a chance to make no eye. Teams like Mia I will have trouble once they get some safeguards out in to li.it what can be done concerning NIL 

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1 minute ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

We have to hope desperate times call for desperate measures. We will find out how important winning is.


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Hope IU never has the win at any cost attitude 

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IIU is probably using the NIL the way it is meant to be used. You aren't allowed to just offer guys money during the recruitment to get them to come to your school.  You are supposed to have NIL setup for kids once they sign with you and gives kids a chance to make no eye. Teams like Mia I will have trouble once they get some safeguards out in to li.it what can be done concerning NIL 

You’ve got to be kidding me at this point. Have you not paid attention to NCAA over the past 10 years. No teeth. And now with NIL it’s wide open. Nil was the NCAA invitation to the bluebloods to appropriately compensate players, wink wink. Everyone knows what’s going on. If anything the NCAA was going to be open to legal ramifications by not allowing player compensation. The creative advance, the cowardly lose proudly. Indiana, I believe is trying to be creative. They might need to reassess market value because they are recruiting a ton of top 30 guys in 24 and 25. We won’t win many of those recruitments without strong @$$ offers.


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https://www.bestcolleges.com/news/analysis/what-is-nil-in-college-sports/#:~:text=Student-athletes are required to,services provider for NIL activities.

[WayneFleekHoosier 51,259]

https://www.bestcolleges.com/news/analysis/what-is-nil-in-college-sports/#:~:text=Student-athletes are required to,services provider for NIL activities.

Yes, I understand that.


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