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[Class of '66 Old Fart 83,991]

[Class of '66 Old Fart 83,991]

[LamarCheeks 18,135]

6 minutes ago, Class of '66 Old Fart said:

Interesting ... 

Missing an injured starter, we lost by 5 on the road to a team ranked ahead of us -- and drop four spots. That, after winning AT Maryland, which we had never done. 

[Aaron 4,265]

27 minutes ago, LamarCheeks said:

Interesting ... 

Missing an injured starter, we lost by 5 on the road to a team ranked ahead of us -- and drop four spots. That, after winning AT Maryland, which we had never done. 

Like it or not this is the about the right ranking for them. What you are saying isn't wrong. While you could certainly argue they have three losses to top-10 teams on road, I could turn it around and say they have not beaten a ranked team or anyone projected higher than a seven seed. 

Yes, they have handled every matchup against potential second round level teams at any venue (Tennessee, Princeton, Michigan, Nebraska, PSU, Maryland). This is why they are projected a 3-4 seed in NCAA Tourney that will host and can handle first two rounds with teams on that level. However, until they beat a likely second weekend team that has good shot at Sweet 16, I can't be mad at that ranking or see a ceiling higher than losing in final 16. 

Until they beat Iowa at home or Ohio State or Iowa in Big Ten Tourney, I can't be on board with them being better then about 15th nationally and a low three seed or high four seed. It is about who you have beaten as much as who you have lost to, and so far they have not beaten anyone that has a chance to be around for the Sweet 16. I know they have  had few opportunities, but you have to evaluate who they have beaten and I am trying to look at this objectively like a neutral pollster or the committee.  

If they can beat Iowa or OSU before March Madness, then they can get to low two line or high three line with a ceiling of the top two seed if they win Big Ten Tourney. They have beaten a lot of good teams which is why they are correctly around 15. However, until they beat a great team which they are 0-3 against, I can't be mad at this ranking. The Iowa home game will tell us a lot and if team deserves to be closer to 10 than 15, but until when/if they win that, I have zero issues with current ranking.

Ranking is based on whole season. Not one week. Being the 14th best team in the country is nothing to be mad at, and until five years ago any fan would give a body part to be that good. I hope last year didn't blow expectations out of proportion. If this year is who they are going forward, everyone needs to take it and that goes even if they are just a solid tourney team from now on. 

No different than baseball, post Kyle Schwarber years. Good tourney team, but not great and that is just fine. 

[LamarCheeks 18,135]

 

 

18 hours ago, Aaron said:

Like it or not this is the about the right ranking for them. What you are saying isn't wrong. While you could certainly argue they have three losses to top-10 teams on road, I could turn it around and say they have not beaten a ranked team or anyone projected higher than a seven seed. 

Yes, they have handled every matchup against potential second round level teams at any venue (Tennessee, Princeton, Michigan, Nebraska, PSU, Maryland). This is why they are projected a 3-4 seed in NCAA Tourney that will host and can handle first two rounds with teams on that level. However, until they beat a likely second weekend team that has good shot at Sweet 16, I can't be mad at that ranking. 

Until they beat Iowa at home or Ohio State or Iowa in Big Ten Tourney, I can't be on board with them being better then about 15th nationally and a low three seed or high four seed. It is about who you have beaten as much as who you have lost to, and so far they have not beaten anyone that has a chance to be around for the Sweet 16. I know they have  had few opportunities, but you have to evaluate who they have beaten and I am trying to look at this objectively like a neutral pollster or the committee.  

If they can beat Iowa or OSU before March Madness, then they can get to low two line or high three line with a ceiling of the top two seed if they win Big Ten Tourney. They have beaten a lot of good teams which is why they are correctly around 15. However, until they beat a great team which they are 0-3 against, I can't be mad at this ranking. The Iowa home game will tell us a lot and if team deserves to be closer to 10 than 15, but until when/if they win that, I have zero issues with current ranking.

Ranking is based on whole season. Not one week. 

I know how rankings work and I've watched about every IU women's game this year, but thanks for dipping into your deep, deep well of insight and dropping the knowledge on me. 

[Certified Sunshine Pumper 8,906]

I don't see why ND, LSU are ahead of us. They pretty clearly have worse losses. 

We should be no lower than 13th, but oh well. 

