Free Market Recruiting

[WayneFleekHoosier 49,150]

If you're going to be paying the student athletes, then don't call them student athletes, give them a free education, and they should separate the sport from the school.

this is the next issue. Makes it more challenging.

[MartintheMopMan 7,765]

If we gave it a free market without a cap... to just throw money at recruits... I think Harvard could rule the world.

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But they wouldn't. That is a big issue with this idea. The schools who could compete are the ones willing to spend the money on their basketball team. Harvard could pour more into their facilities and staff, but choose to spend the money elsewhere. There is no reason to suspect this would change for them or any other school making the same decision. The schools already heavily invested in their football or basketball teams would invest more and everyone else would fall behind.

Having the salary tied to ranking is more interesting, though would have to figure out a consistent and auditable ranking system.

[X-Hoosier 529]

The kids are maiming the schools millions of dollars. Pay them a salary and let them go to school. Let's be honest a scholarship is a school paying itself from one account to another. 

id be interested in having the Pro sports teams form relationships with the college programs/conferences and create a true minor league for basketball that would cut out the shady agents and middle me. That direct players to certain programs. 

The basketball system would basically need to be recreated from CBB down. The NBA would eventually gain some sort of control over the "college game." They wouldn't want a minor league with such different rules. The HS and AAU systems are just terrible anymore. Kids move to different schools every year and AAU basketball is just garbage and doesn't teach anything except to shoot a lot. There would have to be a massive revolution that some old people would truly hate.

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[drock161 586]

48 minutes ago, X-Hoosier said:

So like a league with teams sponsored by the schools?

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Completely separate from the school. Basically what I'm saying is that student athletes shouldn't be paid. If they are then they shouldn't associate with schools. Getting paid a salary to participate in school? Getting paid a salary to be taught by world class faculty, coaches, professors? They'd be like pros but with more benefits and an age limit. I don't like it.

[drock161 586]

47 minutes ago, Feathery said:

The kids are maiming the schools millions of dollars. Pay them a salary and let them go to school. Let's be honest a scholarship is a school paying itself from one account to another. 

id be interested in having the Pro sports teams form relationships with the college programs/conferences and create a true minor league for basketball that would cut out the shady agents and middle me. That direct players to certain programs. 

But most of that money goes directly into athletics. IU doesn't build the Marching Hundred a building because of all of the money the basketball team makes. The MH has to fund that entirely by themselves. The money goes to the coaches, staff, facilities, scholarships, travel, recruiting, etc.

[X-Hoosier 529]

But most of that money goes directly into athletics. IU doesn't build the Marching Hundred a building because of all of the money the basketball team makes. The MH has to fund that entirely by themselves. The money goes to the coaches, staff, facilities, scholarships, travel, recruiting, etc.

If the MH had to fund everything themselves they wouldn't exist. Athletic programs around the country are ran on the money that football and basketball make. That is if they actually make profit.

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[drock161 586]

8 minutes ago, X-Hoosier said:

If the MH had to fund everything themselves they wouldn't exist. Athletic programs around the country are ran on the money that football and basketball make. That is if they actually make profit.

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The MH is funded by the music school. They get $110K a year for staff, licenses for music, away trip, per diems on the trip, uniform repair, instrument repair, things like that. But building (which costs 4M, quite a bit less than the AH renovations or any other project they've done in the recent past) is being done completely by donation. 

My point is that money made by athletics are being used by the athletics, which benefits the athletes. It's not like that money is being used to buy ice cream for the Read cafeteria.

[KelleyHoosh 2,263]

I think they should just treat it like a campus job and pay players 10-12 bucks an hour. That's what playing a sport closely resembles. It's like being a college kid with a job. The NCAA already mandates how many hours you can practice in a week. Affordable, easy fix

[WayneFleekHoosier 49,150]

I think they should just treat it like a campus job and pay players 10-12 bucks an hour. That's what playing a sport closely resembles. It's like being a college kid with a job. The NCAA already mandates how many hours you can practice in a week. Affordable, easy fix

I like this. Doesn't stop the cheating though.

[drock161 586]

14 minutes ago, KelleyHoosh said:

I think they should just treat it like a campus job and pay players 10-12 bucks an hour. That's what playing a sport closely resembles. It's like being a college kid with a job. The NCAA already mandates how many hours you can practice in a week. Affordable, easy fix

But then what about the alternate academic requirements? What campus gives students a free education, tons of tutors and specified time to get that tutoring done, and the possibility of coming out of school with 2 degrees in four years? 

