College Football Thread

[Hovadipo 56,413]

5 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

I'll play. What is wrong with a UM staffer holding up a cell phone in a purchased seat to film future opponents signals?

Well, it's a practice that has been very illegal for about 30 years. Not even counting that this guy was purchasing tickets in his own name and transferring them to people around the country.

 

(if you're being sarcastic, my apologies for being dense)

[8bucks 6,467]

I cant help but think that, IF, they even bothered to film us they were probably saying things like "you are not going to believe how bad this is" or "oh don't call that play again" or "what are you thinking" or "boss can i leave now, this is going to be easier than a bye week"

[8bucks 6,467]

2 minutes ago, Hovadipo said:

Well, it's a practice that has been very illegal for about 30 years. Not even counting that this guy was purchasing tickets in his own name and transferring them to people around the country.

 

(if you're being sarcastic, my apologies for being dense)

Illegal or against NCAA "rules"?

[Stuhoo 81,198]

Just now, Hovadipo said:

Well, it's a practice that has been very illegal for about 30 years. 

 

(if you're being sarcastic, my apologies for being dense)

You're not dense and I know it's against the rules and therefore they deserve to be in trouble, but I don't quite understand the reasoning.

It's all good and fine to film and have detailed study on what's public during a game. The sideline stuff is public too and it's coded by signals for a reason. I'm not sure why it's off limits when it's clearly visible in public.

[Stuhoo 81,198]

2 minutes ago, 8bucks said:

I cant help but think that, IF, they even bothered to film us they were probably saying things like "you are not going to believe how bad this is" or "oh don't call that play again" or "what are you thinking" or "boss can i leave now, this is going to be easier than a bye week"

"We just studied the IU sideline. We now know their signals, but it doesn't matter because they don't execute and don't score points."

[Hovadipo 56,413]

6 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

You're not dense and I know it's against the rules and therefore they deserve to be in trouble, but I don't quite understand the reasoning.

It's all good and fine to film and have detailed study on what's public during a game. The sideline stuff is public too and it's coded by signals for a reason. I'm not sure why it's off limits when it's clearly visible in public.

Teams go to great lengths to hide their signals from the TV broadcast and shared game film. You'll see teams have staffers holding up large barriers pretty often around their signalers, the conference office will get some very strongly worded messages to pass on to the TV networks if they notice their signalers are being broadcast on TV from low angles, etc. So, sending someone out specifically to get every signal a team has can give you a real advantage.

Even if that advantage is something as "small" as getting a run/pass call 10-15 seconds before the snap, you're winning. If you're able to decode something fast enough to get something like a run to a specific side or a route combination, and even if it's 3 plays in an entire game, that's a HUGE win.

[Stuhoo 81,198]

7 minutes ago, Hovadipo said:

Teams go to great lengths to hide their signals from the TV broadcast and shared game film. You'll see teams have staffers holding up large barriers pretty often around their signalers, the conference office will get some very strongly worded messages to pass on to the TV networks if they notice their signalers are being broadcast on TV from low angles, etc. So, sending someone out specifically to get every signal a team has can give you a real advantage.

Even if that advantage is something as "small" as getting a run/pass call 10-15 seconds before the snap, you're winning. If you're able to decode something fast enough to get something like a run to a specific side or a route combination, and even if it's 3 plays in an entire game, that's a HUGE win.

I completely understand why they hide and disguise them; that's their defense against signal stealing. If they are lousy at doing it and someone in a paid seat can see and decipher signals to me that seems like it maybe should be fair game. Nothing like spying on a practice.

I'm assuming no NFL style helmet audio in college? Because that would solve it.

[Hovadipo 56,413]

2 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

I completely understand why they hide and disguise them; that's their defense against signal stealing. If they are lousy at doing it and someone in a paid seat can see and decipher signals to me that seems like it maybe should be fair game. Nothing like spying on a practice.

I'm assuming no NFL style helmet audio in college? Because that would solve it.

It would solve it and, funny enough, the two reasons I've most often read/heard for not implementing it? 

1) Cost

2) The ability to steal signals

My real issue is Michigan, in a very dumb way, telling the competitive advantage rules to shove it.

[iubb 2,558]

The Washington Post has more

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The sign-stealing investigation threatening to disrupt Michigan’s football season began after an outside investigative firm approached the NCAA with documents and videos the firm said it had obtained from computer drives maintained and accessed by multiple Michigan coaches, according to two people familiar with the matter, evidence that suggests the scandal’s impact could broaden beyond the suspension of one low-level assistant.

These people spoke on the condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to speak about an ongoing NCAA investigation. They did not disclose who hired the outside firm that approached the NCAA. The NCAA, the Big Ten and Michigan declined to comment.

 

Last week, the Big Ten confirmed published reports that the NCAA was investigating allegations that Michigan had sent people connected to its football program to attend games of opponents and videotape coaches as they signaled in plays, in violation of the rules that govern college football. Michigan suspended Connor Stalions, a football assistant ESPN reported was suspected of overseeing the alleged sign-stealing operation. Coach Jim Harbaugh, in a statement, denied any knowledge of or involvement in any such scheme.

 

Stalions played a major role in overseeing and coordinating sign-stealing efforts, the outside investigation found, but the firm’s evidence suggested he wasn’t acting alone. The outside firm did not present any evidence directly linking Harbaugh to the sign-stealing operation, according to the people with knowledge. In the days since Stalions’s name circulated as a key figure in the investigation, videos and photos circulated on social media taken during Michigan games showing him standing near coaches, including the team’s defensive and co-offensive coordinators.

