Player and Recruit Retention News/Discussion & Potential Transfers

[Certified Sunshine Pumper 9,841]

1 minute ago, Class of '66 Old Fart said:

I think you are counting much too heavily on Davis coming from his achilles injury to be a significant contributor next season.

Could be.. if we really don't think he'll contribute, then yeah, we probably need to get a big. 

[mdn82 25,747]

Could be.. if we really don't think he'll contribute, then yeah, we probably need to get a big. 

He struggled to contribute 100% healthy. He just doesn’t fit this team. It’s no small coincidence we struggled most with him in the middle at both ends. For me it’s as much him as it is keeping Juwan as fresh as possible come February/March. He faded down the stretch. I understand where you guys are coming from and like you said about Thompson, Moore, and Forrester that we are in trouble if they can’t contribute. I feel the same for Al, Green, Phinisee, Anderson and Hunter. If they can’t either improve or contribute we are in trouble. We are about to get Romeo. That’s 30+ minutes per game and probably 20 ppg. Yes shooters would open him up a bit. But wouldn’t another Juwan-lite? From things we are hearing that seems to be the route we are going. Coach seems to think there will be improvements with our shooting.


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[Certified Sunshine Pumper 9,841]

8 minutes ago, mdn82 said:

He struggled to contribute 100% healthy. He just doesn’t fit this team. It’s no small coincidence we struggled most with him in the middle at both ends. For me it’s as much him as it is keeping Juwan as fresh as possible come February/March. He faded down the stretch. I understand where you guys are coming from and like you said about Thompson, Moore, and Forrester that we are in trouble if they can’t contribute. I feel the same for Al, Green, Phinisee, Anderson and Hunter. If they can’t either improve or contribute we are in trouble. We are about to get Romeo. That’s 30+ minutes per game and probably 20 ppg. Yes shooters would open him up a bit. But wouldn’t another Juwan-lite? From things we are hearing that seems to be the route we are going. Coach seems to think there will be improvements with our shooting.


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I agree he doesn't fit. I want space and pace. We do not need another De'Ron type. I also think Anderson would be exposed more then a guy like Forrester simply because I think we could out Forrester on a weaker offensive big guy and kind of hide him for 3 min stretches. 

[Stuhoo 84,501]

The chances of either Anderson or Forrester being rotation contributors as freshmen are slim.



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[Certified Sunshine Pumper 9,841]

1 hour ago, Stuhoo said:

The chances of either Anderson or Forrester being rotation contributors as freshmen is slim.



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Probably right. but Forrester has more of a chance because he's at less of a risk to hurt you. Anderson could be exposed quick. 

[Hardwood83 4,789]

2 hours ago, Stuhoo said:

Agreed that they need to help.

But a more critical question is; can one of them play at the level of a 20+ minute per game five on a championship caliber team?

 

 

 

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That is where I am too. I agree IU has a lot of big bodies...until you analyze it. DD is a complete coin toss with his recovery. Thompson looks very promising- as a Power forward. But a 6'7" R/S Fr playing major minutes at Center concerns me. Moore and Forrester weigh about 250 between them. Point is a grad transfer like Porter that can score a little, defend and rebound would be a huge benefit and allow for a lot of flexibility with the rest of the line-up. 

[HoosierAloha 30,090]

Yeah, I've weighed in on this before but if we don't add anyone to the front court we'll struggle.

Davis: not exceptionally athletic Big coming off an Achilles injury
Forrester: frosh big, don't count on a freshman Big to contribute. Few rarely do

Thompson: could contribute but is more of a 4.
Moore: expecting an Oladipo like jump to be serviceable

I expect Morgan and Smith to be more than solid. My fear is Morgan wearing done over the course of the season.

If I had to play a freshman Big or freshman wing I'd probably feel better about the wing. He doesn't have to adjust the the physicality of the Big Ten as much.

Hopefully we'll be able to add another contributor at either position.


