IUBB vs Wisconsin - 02/15/22 @ 9:00 on ESPN2

[RaceToTheTop]

2 minutes ago, MikeRoberts said:

This staff has enabled Lazieness all season! 
 

firm in one area, matador who gives a crap in a another. Makes zero sense 

So your solution is just to enable everything.  Got it.

[MikeRoberts]

8 minutes ago, brumdog45 said:

You do know Northwestern was a 1 point favorite?  The players were gassed at the end but I'm not convinced that we ever get up 7 in the second half with our normal rotation.

It was a coin flip game WITH all of our guys.  Not having Lander or Durr was irrelevant.  And if you think that X, Stewart, and X make us automatically win that game, I'll introduce exhibit A:  X, Stewart, and Bates' combined 6 of 29 shooting yesterday.

Seriously, exactly what has any of the suspended players done that has deserved leniency?

You are all over the place, not sure what you are even arguing at this point. We also played a walk on that game because we had zero subs, by your logic, we shouldn’t have played him either right? Because he has given us exactly zero all season… maybe we should have just played with 3 guys? 
we missed them because we had no subs. We had nowhere to go. The decision almost guaranteed us the loss in a very needed and winnable game.
 

That’s fine if it works. It didn’t and since that game have been in an absolute spiral. It backfired big time. It sent no message other than we are headed to the NIT

[IU - Kaulie]

1 hour ago, Uspshoosier said:

People going to act like if all 5 players played in the game that IU was going to automatically win that game?   Bold take.  Team has struggled all year on the road.  

100%. This is what i have been trying to say but you said it better.  2/5 might not have even played and I would argue another one hurts us more than helps us being on the floor.  No guarantees.

[MikeRoberts]

11 minutes ago, brumdog45 said:

So your solution is just to enable everything.  Got it.

So your solution is to make one off hard stances but allow everything else on the daily?

Got it! Consistency matters when you are trying to develop culture, likely the most important factor

[IU - Kaulie]

1 hour ago, HoosierHoopster said:

Addressed this already but there are all kinds if punishments used by coaches short of benching 5 players and causing a loss. Early morning practices with sprints etc. that’s pretty common, happens with other teams a lot. But we have to bench 5?

this penalized the whole team by causing a loss and just maybe missing the ncaa tourney. Attitude? It’s not an attitude, it’s about what the appropriate penalty or punishment was for what was a relatively minor team rule violation.   Like i said, may not be popular, but it’s not about attitude 

Team game.  Team rules.  CMW laid it out there.  He loves his kids but his rule is if you violate team rules then you don’t play.  No running stairs or whatever.  The message is you don’t play period. I love it.  I bet the players that did play were more upset with those 5 players than Woodson because everyone knows the requirements and expectations.  

[Hoosierfan2017]

30 minutes ago, IU Scott said:

What a terrible take, action has consequences. That is what is wrong with our society is that there is no discipline any longer

Our players snuck out to smoke some weed. They didn’t rob somebody. They didn’t drive drunk. What they did wasn’t even illegal. Punish them in a way that punishes them and not the team. IU fans love to be self-righteous and then the fans of the real programs sit around laughing at us as we miss the tournament year after year. 

[MikeRoberts]

1 minute ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

Our players snuck out to smoke some weed. They didn’t rob somebody. They didn’t drive drunk. What they did wasn’t even illegal. Punish them in a way that punishes them and not the team. IU fans love to be self-righteous and then the real programs sit around laughing at us as we miss the tournament year after year. 

I agree. I wouldn’t even be opposed to the suspension but it was so strange. What does it matter if guys are in bed early or out late the night before the game if they are just going to show up, start, and then stand around regardless? Over and over and over again? 

you put forth rules like that to ensure players are   able to put forth 100% effort. But effort is optional around here, you start either way. 

its just incredibly weird. What is the overall point of the rule and the suspension if you are just going to allow players to stand around without repercussions?

[IU - Kaulie]

3 minutes ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

Our players snuck out to smoke some weed. They didn’t rob somebody. They didn’t drive drunk. What they did wasn’t even illegal. Punish them in a way that punishes them and not the team. IU fans love to be self-righteous and then the fans of the real programs sit around laughing at us as we miss the tournament year after year. 

Nope.
CMW has said that if his players violate team rules then the punishment is they don’t play.  Simple.  The players knew the deal.  It’s their choice.  Choices have consequences.  

[IU Scott]

6 minutes ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

Our players snuck out to smoke some weed. They didn’t rob somebody. They didn’t drive drunk. What they did wasn’t even illegal. Punish them in a way that punishes them and not the team. IU fans love to be self-righteous and then the fans of the real programs sit around laughing at us as we miss the tournament year after year. 

I would bet you are very young and haven't dealt with real punishment.  One breaking curfew is against team rules, plus weed is illegal in Indiana which made them breaking laws.  Also I had coaches make everyone run even though.one person made the mistakes.  You are a team and when a few break the rules everyone pays.