 

Among the pieces of evidence the firm presented, these people said, was a detailed schedule of Michigan’s planned sign-stealing travel for the rest of this season, listing opponents’ schedules, which games Michigan scouts would attend, and how much money was budgeted for travel and tickets to scout each team.

 

The opponents targeted the most on this schedule, these people said, were not surprising. Atop the list was Ohio State, Michigan’s top rival in the Big Ten, and scouts planned to attend as many as eight games, costing more than $3,000 in travel and tickets. Next on the list was Georgia, a potential Michigan opponent in the College Football Playoff, with four or five games scheduled for in-person scouting and video-recording, also costing more than $3,000 in travel and tickets.

 

In total, these people said, Michigan’s sign-stealing operation expected to spend more than $15,000 this season sending scouts to more than 40 games played by 10 opponents. According to the university’s public salary disclosure records, Stalions, listed as an administrative specialist in the athletics department, made $55,000 in 2022.

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2023/10/25/michigan-computers-sign-stealing-evidence/

[Rico 3,073]

Ewers out for the Longhorns on Saturday.  Maalik Murphy will be starting over Arch Manning.

https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/maalik-murphy-to-start-for-texas-second-year-qb-gets-nod-over-arch-manning-to-replace-quinn-ewers-vs-byu/

[LIHoosier 26,306]

https://twitter.com/cfbhome/status/1718309105310294092

Hint: Its linked and not embedded for a reason.

[Hovadipo 56,413]

Kevin Wilson pissed in someone’s Cheerios. 

[Demo 20,263]

I can’t think of a nationally televised game I’ve watched in which an announcer was more blatantly rooting for a team than Tim Brando is for Stanford in this Stanford-Washington game. He sounds like the Palo Alto radio guy. No idea why. Never noticed that about him before. 

[Hovadipo 56,413]

19 minutes ago, Demo said:

I can’t think of a nationally televised game I’ve watched in which an announcer was more blatantly rooting for a team than Tim Brando is for Stanford in this Stanford-Washington game. He sounds like the Palo Alto radio guy. No idea why. Never noticed that about him before. 

He has fallen off dramatically in recent years. Always enjoyed his voice, but he is horrible these days. Doesn’t seem to ever know what’s going on. And Tillman is a complete moron which doesn’t help Brando at all. 

Those 2 on the Illinois game last year was brutal. 

[Rico 3,073]

10. Penn State (10): The ranking may remain the same but confidence -- which can be seen in the form of voting points -- will likely take a hit as a result of being tied, at home, with less than 3 minutes remaining against Indiana with PSU entering as a 31-point favorite. The 33-24 final -- courtesy of a 57-yard KeAndre Lambert-Smith touchdown -- might soften some of the scoreboard shock for any voter who didn't get a chance to follow the action, but rankings-wise, the Nittany Lions are mostly happy to dodge the upset scare.  

 

https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/tomorrows-top-25-today-georgia-ohio-state-strengthen-positions-in-new-college-football-rankings/

[Class of '66 Old Fart 84,906]

From College Football Report -

The worst P5 Scoring Offenses in CFB (through week 9)

1. Michigan State (18.0 PPG)

2. Indiana (18.6 PPG)

3. Iowa (19.5 PPG)

4. Arizona St (19.6 PPG)

5. Nebraska (20.3 PPG)

6. Illinois (20.4 PPG)

7. Minnesota (21.1 PPG)

8. Utah (21.3 PPG)

9. Northwestern (21.8 PPG)

10. Purdue (21.9 PPG)

[kreigh8 2,060]

4 minutes ago, Class of '66 Old Fart said:

From College Football Report -

The worst P5 Scoring Offenses in CFB (through week 9)

1. Michigan State (18.0 PPG)

2. Indiana (18.6 PPG)

3. Iowa (19.5 PPG)

4. Arizona St (19.6 PPG)

5. Nebraska (20.3 PPG)

6. Illinois (20.4 PPG)

7. Minnesota (21.1 PPG)

8. Utah (21.3 PPG)

9. Northwestern (21.8 PPG)

10. Purdue (21.9 PPG)

Nearly half the conference is in this list. Must be some really strong defenses..

*over half - will be nearly next season. Wouldn't be so bad in a fishbowl, but add this to the basketball drought...

[LIHoosier 26,306]

Take the FCS game out for each school and I'm sure it's really ugly.

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[Hoosierfan2017 21,513]

6 minutes ago, LIHoosier said:

Take the FCS game out for each school and I'm sure it's really ugly.

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13.2 ppg for IU in its 6 games against P5 schools. 15.4 ppg if you include the Akron game. 

[go iu bb 6,187]

2 hours ago, Class of '66 Old Fart said:

From College Football Report -

The worst P5 Scoring Offenses in CFB (through week 9)

1. Michigan State (18.0 PPG)

2. Indiana (18.6 PPG)

3. Iowa (19.5 PPG)

4. Arizona St (19.6 PPG)

5. Nebraska (20.3 PPG)

6. Illinois (20.4 PPG)

7. Minnesota (21.1 PPG)

8. Utah (21.3 PPG)

9. Northwestern (21.8 PPG)

10. Purdue (21.9 PPG)

B1G domination!