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[AKHoosier 7,277]

Morgan, Davis, Forrester, Thompson, and Moore are what we have down low in the front court.

With the exception of Morgan, all we have are bodies.  Not talent.

We need talent.

[Brass Cannon 25,155]

6 minutes ago, AKHoosier said:

Morgan, Davis, Forrester, Thompson, and Moore are what we have down low in the front court.

With the exception of Morgan, all we have are bodies.  Not talent.

We need talent.

A top 100 recruit in his second year isn't talent?

[AKHoosier 7,277]

8 minutes ago, Brass Cannon said:

A top 100 recruit in his second year isn't talent?

Who are you referring to, Moore?

[JSHoosier 21,315]

11 minutes ago, Brass Cannon said:

A top 100 recruit in his second year isn't talent?

The only player in your list in his second year is Moore, so what service are you going by to say he's top 100?  Rivals was 133 and 247 composite was outside the top 150.  ESPN?  They had him at 70 in just the East region.

https://247sports.com/player/clifton-moore-46035751

https://n.rivals.com/content/prospects/2017/clifton-moore-181473

[Walking Boot of Doom 18,170]

Race Thompson


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[JSHoosier 21,315]

5 minutes ago, Walking Boot of Doom said:

Race Thompson


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Didn't even notice Thompson in that list.

EDIT:  247 composite has him 134.  Didn't see a Rivals ranking.

[Walking Boot of Doom 18,170]

Yeah, I mean, it’s hard to project how much “talent” he’ll bring to the table since we haven’t seen him play, but he does have an entire year of practice and workouts under his belt. Could be a real X-factor.


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[Brass Cannon 25,155]

5 minutes ago, JSHoosier said:

Didn't even notice Thompson in that list.

EDIT:  247 composite has him 134.  Didn't see a Rivals ranking.

The composite is only below a 100 because he wasn't ranked in some 2017 classes

[JSHoosier 21,315]

2 minutes ago, Brass Cannon said:

The composite is only below a 100 because he wasn't ranked in some 2017 classes

So he's top 100 if you conveniently ignore the places that didn't have him ranked at all.  At that point we're not going to see eye to eye.

[Brass Cannon 25,155]

3 minutes ago, JSHoosier said:

So he's top 100 if you conveniently ignore the places that didn't have him ranked at all.  At that point we're not going to see eye to eye.

He wasn't ranked because he reclassified. 

But if you wanna ignore that little fact it would make perfect sense to discredit the kid. 

[Uspshoosier 49,063]

37 minutes ago, JSHoosier said:

So he's top 100 if you conveniently ignore the places that didn't have him ranked at all.  At that point we're not going to see eye to eye.

He participated in the NBPA top 100 camp last June. Every article that came out after he committed referred to Race as a top 100 kid but top 100 is just a number. All that matters is last year during evaluations the staff prioritized him as one of their top targets and the staff got their guy


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[RaceToTheTop 27,779]

56 minutes ago, Brass Cannon said:

He wasn't ranked because he reclassified. 

But if you wanna ignore that little fact it would make perfect sense to discredit the kid. 

Exactly.  Here is an article that refers to him when he signed.  Notice it refers to him being a 4 star 2018 recruit at 247, checking the rankings now, the third ranked player in Minnesota is rated 48th nationally.

https://www.btpowerhouse.com/2017/7/16/15979392/2018-basketball-recruiting-four-star-power-forward-race-thompson-commits-to-indiana-hoosiers

You can't find his national ranking now since he reclassified, but I clearly remember him being ranked in the 80s at 247.

 

[RaceToTheTop 27,779]

1 hour ago, Brass Cannon said:

He wasn't ranked because he reclassified. 

But if you wanna ignore that little fact it would make perfect sense to discredit the kid. 

Further proof:  IU athletic website refers to him being ranked at #71 by one of the services.  He absolutely was a top 100 player for 2018.

http://iuhoosiers.com/roster.aspx?rp_id=9472