So some concerns I’m having...

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4 minutes ago, Ranger78 said:

It’s how we work these days... Alabama loses the national championship game and everyone starts talking about how Saban has lost the reign. Everything is so ‘NOW’ related and few have any patience to let anything grow. I’m not sure Coach Miller is the answer and I’m getting less and less excited about IU basketball, but we must give him a chance. If we beat PU on Saturday, we won’t be any closer to the answer. The answer takes time.


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I’m all for giving Archie some time. 4 years in fact if he gets Brooks. But if 20-21 is not a year where the system is showing results it will be time to talk. Atm my faith is greatly diminished. 

[Bailey7878 2,506]

I’m all for giving Archie some time. 4 years in fact if he gets Brooks. But if 20-21 is not a year where the system is showing results it will be time to talk. Atm my faith is greatly diminished. 

I agree by year four he needs to be showing results. Really by next year we should not be missing the ncaa in his third year. That would be concerning to me.

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[ap2345 7,571]

Can someone explain to me what the offensive system is. I’m not seeing it and if it’s as simple as the players won’t run what the coaches want then there are accountability issues. I’m just trying to figure this out and all I here is give CAM time but I’m sorry if you don’t have an offensive system in place now that utilizes your best offensive abilities I don’t know what to tell you.


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Can someone explain to me what the offensive system is. I’m not seeing it and if it’s as simple as the players won’t run what the coaches want then there are accountability issues. I’m just trying to figure this out and all I here is give CAM time but I’m sorry if you don’t have an offensive system in place now that utilizes your best offensive abilities I don’t know what to tell you.


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https://bballtools.com/offense/archie-miller-half-court-offense-iu-basketball/


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[Ranger78 1,293]

4 years sounds reasonable. I have faith in something much higher than Coach Miller. And I’ve thought about a ****** and grab of Coach Knight to bring him back to center court of AH to break the curse.

I do know this - people that love IU should really hope for Archie to succeed, because, I’m not sure where we go from here.


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Can someone explain to me what the offensive system is. I’m not seeing it and if it’s as simple as the players won’t run what the coaches want then there are accountability issues. I’m just trying to figure this out and all I here is give CAM time but I’m sorry if you don’t have an offensive system in place now that utilizes your best offensive abilities I don’t know what to tell you.


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This to me is the concern. I can forgive the fact that we're not scoring a lot because we have no shooters, and that's not Archie's fault as he only has 1 recruiting class. But I'm not seeing a system that will translate once we get the players. Thank goodness for Langford and Morgan being able to score on their own because they almost never score from an offensive set. It's all Romeo driving from behind the 3 point line or Morgan catching from a stand still and going to work. Smith isn't a great offensive player, but a guy that athletic should be slashing and coming off screens, using his strength and leaping ability to get shots at the rim. Instead, he's usually going off the dribble too, which is not his strength.

A good coach figures out how to minimize a player's weaknesses and maximize strengths. It's how Belichick has made the Patriots amazing. He doesn't have guys with the most overall talent, but he finds what they do really well and makes sure to maximize that. Beilein does a good job with that too. Michigan got so many better looks than us. I'm not seeing anything with Archie evolving to fit the team. Without shooters, I don't expect this team to be great offensively, but it shouldn't be this hard, and that concerns media the future.


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[Bailey7878 2,506]

4 years sounds reasonable. I have faith in something much higher than Coach Miller. And I’ve thought about a ****** and grab of Coach Knight to bring him back to center court of AH to break the curse.

I do know this - people that love IU should really hope for Archie to succeed, because, I’m not sure where we go from here.


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I agree and honestly even if he isnt that great after four years then what? I honestly think this is our last crack at this or we will just be an average destination going forward for coaches. This is our fourth try at this now.

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1 hour ago, ap2345 said:

Can someone explain to me what the offensive system is. I’m not seeing it and if it’s as simple as the players won’t run what the coaches want then there are accountability issues. I’m just trying to figure this out and all I here is give CAM time but I’m sorry if you don’t have an offensive system in place now that utilizes your best offensive abilities I don’t know what to tell you.