[MikeRoberts]

Just now, IU - Kaulie said:

Nope.
CMW has said that if his players violate team rules then the punishment is they don’t play.  Simple.  The players knew the deal.  It’s their choice.  Choices have consequences.  

Rule numero uno should be effort but that apparently isn’t in the rules.

hard to take anything else seriously if effort of all things isnt a mandate

[RaceToTheTop]

28 minutes ago, MikeRoberts said:

 

That’s fine if it works. It didn’t and since that game have been in an absolute spiral. It backfired big time. It sent no message other than we are headed to the NIT

We will have had 30+ games to show we're an NCAA team.  If you want to blame it on one game, you  haven't been paying attention.

[RaceToTheTop]

1 minute ago, MikeRoberts said:

Rule numero uno should be effort but that apparently isn’t in the rules.

hard to take anything else seriously if effort of all things isnt a mandate

Cool.  The effort police here to say who has it.

[IU Scott]

Just now, MikeRoberts said:

Rule numero uno should be effort but that apparently isn’t in the rules.

hard to take anything else seriously if effort of all things isnt a mandate

This team plays with a lot of effort and effort is not a problem with this team.  If you listened to Woodson in his press conference he talked about having tbe shooters stationary.  He wants to post TJD and have shooters lime Stewart stationary fir kick out shots.

[IU - Kaulie]

2 minutes ago, MikeRoberts said:

I agree. I wouldn’t even be opposed to the suspension but it was so strange. What does it matter if guys are in bed early or out late the night before the game if they are just going to show up, start, and then stand around regardless? Over and over and over again? 

you put forth rules like that to ensure players are   able to put forth 100% effort. But effort is optional around here, you start either way. 

its just incredibly weird. What is the overall point of the rule and the suspension if you are just going to allow players to stand around without repercussions?

I’m not sure what you keep trying to get at here.  CMW has already suspended Parker twice and has reduced his minutes and took away his starters spot (which is a huge deal to a player).  He also got in his face for all to see after his skirmish with Davison.  What do you want him to do?  Kick him off the team because he struggles at basketball?  CMW didn’t recruit him.

[MikeRoberts]

15 minutes ago, brumdog45 said:

We will have had 30+ games to show we're an NCAA team.  If you want to blame it on one game, you  haven't been paying attention.

That literally makes zero sense. 
 

it’s the body of work and our body of work was good enough going into that game and has not been since. The players did not respond at all to woody’s laying down the law and have in fact regressed to the point we are headed towards not making the tourney.

hard to tell if you are serious sometimes 

[RaceToTheTop]

3 minutes ago, IU Scott said:

I would bet you are very young and haven't dealt with real punishment.  One breaking curfew is against team rules, plus weed is illegal in Indiana which made them breaking laws.  Also I had coaches make everyone run even though.one person made the mistakes.  You are a team and when a few break the rules everyone pays.

As I've said, when five players break curfew, it is a concerted effort to hold the coach hostage in his punishment.  Letting them call a bluff is counterproductive and results in bad things going forward.

[MikeRoberts]

2 minutes ago, brumdog45 said:

Cool.  The effort police here to say who has it.

Again, what on earth are you even arguing? Are you at all trying to suggest that Parker Stewart has played with effort this season? 
 

he starts regardless. That sets the wrong tone and culture. Go back and watch him and only him on every possession and see if you believe what you are typing 

[RaceToTheTop]

Just now, MikeRoberts said:

That lie literally makes zero sense. 
 

it’s the body of work and our body of work was good enough going into that game and has not been since. The players did not respond at all to woody’s laying down the law and have in fact regressed to the point we are headed towards not making the tourney.

hard to tell if you are serious sometimes 

Since you think that players shouldn't really be held accountable, I could care less if you think I'm serious.

The players regressed?  I guess you missed the Illinois game prior to Northwestern.

[Hoosierfan2017]

11 minutes ago, IU - Kaulie said:

Nope.
CMW has said that if his players violate team rules then the punishment is they don’t play.  Simple.  The players knew the deal.  It’s their choice.  Choices have consequences.  

You’re right, choices have consequences. Woody chose to suspend our players for a very winnable road game because of a minor infraction and now we’re very much on the bubble. Woody wants to act like Bob Knight decades after Knight’s philosophy went out the window and without Knight’s resume. 

[IU Scott]

8 minutes ago, brumdog45 said:

As I've said, when five players break curfew, it is a concerted effort to hold the coach hostage in his punishment.  Letting them call a bluff is counterproductive and results in bad things going forward.

I just can't believe there are people who is questioning punishing these players.  Kind of worries me because this society is going downhill because people are not accountable for their actions.  I had to go to the office a couple of times in 4th grade and the second time got a paddle.  That was the last time I ever had to go to the principal office.  Did I Like getting paddled, no but I learned from it.