Super Bowl 55

[cthomas 6,725]

2 minutes ago, LIHoosier said:

KC's O-line is so bad the streaker had a free shot on Mahomes.

Oops, had this in the IU/Iowa thread :/

That's good enough to be posted in any thread.

[theriverpilot 6,743]

The refs set the tone early for the Chiefs D so they couldn’t be as aggressive, but whew, the Chiefs O line was miserable tonight. I don’t think #77 has made a block all night. He should forfeit his game check


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[Hoosierfan2017 25,285]

Beat Brees, Rodgers, and Mahomes in one playoff run. GOAT. Always a pleasure to watch him play. 

[Hovadipo 62,300]

Another Lombardi Trophy for Antwaan!

[Josh 13,305]

8 hours ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

Beat Brees, Rodgers, and Mahomes in one playoff run. GOAT. Always a pleasure to watch him play. 

You mean that team beat those other teams.

Football is the ultimate team sport and all those qbs had to rely on an entire team to win or lose

[LamarCheeks 22,402]

10 hours ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

Beat Brees, Rodgers, and Mahomes in one playoff run. GOAT. Always a pleasure to watch him play. 

You forgot Taylor Heinicke! ... Only joking ... I live about 15 minutes from ODU and folks here love him. 

[Hoosierfan2017 25,285]

3 hours ago, Josh said:

You mean that team beat those other teams.

Football is the ultimate team sport and all those qbs had to rely on an entire team to win or lose

Yep, the team beat those other teams! And they were led by the greatest leader in professional sports. 

Tom Brady would be the first guy to tell you that his whole team won the game and give credit to everyone but himself. And his teammates would be the first to tell you how big of an impact he made on this team and the team's culture. From not making the playoffs since 2008 to winning in Tom's first year. We always heard about the "Patriot Way," but maybe it was really the "Tom Brady Way" all along. 

[JSHoosier 22,276]

4 hours ago, Josh said:

You mean that team beat those other teams.

Football is the ultimate team sport and all those qbs had to rely on an entire team to win or lose

Yes, the concept of team is ingrained into every aspect of football.  QB play still makes a huge impact on a team's fortunes, maybe more of an impact than any other position on the team. Without Brady that Tampa team didn't make the playoffs last year.  The team won, he'd be the first to say that, but he had a huge impact on that team and his teammates would be the first to admit that.

New coaches, new system, new teammates, no preseason to learn, at 43.  He's the GOAT, there's no argument against it.  At this point people should just enjoy watching what he can do instead of trying grasp onto hairs to minimize what he's done.

[NashvilleHoosier 3,914]

Crowd sourcing some info I can't find. For a pool at work I need to know if there were any challenges initiated by coaches last night and if so, o/u 1.5?

[HoosierAloha 30,102]

31 minutes ago, NashvilleHoosier said:

Crowd sourcing some info I can't find. For a pool at work I need to know if there were any challenges initiated by coaches last night and if so, o/u 1.5?

I believe there was one by Tampa in the first half on the goal line when they didn't score.

[Josh 13,305]

Greatest leader??  Leaders shake hands after losses.  Leaders are good sports.  Leaders don't cheat.

Brady is none of the above.  There's really no disputing that.

Brady didn't beat Mahomes.  He didn't even play against him.  The Bucs defense wrecked Mahomes.  Brady just gets all the credit.  The Bucs defense sacked Rodgers 5 times and turned him over twice.  Brady just gets all the credit.  The Bucs defense intercepted Brees 3 times.  Brady just gets all the credit.

I don't get it.

[Stuhoo 91,124]

2 minutes ago, Josh said:

Greatest leader??  Leaders shake hands after losses.  Leaders are good sports.  Leaders don't cheat.

Brady is none of the above.  There's really no disputing that.

Brady didn't beat Mahomes.  He didn't even play against him.  The Bucs defense wrecked Mahomes.  Brady just gets all the credit.  The Bucs defense sacked Rodgers 5 times and turned him over twice.  Brady just gets all the credit.  The Bucs defense intercepted Brees 3 times.  Brady just gets all the credit.

I don't get it.

 

There is no doubt that most effective on-field performance last night was by Tampa's defense, and more specifically their defensive line.

Brady had a good game on field. However, Brady is obviously more than just an effective on-field performer. I suppose you can call Brady a "cheater" ... deflate gate? Really? Not persuasive to me at all. Doesn't shake hands after losses? Yeah, accused of that twice in 20-something years. Are we saying that Isaih Thomas was not a leader of the Pistons championship teams because he led his guys to a walk-out in the last ten seconds of a game when they got stomped by the Bulls? Are we?? Are we??!!??