[KelleyHoosh 2,263]

3 minutes ago, drock161 said:

But then what about the alternate academic requirements? What campus gives students a free education, tons of tutors and specified time to get that tutoring done, and the possibility of coming out of school with 2 degrees in four years? 

What about it? What other students go on national television and build their school's brand and earn the school millions? 

I think its a fair trade. These kids get their education paid for and that is fantastic, yes. But the cost of that is eating up their time, time that they could be using to work a job like a lot of college kids.

[KB0 827]

11 minutes ago, drock161 said:

But then what about the alternate academic requirements? What campus gives students a free education, tons of tutors and specified time to get that tutoring done, and the possibility of coming out of school with 2 degrees in four years? 

What other student is prevented from capitalizing on their name and likeness? 

[drock161 586]

6 minutes ago, KB0 said:

What other student is prevented from capitalizing on their name and likeness? 

 

15 minutes ago, KelleyHoosh said:

What about it? What other students go on national television and build their school's brand and earn the school millions? 

I think its a fair trade. These kids get their education paid for and that is fantastic, yes. But the cost of that is eating up their time, time that they could be using to work a job like a lot of college kids.

True, true. And I could get on board for treating it like an hourly job rather than a giant salary.

[ElectricBoogaloo 4,307]

The "student athletes" in basketball and football generate tons of money for their schools every year. What is Indiana's pay out from BTN this year? Was $32 million last year and expected to climb past $40 million per school according to my quick Google search. I think everyone can agree that the cost of a scholarship does not fully compensate these players for the huge sums of money coming in. The only question is how much would be fair compensation.

I think the only way to do it is to mimic the pro leagues. Players would need a union and have a collective bargaining agreement spelling out what % of a school's sports revenue goes to salaries. It could obviously be less of a % than the pros so schools can continue subsidizing other athletics. I don't even want to think about the legal entanglements of suddenly making the players employees of the school, but that seems like the only fair arrangement for their efforts.

Like some others have said, you may have to separate the revenue generators from the school entirely. I don't even know what that would look like.

(God help us)

 

[coonhounds 9,652]

The amount of people thinking college kids should get paid is shocking to me. The price of the education they get for free is plenty.

[X-Hoosier 529]

Would Ivy League schools like Harvard and Yale rule sports? They could put a ton of money towards sports if they wanted to.

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[Alford Bailey 12,444]

Allow kids to go straight to the NBA. I'd enjoy watching the NBA deal with that mess since they've damn near ruined cbb. Pay the athletes $12-$15 hr plus scholly. That scholly is worth $25-$50 grand a year. Not very many students coming out of college without student loan debt. That is a HUGE benefit.

[X-Hoosier 529]

Allow kids to go straight to the NBA. I'd enjoy watching the NBA deal with that mess since they've damn near ruined cbb. Pay the athletes $12-$15 hr plus scholly. That scholly is worth $25-$50 grand a year. Not very many students coming out of college without student loan debt. That is a HUGE benefit.

The NBA is a professional league and they saw it fit to put an age limit and experience limit before a player enters. How many professions can you graduate from HS and a month later be a professional getting paid millions of dollars? If you want to blame anyone for "ruining CBB" then blame the HS and AAU system for not getting players ready for the collegiate level.

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[Feathery 4,005]

Who cares if a kid is in college. Why should his stage in life determine how much money he makes?  The value they bring to the university is far greater than the scholarship being provided. 

There definitely needs to be a cap bc of competitive balance. I K ow people who were on full ride scholarships who had jobs that paid more than what these "student athletes" are getting as a stipend. 

My my personal opinion is make them employees and a salary. Let them pay for their education and skip the scholarship all together. The school can give a discount if they give other employees discounts. 

Will this have an effect on non revenue sports? Possibly. But there is enough money to pay these players and keep the other sports alive. 

[Bobman1 2,909]

Would Ivy League schools like Harvard and Yale rule sports? They could put a ton of money towards sports if they wanted to.

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The top recruits wouldn't care about their education and where they get it from. The NBA is their priority and they would just go to whatever school would put them in the bet position to get there.