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It’s a very sophisticated three-prong system:

1) run a bit of the Crean weave

2) have Morgan post up and try to get him the ball via a bounce pass

3) kick the ball out to Romeo, preferably 25 feet or so from the basket, and see if he can get to the hole by getting past 3-4 defenders 

[ap2345 7,571]

Also I keep hearing people say that we don’t have shooters but here is my question? Why isn’t the staff recruiting them? Anderson is and Hunter might be but he isn’t a shooter in my mind as he is more of a scorer. In 19 Franklin is decent but he isn’t a lights out shooter and KB isn’t really a shooter imo. Mortan is the only primary target in 20 because love isn’t a shooter at all and they haven’t offered Leal? I’m not looking at 21 yet because that is pretty far off. We did target a couple grad transfers but they went elsewhere because of Romeo so we ended up with Fitzner and that hasn’t worked out well.


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Also I keep hearing people say that we don’t have shooters but here is my question? Why isn’t the staff recruiting them? Anderson is and Hunter might be but he isn’t a shooter in my mind as he is more of a scorer. In 19 Franklin is decent but he isn’t a lights out shooter and KB isn’t really a shooter imo. Mortan is the only primary target in 20 because love isn’t a shooter at all and they haven’t offered Leal? I’m not looking at 21 yet because that is pretty far off. We did target a couple grad transfers but they went elsewhere because of Romeo so we ended up with Fitzner and that hasn’t worked out well.


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Exactly. Why arent we signing shooters? Its an easy excuse but its also on the staff.

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Exactly. Why arent we signing shooters? Its an easy excuse but its also on the staff.

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Archie brought in one class that included Phin, Romeo, and Damezi who are all guys who can shoot and then added a supposed 3PT specialist in Fitzner that obviously hasn’t panned out. Phin has been
a pleasant surprise when healthy, Romeo’s three has been non-existent till just recently, and Damezi is too much of a defensive liability at the moment.

Archie has a defense first philosophy as well, and his offensive objective is to take it to the hoop and draw fouls. He doesn’t want these guys taking a ton of threes, but they should hit when they do.

Perfectly laid plans and such....


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The system would look night and day better if we had shooters to spread the floor.

Get the ball into the post and play out of it. Morgan is a good and willing passer. The problem lies in the other four off ball defenders sagging in to clog the lane. That causes problems for Morgan finishing or dumping it to a slashing Smith, where he would be best utilized.

Romeo driving would also look quite different if he were able to kick it to a Hulls, Watford, or any other great shooter or dumping it off to a slashing Smith.

The offense doesn’t run smoothly because teams would love nothing more than for us to chuck from deep. Forcing plays into the lane has also caused turnovers and easy buckets for the opposition. When Archie’s system is running properly we’re helping on defense and forcing contested outside shots. On offense we’re getting to the lane and drawing fouls and/or finishing. I think the fact they have a high 2FG% is telling in what they want to do. If we had better and more proven shooters to space the floor we might actually shoot even better from two while getting points on wide open threes.

Things take time, systems take time to get the personnel in and personnel already here to develop. Durham, Phin, Anderson, and Hunter will all be capable shooters at IU.


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20 minutes ago, HoosierAloha said:

The system would look night and day better if we had shooters to spread the floor.

Get the ball into the post and play out of it. Morgan is a good and willing passer. The problem lies in the other four off ball defenders sagging in to clog the lane. That causes problems for Morgan finishing or dumping it to a slashing Smith, where he would be best utilized.

Romeo driving would also look quite different if he were able to kick it to a Hulls, Watford, or any other great shooter or dumping it off to a slashing Smith.

The offense doesn’t run smoothly because teams would love nothing more than for us to chuck from deep. Forcing plays into the lane has also caused turnovers and easy buckets for the opposition. When Archie’s system is running properly we’re helping on defense and forcing contested outside shots. On offense we’re getting to the lane and drawing fouls and/or finishing. I think the fact they have a high 2FG% is telling in what they want to do. If we had better and more proven shooters to space the floor we might actually shoot even better from two while getting points on wide open threes.

Things take time, systems take time to get the personnel in and personnel already here to develop. Durham, Phin, Anderson, and Hunter will all be capable shooters at IU.


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I commented about this on another post, but did you hear Miles coming out of that TO the other day, tell his team, "we know they are going to get it to Morgan and Langford, the usual suspects."???

If Tim Miles knows what they're doing, and I know what they're doing, don't you think every coach in the country knows how to guard this team? There must be more scoring options, if nothing else to keep defenses honest. Against Nebraska, all they needed to do was block up the lane and get rebounds. Same against MD to some extent (until Romeo got hot).

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The system would look night and day better if we had shooters to spread the floor.

