Indiana @ Penn State Official Game Thread 9/30 - 330 on BTN

[JSHoosier 20,462]

2 minutes ago, mdn82 said:

Our DBs have to learn to turn their heads.


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No kidding.  A TD earlier doesn't happen if the DB turns his head.

[TheWatShot 14,265]

7 minutes ago, TXHoosierDaddy said:

Anyone seen OldFriend lately to tell us all how good Lagow is? 

Congrats, you just joined his "stalker" list.

[TXHoosierDaddy 1,375]

Just now, JSHoosier said:

I think Old Friend's point was more that both Ramsey and Lagow have limitations, and I'd agree.  Just given the difference in age and potential I've prefer Lagow have to buy a ticket to see the field.

He was very defensive when you brought up anything negative about Lagow. And at this point i would agree. What's the point of playing Lagow with his deficiencies? Live and learn with Ramsey who will be with the program for another 2.5 years and could really improve from the experience. 

[TXHoosierDaddy 1,375]

Lest's hope Riggins and Ball are healthy for Michigan. We can beat them with a full arsenol. If it wasn't for ST we would be right in this. The biggest concern for me is the offense and specifically the playcalling. 

[JSHoosier 20,462]

Just now, TXHoosierDaddy said:

Lest's hope Riggins and Ball are healthy for Michigan. We can beat them with a full arsenol. If it wasn't for ST we would be right in this. The biggest concern for me is the offense and specifically the playcalling. 

Sadly I don't think the playcalling will change.  Oh how I wish we'd have hired an OC that runs a pro style system.

[TXHoosierDaddy 1,375]

1 minute ago, JSHoosier said:

Sadly I don't think the playcalling will change.  Oh how I wish we'd have hired an OC that runs a pro style system.

I would love to have Matt Canada back. If Orgeron gets fired at LSU maybe it's possible. Although I am thinking Debord gets at least 2-3 years. 

[Old Friend 8,389]

2 minutes ago, TXHoosierDaddy said:

He was very defensive when you brought up anything negative about Lagow. And at this point i would agree. What's the point of playing Lagow with his deficiencies? Live and learn with Ramsey who will be with the program for another 2.5 years and could really improve from the experience. 

Good Lord.  Get over style and look at substance.  I was not defensive about Lagow.   I was - at the time - just tired of the less-than-objective BS criticism of a kid that everyone other than a couple of people on chat boards said played pretty well.  I get frustrated at the "backup QB" crowd who wants to fire or replace everyone when something doesn't go perfectly.   Especially with a kid who - in his first year on campus - was a leader in passing yardage in the Big Ten and was the top QB on a team that went to it's second straight bowl game for the first time since the early 1990's.  You know as well as I do (I hope) that the most popular guy on NFL rosters is the backup QB because fans for some reason think the grass is greener.  Not the case there and not necessarily the case here.  

Ignoring his positives for the sake of making points against his negatives, and to suggest we should sit him and replace him with a smaller, younger, more limited player whose strengths are short passes and the read option is and was silly.  Ramsey still can't throw the ball down field consistently; and my point was...and IS that we will need both of them because neither is good enough right now.  They have two different play packages, and that gives Indiana a chance to win more games than they otherwise might.  Same last year w Diamont and Natee.  

Why in the holy hell is anything in this thread about me?  For the love of goodness and all things holy....

[Crimson and Cream 5,844]

Just now, Old Friend said:

Good Lord.  Get over style and look at substance.  I was not defensive about Lagow.   I was - at the time - just tired of the less-than-objective BS criticism of a kid that everyone other than a couple of people on chat boards said played pretty well.  I get frustrated at the "backup QB" crowd who wants to fire or replace everyone when something doesn't go perfectly.   Especially with a kid who - in his first year on campus - was a leader in passing yardage in the Big Ten and was the top QB on a team that went to it's second straight bowl game for the first time since the early 1990's.  You know as well as I do (I hope) that the most popular guy on NFL rosters is the backup QB because fans for some reason think the grass is greener.  Not the case there and not necessarily the case here.  

Ignoring his positives for the sake of making points against his negatives, and to suggest we should sit him and replace him with a smaller, younger, more limited player whose strengths are short passes and the read option is and was silly.  Ramsey still can't throw the ball down field consistently; and my point was...and IS that we will need both of them because neither is good enough right now.  They have two different play packages, and that gives Indiana a chance to win more games than they otherwise might.  Same last year w Diamont and Natee.  

Why in the holy hell is anything in this thread about me?  For the love of goodness and all things holy....

The truth is you're in the minority and even the coaching staff has finally figured out we're better off with Ramsey. I'm surprised you continue to defend him as he has gotten even worse since the OSU game. I guess I'm not surprised, there's just no logic to it. 

[JSHoosier 20,462]

Just now, Crimson and Cream said:

The truth is you're in the minority and even the coaching staff has finally figured out we're better off with Ramsey. I'm surprised you continue to defend him as he has gotten even worse since the OSU game. I guess I'm not surprised, there's just no logic to it. 

Don't be so quick to say the staff has figured it out, you'll be disappointed when Lagow starts the next game.

[Old Friend 8,389]

19 minutes ago, TXHoosierDaddy said:

Anyone seen OldFriend lately to tell us all how good Lagow is? 

In a game like this, I can't believe anyone is dumb enough to ask this question.   We differed on how good he was against OSU, and I have said consistently we'd need both QB's.    What exactly is your problem other than you feel like being critical of someone else?   You think our getting down 28-0 was Lagow's fault?  You think a game in which we had to throw the ball on the road against the #4 team in the country is a good barometer for any quarterback?   So far, your hero is 8-17 and averaging 4.6 yards a throw.  Not exactly lighting the place up.  