Brady not only plays very well, he is the undisputed on-field and locker room leader of the formerly hapless team that just won the Super Bowl. It is not a coincidence:

• Tom Brady has now personally won more Super Bowls than any NFL team in history.

 

[Josh 13,305]

4 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

 

• Tom Brady has now personally won more Super Bowls than any NFL team in history.

 

Tom Brady did not personally win any Super Bowls.  The team he played for did.  The teams with amazing defenses that kept Patrick Mahomes TDless.  The defense that picked off Drew Brees 3 times.  Football is the ultimate team sport.  Why do people give Brady all the credit for his amazing teams?

I'm sorry, your team accomplishments don't make Brady the best.

I'm sorry, a poor sport who doesn't shake hands after losses (multiple times...not two like you suggested) is not a good leader.  A man who cheated, lied about it and destroyed his phone to hide evidence is not a leader.  (Really now, you're in law...does destroying evidence make you innocent?)

 

[Stuhoo 91,124]

15 minutes ago, Josh said:

Tom Brady did not personally win any Super Bowls.  The team he played for did.  The teams with amazing defenses that kept Patrick Mahomes TDless.  The defense that picked off Drew Brees 3 times.  Football is the ultimate team sport.  Why do people give Brady all the credit for his amazing teams?

I'm sorry, your team accomplishments don't make Brady the best.

I'm sorry, a poor sport who doesn't shake hands after losses (multiple times...not two like you suggested) is not a good leader.  A man who cheated, lied about it and destroyed his phone to hide evidence is not a leader.  (Really now, you're in law...does destroying evidence make you innocent?)

 

 

1. The finder of fact determines what is relevant evidence, and how relatively important its weight is.
2. (not that we're talking about criminal behavior, but) not all inappropriate activity is created equal.
3. NO ONE in the history of the legal system has ever been adjudicated "innocent."
4. Almost all adjudications of guilt are NOT life sentences; the vast majority have de minimus penalties. Steal from a cash register? No jail time. A $50-100 k white collar crime under the federal sentencing guidelines with an admission of guilt and plea? No jail time under the guidelines. Likely six months home detention and three years probation (more or less). MAYBE being privy to deflating a football that both teams were using?

Conclusion? The entirety of examples--failure to shake hands and a one time pull of a few pounds of air pressure--from a 20 year career, do not seem to sully the entire legacy of leadership. 

 

 

 

 

[Josh 13,305]

1 minute ago, Stuhoo said:

 

1. The finder of fact determines what is relevant evidence, and how relatively important its weight is.
2. (not that we're talking about criminal behavior, but) not all inappropriate activity is created equal.
3. NO ONE in the history of the legal system has ever been adjudicated "innocent."
4. Almost all adjudications of guilt are NOT life sentences; the vast majority have de minimus penalties. Steal from a cash register? No jail time. A $50-100 k white collar crime under the federal sentencing guidelines with an admission of guilt and plea? No jail time under the guidelines. Likely six months home detention and three years probation (more or less). MAYBE being privy to deflating a football that both teams were using?

Conclusion? The entirety of examples--failure to shake hands and a one time pull of a few pounds of air pressure--from a 20 year career, do not seem to sully the entire legacy of leadership. 

 

 

 

 

Law speak.

But the preponderance of evidence shows that he's a cheat.  And a poor sport.  And not a good leader 

And should not get all the credit for an entire team's wins.  The defense had as much if not more to do with the win than the poor sport cheat.

[Hoosierfan2017 25,285]

15 minutes ago, Josh said:

Tom Brady did not personally win any Super Bowls.  The team he played for did.  The teams with amazing defenses that kept Patrick Mahomes TDless.  The defense that picked off Drew Brees 3 times.  Football is the ultimate team sport.  Why do people give Brady all the credit for his amazing teams?

I'm sorry, your team accomplishments don't make Brady the best.

I'm sorry, a poor sport who doesn't shake hands after losses (multiple times...not two like you suggested) is not a good leader.  A man who cheated, lied about it and destroyed his phone to hide evidence is not a leader.  (Really now, you're in law...does destroying evidence make you innocent?)

 

Brady’s amazing team went 7-9 last year and completely missed the playoffs. He came in and completely changed the culture of the organization. Just look at the comments from players about Brady ripping into them when they won the NFC championship game. The job wasn’t finished yet, and Brady made sure they knew it. And then that team came out possessed from the very start of last night’s game. For the better part of two decades we heard over and over that Brady can’t win without Belichick. Then Brady won it all at 43 in his first year without him.