Get the ball into the post and play out of it. Morgan is a good and willing passer. The problem lies in the other four off ball defenders sagging in to clog the lane. That causes problems for Morgan finishing or dumping it to a slashing Smith, where he would be best utilized.

Romeo driving would also look quite different if he were able to kick it to a Hulls, Watford, or any other great shooter or dumping it off to a slashing Smith.

The offense doesn’t run smoothly because teams would love nothing more than for us to chuck from deep. Forcing plays into the lane has also caused turnovers and easy buckets for the opposition. When Archie’s system is running properly we’re helping on defense and forcing contested outside shots. On offense we’re getting to the lane and drawing fouls and/or finishing. I think the fact they have a high 2FG% is telling in what they want to do. If we had better and more proven shooters to space the floor we might actually shoot even better from two while getting points on wide open threes.

Things take time, systems take time to get the personnel in and personnel already here to develop. Durham, Phin, Anderson, and Hunter will all be capable shooters at IU.


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But we dont have shooters and we have none coming in next year. So in my mind ypu need to make adjustments to the offense instead of excuses.

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12 minutes ago, Bailey7878 said:

But we dont have shooters and we have none coming in next year. So in my mind ypu need to make adjustments to the offense instead of excuses.

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I agree with Aloha that some of these guys could develop into shooters.. However, to win NOW, adjustments need to be made like last month. I know I'm not as smart as coaches and guys close to the program, but I do know that if I can gameplan for this team from my couch, the Izzo's, K's, and Belien's of the world are going to have a field day.

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But we dont have shooters and we have none coming in next year. So in my mind ypu need to make adjustments to the offense instead of excuses.

 

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He has. We take 17.2 3 pointers per game which is 336 out of 353 teams while being the team shooting the least 3s of all power 5 teams. You know how you guard a team that can’t shoot? You pack the lane. You can’t change the offense when you have one legit player that can get to the rim on his own on a team that can’t shoot. You do your best to create mismatches which is what we do. It’s not like every team in America can’t see what the other teams are doing. Our offense has been changed. Our freshman he brought in will have to be able to improve from this year to next shooting the ball. More times than not that’s what happens when you get kids like Phinisee and try and build a team. He will be night and day difference next year. Damezi will be better. Hunter we will just have to see. In four years you would never see a player like Phinisee he asked to come in and get 25-30 min.

 

 

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5 minutes ago, mdn82 said:

He has. We take 17.2 3 pointers per game which is 336 out of 353 teams while being the team shooting the least 3s of all power 5 teams. You know how you guard a team that can’t shoot? You pack the lane. You can’t change the offense when you have one legit player that can get to the rim on his own on a team that can’t shoot. You do your best to create mismatches which is what we do. It’s not like every team in America can’t see what the other teams are doing. Our offense has been changed. Our freshman he brought in will have to be able to improve from this year to next shooting the ball. More times than not that’s what happens when you get kids like Phinisee and try and build a team. He will be night and day difference next year. Damezi will be better. Hunter we will just have to see. In four years you would never see a player like Phinisee he asked to come in and get 25-30 min.

 

 

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Good points.. I guess you can't get blood from a turnip.  

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Good points.. I guess you can't get blood from a turnip.  

Yeah my thing more than the offense or defense is he has to continue upgrading the talent level while making it a more cohesive group. IMO, it feels like certain players just don’t play well with others. Not a lot of continuity at all. It’s almost like it’s the 2 upper classes, last years class, and the freshman class all doing their own thing. Running through the motions and not engaged. Is it because Romeo and Juwan are so heavily relied upon? I honestly don’t know. But it’s up to Archie to figure that out.

 

 

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[Feathery 4,005]

Need a consistent 3rd option. Green isn’t that guy. The rest are too young to be consistent. Beyond Romeo, the rest of the class are 4 year guys, not freshmen superstars. I still think we make the NCAA’s. If not, Archie is on a warm seat next year.  

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5 minutes ago, mdn82 said:

Yeah my thing more than the offense or defense is he has to continue upgrading the talent level while making it more cohesive group. IMO, it feels like certain players just don’t play well with others. Not a lot of continuity at all. It’s almost like it’s the 2 upper classes, last years class, and the freshman class all doing their own thing. Running through the motions.


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That does make sense.. Seems to be a disconnect between players. It's strange because you'd think all the practice time these guys have together, the #1 thing would be building cohesiveness. From day 1.