[Aaron 4,265]

1 hour ago, btownqb said:

I don't see why ND, LSU are ahead of us. They pretty clearly have worse losses. 

We should be no lower than 13th, but oh well. 

I would argue both teams have the top end win IU does not.

Notre Dame has three losses to solid tourney teams and one to an elite team. What they have IU does not is a win over UConn on the road that is an elite squad likely to get a host spot. Similar resumes but that is likely a differentiator. If IU beats Iowa they should move up as then the resumes are almost the same with IU's losses being slightly better (albeit neither bad).

As for LSU, they have a win over VA Tech, who is an elite team competing for a host spot with losses again to Tourney teams. Until IU beats Iowa or another team competing for a host spot (and Iowa is only chance for that in regular season), can't be mad about being below them but certainly anyone can beg to differ.

Big Ten is hurt by the fall off of Maryland and Michigan this season. This gives the three top teams (IU, Iowa, and OSU) only two squads to notch ranked top wins against, instead of four like last season. Don't see IU getting above a four seed or maybe very last three, unless they beat Hawkeyes at home or in the Big Ten Tourney or OSU in Big Ten Tourney.     

If they lose to no one else but their fellow championship contenders, still a solid host but not above a four and probably cannot afford more than another loss in general. Get one of these against the ranked conference foes and you will have wiggle room to stay a four and maybe even move to a three and possibly a two if they win conference tourney.

[Certified Sunshine Pumper 8,906]

1 minute ago, Aaron said:

I would argue both teams have the top end wins IU does not.

Notre dame has three losses to solid tourney teams and one to an elite team. What they have IU does not is a win over UConn on the road that is an elite squad likely to get a host spot. Similar resumes but that is likely differentiator. If IU beats Iowa they should  move up as then the resumes are almost the same with IU's losses being slightly better (albeit neither bad).

As for LSU, they have a win over VA Tech, who is an elite team competing for a host spot with losses again to Tourney teams. Until IU beats Iowa or another team competing for a host spot (and Iowa is only chance for that in regular season) can't be mad about being below them but certainly anyone can beg to differ.

Big Ten is hurt by the fall off of Maryland and Michigan this season. This gives the three top teams (IU, Iowa, and OSU) only two squads to notch ranked top wins against, instead of four like last season.   

 

I mean... Indiana has 3 losses, on the road, to Top 10 teams. That would be what I argue. 

Syracuse is 40th in the NET and ND was swept by them. 

Teams ahead of Syracuse-- Princeton, Penn State, Maryland, Nebraska, Minny. Allllllll of those wins are CONSIDERABLY more impressive than getting swept by Syracuse like ND did. I wouldn't have ND ahead of Indiana. 

 

LSU has a loss to #57 Auburn and two other losses since Jan 14th. I wouldn't have LSU ahead of Indiana.

[Certified Sunshine Pumper 8,906]

I also don't fancy it that big of a deal, and you're right, we will be a Top 4 seed and get the first two games at home, but those teams having a good W doesn't do a whole lot for me when you see they've lost to teams they shouldn't lose to... 

[Aaron 4,265]

10 minutes ago, btownqb said:

I mean... Indiana has 3 losses, on the road, to Top 10 teams. That would be what I argue. 

Syracuse is 40th in the NET and ND was swept by them. 

Teams ahead of Syracuse-- Princeton, Penn State, Maryland, Nebraska, Minny. Allllllll of those wins are CONSIDERABLY more impressive than getting swept by Syracuse like ND did. I wouldn't have ND ahead of Indiana. 

 

LSU has a loss to #57 Auburn and two other losses since Jan 14th. I wouldn't have LSU ahead of Indiana.

Cuse is a projected six seed which is higher than any team IU has beaten (and ironically in the Bloomington pod). Auburn is a fringe tourney team and not a great loss but I look at who you have beaten (which ND and LSU have a top-end win) as much as who you have lost to and IU really lacks there. Just more opportunities in ACC and SEC big wins this season which is no one's fault.

Blame Michigan, Maryland, and Illinois for not being the top-end teams they were last year which is really hurting IU with no signature wins pre-conference as well. Ohio State has that including beating IU, Iowa and UCLA, while Hawks have victories over VA Tech, IU, and Kansas State. Big Ten is much deeper this year but much weaker on high end teams than past couple seasons.

