Corruption in College Basketball

[mark1981]

5 minutes ago, HooHooHoo22 said:

That’s what I’ve been saying. There’s no way it was just those schools cheating. He has to be all the top schools in recruiting. But does the NCAA wanna open up a can of worms they big? They already look bad enough. No doubt in my mind UNC, Duke, Kentucky, Kansas even Missouri now and places like that are cheating.


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Yep.  Wasn't one of the Louisville coaches saying that they had to outbid another apparel company to get Bowen?

[mark1981]

What if every power 5 school is guilty?  What does the NCAA do?  Sanctions won't make any sense.

[OliviaPope40]

http://www.sportingnews.com/ncaa-basketball/news/louisville-basketball-scandal-tom-jurich-athletic-director-pay-perks-benefits-rick-pitino/hjyr8l3t6rc710prc1xyf0qkf

Ridiculous 

[Capt. Crimson]

Kenny Johnson and Jordan Fair have been put on paid leave... 

 

Buckle up Hoosier fans...

[Stuhoo]

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Hearing more indictments are coming in college hoops. Expected to happen within the next two weeks, I'm told.

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[mdn82]

Kenny Johnson and Jordan Fair have been put on paid leave... 
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Buckle up Hoosier fans...

What are we buckling up for?


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[mdn82]

From Fox Sports 1's college basketball writer. Should be good fun, if ya' asks me!
 
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Hearing more indictments are coming in college hoops. Expected to happen within the next two weeks, I'm told.

I imagine more assistants go down and/or we are waiting for people to flip and provide documents other than he/she said.


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[Brass Cannon]

5 minutes ago, mdn82 said:

What are we buckling up for?


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Yikes good thing they made the other assistant the HC right

[mdn82]

Yikes good thing they made the other assistant the HC right

That is the equivalent of what it would have been like if we hired DD to be our head coach and drop the interim label.


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[Capt. Crimson]

12 minutes ago, mdn82 said:

What are we buckling up for?


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Just hoping there's no Kenny Johnson blowback on our program. 

[Brass Cannon]

I want Kansas to get hit so much. Vandy wouldn't hurt also

[mdn82]

Just hoping there's no Kenny Johnson blowback on our program. 

When's the last time you saw a criminal snitch on themselves to get more charges? You really think he is going to dive into all of his transgressions?


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[Brass Cannon]

1 minute ago, mdn82 said:

When's the last time you saw a criminal snitch on themselves to get more charges? You really think he is going to dive into all of his transgressions?


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I'd be be worried about Fair saying stuff about kJ

[mdn82]

I'd be be worried about Fair saying stuff about kJ

The good thing is Fair didn't see KJ hand money to a Noah Vonleh, Troy Williams, or Stanford Robinson. Those are probably the three key players outside of I suppose James Blackmon he was the lead on. Blackmon I would argue was mostly Crean. Now if you were to ask me if I believe KJ gave money to players while he was here I would say probably. He was only here two years cause he was making $200k to pull players in. Once he left the kids he was after followed him. I truly don't think Crean was involved therefore I don't see KJ snitching on himself. He has nothing to gain with the FBI and he won't talk to NCAA.


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[Brass Cannon]

1 minute ago, mdn82 said:

The good thing is Fair didn't see KJ hand money to a Noah Vonleh, Troy Williams, or Stanford Robinson. Those are probably the three key players outside of I suppose James Blackmon he was the lead on. Blackmon I would argue was mostly Crean. Now if you were to ask me if I believe KJ gave money to players while he was here I would say probably. He was only here two years cause he was making $200k to pull players in. Once he left the kids he was after followed him. I truly don't think Crean was involved therefore I don't see KJ snitching on himself. He has nothing to gain with the FBI and he won't talk to NCAA.