[Crimson and Cream 5,844]

2 minutes ago, JSHoosier said:

Don't be so quick to say the staff has figured it out, you'll be disappointed when Lagow starts the next game.

Oh he's still starting, but he's playing less and less each game. They're just a little slow to react but they're finally getting it.

[TXHoosierDaddy 1,375]

1 minute ago, Old Friend said:

In a game like this, I can't believe anyone is dumb enough to ask this question.   We differed on how good he was against OSU, and I have said consistently we'd need both QB's.    What exactly is your problem other than you feel like being critical of someone else?   You think our getting down 28-0 was Lagow's fault?  You think a game in which we had to throw the ball on the road against the #4 team in the country is a good barometer for any quarterback?   So far, your hero is 8-17 and averaging 4.6 yards a throw.  Not exactly lighting the place up.  

Where did I say anything was his fault? I just assumed you would come on here and proclaim that he should have played more. Lagow has had more than his share of opportunity to seize the role. He is no better than last year and outside of having a strong arm really brings nothing to the table. What's the point of putting him out there anymore other than to chuck the ball downfield? For every nice he throw he makes, he forces something or takes a sack. Give Ramsey all the reps. He is the future. Let him live and learn. Maybe he can improve on the throwing. It has only been a handful of games. 

[Hoosierfan2017 21,896]

3 minutes ago, JSHoosier said:

Don't be so quick to say the staff has figured it out, you'll be disappointed when Lagow starts the next game.

Lagow starts, Lagow sucks, Lagow gets replaced. Rinse and repeat each week. I'll be shocked if Lagow doesn't start next week. 

[Old Friend 8,389]

1 minute ago, Crimson and Cream said:

The truth is you're in the minority and even the coaching staff has finally figured out we're better off with Ramsey. I'm surprised you continue to defend him as he has gotten even worse since the OSU game. I guess I'm not surprised, there's just no logic to it. 

 I am not  defending anyone.  I am defending my position after the OSU game.  I haven't been tooting his horn since then, and to say I have is disingenuous.  All I said then was he was asked to make some really tough throws, and he made a lot of them.  He made his mistakes too; but he was nowhere near as bad as some of you made him out to be that night, and the guys on ESPN substantiated that...one of them a former college QB who is as respected as anyone in the business.  I also said he was awful against Virginia.  Where were you then??   How exactly are we "better off" with Ramsey?  He's led as many scoring drives today as Lagow has, he has an INT, his completion % is lower than Lagow's, as are his yards per attempt.  Honestly?  I don't think we have a very good QB on the roster.  I think we have a couple who are adequate in given situations.

[Old Friend 8,389]

2 minutes ago, TXHoosierDaddy said:

Where did I say anything was his fault? I just assumed you would come on here and proclaim that he should have played more. Lagow has had more than his share of opportunity to seize the role. He is no better than last year and outside of having a strong arm really brings nothing to the table. What's the point of putting him out there anymore other than to chuck the ball downfield? For every nice he throw he makes, he forces something or takes a sack. Give Ramsey all the reps. He is the future. Let him live and learn. Maybe he can improve on the throwing. It has only been a handful of games. 

You assumed that, why?  Because I defended the kid after one game when I thought some of the criticism of him was unfair?

[JSHoosier 20,462]

Just now, Hoosierfan2017 said:

Lagow starts, Lagow sucks, Lagow gets replaced. Rinse and repeat each week. I'll be shocked if Lagow doesn't start next week. 

Pretty much.  I get that Ramsey has definite limitations, I'm in full agreement.  I'm even in full agreement that Lagow can sometimes throw the ball down field better.  Generally speaking though Lagow sucks, and given the age/potential I'll take the young guy.

[TXHoosierDaddy 1,375]

Just now, Old Friend said:

You assumed that, why?  Because I defended the kid after one game when I thought some of the criticism of him was unfair?

It's more than one game man. It basically was all of last year. He was irrelevant against UVA so there really wasn't much to say. 

[Hoosierfan2017 21,896]

3 minutes ago, JSHoosier said:

Pretty much.  I get that Ramsey has definite limitations, I'm in full agreement.  I'm even in full agreement that Lagow can sometimes throw the ball down field better.  Generally speaking though Lagow sucks, and given the age/potential I'll take the young guy.

He's had every opportunity to solidify himself as the starter and he hasn't been able to do it. I think it'd be foolish for us to expect him to change at this point. Like you said, go with the young guy. 

[Crimson and Cream 5,844]

2 minutes ago, Old Friend said:

 I am not  defending anyone.  I am defending my position after the OSU game.  I haven't been tooting his horn since then, and to say I have is disingenuous.  All I said then was he was asked to make some really tough throws, and he made a lot of them.  He made his mistakes too; but he was nowhere near as bad as some of you made him out to be that night, and the guys on ESPN substantiated that...one of them a former college QB who is as respected as anyone in the business.  I also said he was awful against Virginia.  Where were you then??   How exactly are we "better off" with Ramsey?  He's led as many scoring drives today as Lagow has, he has an INT, his completion % is lower than Lagow's, as are his yards per attempt.  Honestly?  I don't think we have a very good QB on the roster.  I think we have a couple who are adequate in given situations.

That was Ramsey's first INT of the season. Plain and simple, he takes care of the ball better than our 5th year senior. Why do you think Ramsey gets the majority of the reps? Nobody's saying Ramsey is some savior. He's just a better option than Lagow. 

[TXHoosierDaddy 1,375]

So lost Riggins and Ball and now J'Shun Harris and Ellison. Jeez this team is banged up. Wish we had another bye week.