“Tom Brady did not personally win those Super Bowls.” Sure, you can say that about any team sports player. Do you think that there is no GOAT in any of the team sports? If so, ok, that makes sense. But if you don’t think that, then I’m not sure why it’s relevant. Do you think there’s a GOAT nfl quarterback? 
 

And I couldn’t care less about him not shaking hands with the other team when he loses. If anything, if I’m on a team I’d rather my quarterback be so pissed about losing that he heads straight to the locker room than be yucking it up with the other team after getting stomped.

[Josh 13,305]

15 minutes ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

Brady’s amazing team went 7-9 last year and completely missed the playoffs. He came in and completely changed the culture of the organization. Just look at the comments from players about Brady ripping into them when they won the NFC championship game. The job wasn’t finished yet, and Brady made sure they knew it. And then that team came out possessed from the very start of last night’s game. For the better part of two decades we heard over and over that Brady can’t win without Belichick. Then Brady won it all at 43 in his first year without him.

“Tom Brady did not personally win those Super Bowls.” Sure, you can say that about any team sports player. Do you think that there is no GOAT in any of the team sports? If so, ok, that makes sense. But if you don’t think that, then I’m not sure why it’s relevant. Do you think there’s a GOAT nfl quarterback? 
 

And I couldn’t care less about him not shaking hands with the other team when he loses. If anything, if I’m on a team I’d rather my quarterback be so pissed about losing that he heads straight to the locker room than be yucking it up with the other team after getting stomped.

I think a leader shakes hands regardless.  I've seen on here that he's the best leader...that's what I'm disputing.  Great leaders don't cheat, they shake hands after losses  

As for "all time"...maybe that's where my problem lies.  Most people who call him Greatest Of All Time have no idea who Otto Graham is.  No idea who Jim Thorpe is.  No idea who YA Tittle is.  No idea of Johnny Unitas.  They're just talking out their @$$ to feel good about seeing the "greatest of all time" 

Football is the ultimate team sport.  I don't think these "greatest of all time " people get that.

[Hoosierfan2017 25,285]

8 minutes ago, Josh said:

I think a leader shakes hands regardless.  I've seen on here that he's the best leader...that's what I'm disputing.  Great leaders don't cheat, they shake hands after losses  

As for "all time"...maybe that's where my problem lies.  Most people who call him Greatest Of All Time have no idea who Otto Graham is.  No idea who Jim Thorpe is.  No idea who YA Tittle is.  No idea of Johnny Unitas.  They're just talking out their @$$ to feel good about seeing the "greatest of all time" 

Football is the ultimate team sport.  I don't think these "greatest of all time " people get that.

You keep repeating your “football is the ultimate team sport” line. Sure, it’s the ultimate team sport. Quarterback is part of the team. Arguably the most important offensive player because they touch the ball every play. Tom Brady has quarterbacked better than anyone else in NFL history. 

[IUc2016 7,121]

1 minute ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

You keep repeating your “football is the ultimate team sport” line. Sure, it’s the ultimate team sport. Quarterback is part of the team. Arguably the most important offensive player because they touch the ball every play. Tom Brady has quarterbacked better than anyone else in NFL history. 

Yeah I guess I don't understand how this is hard to understand or even arguable?

[Stuhoo 91,124]

Let's Play: Rate the Cheater/Leadership Scandals! (sneak peek-Otto Graham...you're clean!)

 

1) Jim Thorpe was stripped of gold medals won in the 1912 Stockholm Games after being ruled a professional for earning $25 playing baseball. The 3.03% inflation rate means $25 in 1910 is equivalent to $685.46 today.

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2) He was an iceman, a quality that enabled him to perform clinically during a game but didn't permit his teammates to become close to him. "I never really knew John," said Hall of Fame wide receiver Raymond Berry, who spent hour after hour taking practice passes from Mr. Unitas.

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3) At halftime, NFL officials inspected the footballs. Former NFL referee Gerry Austin initially, and incorrectly, stated that 11 of the 12 balls used by the Patriots were measured to be two pounds per square inch below the minimum amount,^[17][18] but later reports refuted this allegation, citing only a single ball was two pounds per square inch below the minimum, while others were just a few ticks under the minimum.^[19] It was subsequently revealed that in NFL Official Clete Blakeman's measurement sequence (deemed the more accurate of the two gauges), five of eleven footballs measured below 11.0 pounds, this being less than 90% of the officially mandated minimum pressure and a full two pounds below the claimed original inflation target (a magnitude of pressure loss difficult to account for through environmental factors alone).