IU's resume just doesn't stack up to higher than a four seed right now with zero bad losses, but no wins over anyone projected higher than a seven seed in field. That puts you right around 14. Like I said, beat Iowa and/or someone really good in Big Ten Tourney and then I can get on board with being in top-10 and a three seed bordering on a two.  

[Todd41 715]

Outside of SC, the rest of the top 20 could slide up or down multiple spots in any given week.  There is just that much parity in the upper echelon of teams this year.

[TTT 907]

Assuming IU Ladies are going to beat Michigan State, Illinois, Iowa, and Maryland's among others is not a given.  There could be one, two or three losses in there or they could win every game 
Team still has questions??  IU Ladies need to get Parrish back and in a short time start clicking on all cylinders peaking at playing their Best for big ten tournament and March Madness.

IU Ladies helped Ohio State Ladies beat IU Ladies.  That was a very winnable game for IU Ladies.

 

[TheWatShot 13,660]

2 hours ago, Aaron said:

I would argue both teams have the top end win IU does not.

Notre Dame has three losses to solid tourney teams and one to an elite team. What they have IU does not is a win over UConn on the road that is an elite squad likely to get a host spot. Similar resumes but that is likely a differentiator. If IU beats Iowa they should move up as then the resumes are almost the same with IU's losses being slightly better (albeit neither bad).

As for LSU, they have a win over VA Tech, who is an elite team competing for a host spot with losses again to Tourney teams. Until IU beats Iowa or another team competing for a host spot (and Iowa is only chance for that in regular season), can't be mad about being below them but certainly anyone can beg to differ.

Big Ten is hurt by the fall off of Maryland and Michigan this season. This gives the three top teams (IU, Iowa, and OSU) only two squads to notch ranked top wins against, instead of four like last season. Don't see IU getting above a four seed or maybe very last three, unless they beat Hawkeyes at home or in the Big Ten Tourney or OSU in Big Ten Tourney.     

If they lose to no one else but their fellow championship contenders, still a solid host but not above a four and probably cannot afford more than another loss in general. Get one of these against the ranked conference foes and you will have wiggle room to stay a four and maybe even move to a three and possibly a two if they win conference tourney.

I wish we had scheduled two more games out of conference. Everyone else seems to have played 12 while we only played 10 for some reason. Probably could have lined up another marquee game or two. 

[Aaron 4,265]

5 hours ago, TTT said:

Assuming IU Ladies are going to beat Michigan State, Illinois, Iowa, and Maryland's among others is not a given.  There could be one, two or three losses in there or they could win every game 
Team still has questions??  IU Ladies need to get Parrish back and in a short time start clicking on all cylinders peaking at playing their Best for big ten tournament and March Madness.

IU Ladies helped Ohio State Ladies beat IU Ladies.  That was a very winnable game for IU Ladies.

 

Not going there either. IU has shown a certainty of beating any unranked team pretty easily with or without Parrish at this point. They certainly could lose to any of the above teams but I would be shocked. At this point they have shown you exactly who they are and that is a team that will beat anyone worse than them and lose to anyone better than them. This late in season you know what a team is and IU has been pretty clear in who they are. 

I fully expect them to beat everyone else on their schedule besides Iowa and then win the Friday game in Big Ten Tourney and lose Saturday to OSU or Iowa. Then get a four seed in tourney win first two games and lose in Sweet 16 to a one seed. 

Until further notice or something changes I would be very surprised at any other outcome. This team has a clearly established pattern that is likely to continue and that is regardless of Parrish's health. Losing to any of the above teams you mentioned besides the Hawkeyes would be just as much of an outlier as beating an elite squad and IU has shown either of those things is unlikely.

[LamarCheeks 18,135]

Coaches have us at No. 13. 

Just like the AP poll, that's down four spots from last week. 

[LamarCheeks 18,135]

No change in AP.

 

[Class of '66 Old Fart 83,991]

Up 1.

[LamarCheeks 18,135]

Once again, no change in AP. 

[LamarCheeks 18,135]

Coaches dropped us four spots after that disaster in Champaign. 

[TTT 907]

Gift.  Wants Iowa game to have as much significance as possible.  (4 losses aren’t bad except for 3 of them are completely blowout losses).