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Very true

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The letter from UofL prez to Pitino!![emoji57]http://kentuckysportsradio.com/main/uofl-president-blasts-pitino-over-pattern-and-practice-of-inappropriate-behavior/


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[Stuhoo]

1 hour ago, mdn82 said:

The good thing is Fair didn't see KJ hand money to a Noah Vonleh, Troy Williams, or Stanford Robinson. Those are probably the three key players outside of I suppose James Blackmon he was the lead on. Blackmon I would argue was mostly Crean. Now if you were to ask me if I believe KJ gave money to players while he was here I would say probably. He was only here two years cause he was making $200k to pull players in. Once he left the kids he was after followed him. I truly don't think Crean was involved therefore I don't see KJ snitching on himself. He has nothing to gain with the FBI and he won't talk to NCAA.


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Wellll (ie; not so fast mdn)...

Generally: If a case target is looking at an indictment, it is very common for that target and a lawyer for that target to meet with prosecutors and submit to a full, truthful, and complete interview about anything the prosecutors and agents want to ask about while under the protection of a proffer letter/aka a qualified immunity letter/ aka a "queen for a day" agreement.

That proffer letter allows the prosecutors to make derivative use of anything said, but exempts the interviewee from the use of the statements during the interview being used as a confession. However, if the interview is less than fully accurate and truthful, there is a codicil in the agreement that allows the prosecutors to use not just the statements as derivative material, but also as a confession.

This type of interview is often part of the process of someone being charged as part of an information (a pre-indictment plea agreement).

In other words, if Kenny J has criminal exposure and wants to mitigate it, there is a legal-process mechanism that would allow him to lay out everything he knows, including about his exposure in matters that the investigative team did not already know about, without creating additional criminal exposure for Kenny. I strongly suspect that is the type of agreement that led to the cooperation of Marty Blazer and the initiation of the FBI investigation. 

Is this what is actually going on with Kenny Johnson? I have no idea.

 

[mdn82]

  Wellll (ie; not so fast mdn)...

Generally: If a case target is looking at an indictment, it is very common for that target and a lawyer for that target to meet with prosecutors and submit to a full, truthful, and complete interview about anything the prosecutors and agents want to ask about while under the protection of a proffer letter/aka a qualified immunity letter/ aka a "queen for a day" agreement.

That proffer letter allows the prosecutors to make derivative use of anything said, but exempts the interviewee from the use of the statements during the interview being used as a confession. However, if the interview is less than fully accurate and truthful, there is a codicil in the agreement that allows the prosecutors to use not just the statements as derivative material, but also as a confession.

This type of interview is often part of the process of someone being charged as part of an information (a pre-indictment plea agreement).

In other words, if Kenny J has criminal exposure and wants to mitigate it, there is a legal-process mechanism that would allow him to lay out everything he knows, including about his exposure in matters that the investigative team did not already know about, without creating additional criminal exposure for Kenny. I strongly suspect that is the type of agreement that led to the cooperation of Marty Blazer and the initiation of the FBI investigation. 

Is this what is actually going on with Kenny Johnson? I have no idea.

 

 

Ok, but if he doesn't have evidence, how does that apply to us in an NCAA investigation? That is what I am saying. I don't care what he says if he doesn't keep a ledger. I highly doubt Crean was a part of any money passing on to get any of the players I spoke of. If I am wrong so be it, but I have 0.00% concern in the current time of NCAA violations coming to Indiana due to this process.

 

Edit: Do you all realize how many coaches names are getting thrown around as we speak? Numerous. You know how many of those coaches will get in trouble without a paper trail? 0. Due to the same reasons it took the FBI to blow this open. The NCAA has minimal jurisdiction to either subpoena or have wire taps. The coaches involved in this will have 10+ year show cause. They have 0 reason to provide anything let alone snitching on themselves for previous transgressions they were the ones privy to. I am not worried about IU getting in trouble.

 

 

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[mdn82]

If I were coach that was known to hang out with agents or handlers I would be more worried. There are a few of those around.


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