Robert Johnson or Emmitt Holt?

[benfaunce 99]

I'm starting Johnson, and the main reason is I want Holt off the bench. He can provide a great spark late in the first half. Then again, it may end up being based on match ups. I also like that Johnson can take the ball up the court to let Yogi run off the ball some.

[KingPG21 6,582]

Rojo. But then again I am a huge Rojo fan. I like Holt, but I think Rojo is going to be special

[Alford Bailey 12,349]

PG: Yogi
SG: JBJ
SF: Troy
PF: Holt
C: Bryant

That's a lineup that can attack, shoot, rebound and get up the floor.

Rojo coming in for whoever gets in fouls trouble first (doesn't really matter from those 5) and we are rolling. I'm really excited for the combinations we have this year...

Wonder if the +/- from the old days will make a comeback...

Yea but that lineup has 2 kinda tall guys on the floor at once. Would never work.

[Alford Bailey 12,349]

I think Bryant will have some growing pains. Better have Holt ready to come off the bench.

[WayneFleekHoosier 47,918]

To me it's more of a guard depth situation and a size on D situation.

I like a traditional lineup moreso with the option of a 3 guard lineup.

I like:

Yogi
JBJ
Troy
Best of Holt/Morgan/Max/Hartman
Bryant

Rob can come in for either guard spot or as a 3rd guard. I want Z to see legit minutes too.

AFTER saying all that, our best 5 need to see the most minutes and that trumps the starting lineup. It also may be a game to game change on best 5.

Crean must be going bananas with his pre written substitution paper.

[Flash3 77]

Crean must be going bananas with his pre written substitution paper.

If Crean has a pre written substitution then we're all in trouble lol.

[WayneFleekHoosier 47,918]

If Crean has a pre written substitution then we're all in trouble lol.

Its DOOMSDAY then.........

[Old Friend 8,389]

Starting Holt does two things.  It makes Indiana slower, and it limits our options for front court subs on the bench.   Holt backs up two spots...the 4 and the 5. We need the versatility of him coming off the bench more than we need Johnson's versatility.   Johnson's value plummets off the bench because Indiana has so many players who can play the 2/3.    

 

Indiana is much better when we're able to get out and run.  Starting Holt limits that to an extent because that's just not his game.  Williams at the 4 gives Indiana SO many more options, and allowing Holt to play with either Williams or Bryant gives us more flexibility.

 

Yogi

Blackmon

Johnson

Williams

Bryant

 

You then fill in the back court with Zeisloft, Hartman, OG, and whatever Niego can bring (and I happen to think he can help...the kind of kid we need).  Williams can obviously slide down to the 3 when we need him to,, Hartman can step up to the 4 when we need him to; and I'm not as confident in Priller or Morgan to provide depth in the front court, so I think Holt provides some much needed bench strength in the front court.  Bielfelt will also help in the front court, but a one-year add isn't someone to count on for anything more than stability.

[HoosierAloha 30,024]

Starting Holt does two things. It makes Indiana slower, and it limits our options for front court subs on the bench. Holt backs up two spots...the 4 and the 5. We need the versatility of him coming off the bench more than we need Johnson's versatility. Johnson's value plummets off the bench because Indiana has so many players who can play the 2/3.

Indiana is much better when we're able to get out and run. Starting Holt limits that to an extent because that's just not his game. Williams at the 4 gives Indiana SO many more options, and allowing Holt to play with either Williams or Bryant gives us more flexibility.

Yogi
Blackmon
Johnson
Williams
Bryant

You then fill in the back court with Zeisloft, Hartman, OG, and whatever Niego can bring (and I happen to think he can help...the kind of kid we need). Williams can obviously slide down to the 3 when we need him to,, Hartman can step up to the 4 when we need him to; and I'm not as confident in Priller or Morgan to provide depth in the front court, so I think Holt provides some much needed bench strength in the front court. Bielfelt will also help in the front court, but a one-year add isn't someone to count on for anything more than stability.

Holt may not be the quickest player down the floor but both he and Bryant hustle. Having Holt and Bryant on the floor at the same time provides balance to our break. If Holt is out on the break you have Bryant lay back for a counter break. Williams can also help on this but he hasn't been consistent enough.

Hartman and Bielfedt will provide front court depth. If Holt or Bryant are in foul trouble or winded you bring in Hartman and still have a solid front court.

[MikeRoberts 6,914]

Starting Holt does two things. It makes Indiana slower, and it limits our options for front court subs on the bench. Holt backs up two spots...the 4 and the 5. We need the versatility of him coming off the bench more than we need Johnson's versatility. Johnson's value plummets off the bench because Indiana has so many players who can play the 2/3.

Indiana is much better when we're able to get out and run. Starting Holt limits that to an extent because that's just not his game. Williams at the 4 gives Indiana SO many more options, and allowing Holt to play with either Williams or Bryant gives us more flexibility.

Yogi
Blackmon
Johnson
Williams
Bryant

You then fill in the back court with Zeisloft, Hartman, OG, and whatever Niego can bring (and I happen to think he can help...the kind of kid we need). Williams can obviously slide down to the 3 when we need him to,, Hartman can step up to the 4 when we need him to; and I'm not as confident in Priller or Morgan to provide depth in the front court, so I think Holt provides some much needed bench strength in the front court. Bielfelt will also help in the front court, but a one-year add isn't someone to count on for anything more than stability.

stability is a good thing. No reason we should ever need Holt, a 6'7 player playing center this season when we have two serviceable centers. Holt is a 4 and a good one that can get out and run on the fast break. We need to protect the rim, rebound and play defense. Starting Williams, Holt and Bryant gives us those things

[Old Friend 8,389]

stability is a good thing. No reason we should ever need Holt, a 6'7 player playing center this season when we have two serviceable centers. Holt is a 4 and a good one that can get out and run on the fast break. We need to protect the rim, rebound and play defense. Starting Williams, Holt and Bryant gives us those things

We don't score well when we don't run.  This is still a very limited half court offensive system, and making us slower does very little good for our offense.  If we are better defensively at the expense of offensive productivity, we're not as good.   We still rely on kick and shoot and also creating our own shot, and Holt does none of those things.   He's Brian Sloan.  He has a very definite role, but the more minutes he plays, the less likely we are to be at our best.   Our best is speed and shooters.  He's neither.

[Old Friend 8,389]

Holt may not be the quickest player down the floor but both he and Bryant hustle. Having Holt and Bryant on the floor at the same time provides balance to our break. If Holt is out on the break you have Bryant lay back for a counter break. Williams can also help on this but he hasn't been consistent enough.

Hartman and Bielfedt will provide front court depth. If Holt or Bryant are in foul trouble or winded you bring in Hartman and still have a solid front court.

They "hustle?"  Shouldn't that be a given for any college athlete?   Balance to our break?  I don't understand that.  What kind of balance do you need on a break?  You want to spread the floor with shooters and send one guy to put his nose under the rim.   Or, you want a guy with the ball at least even with the deepest defender.   What's a "counter break?"  Do you mean secondary break?   If so, two trailers defeats the whole purpose.   

 

Have you seen Williams??  Help with...what?  Williams is the only player Indiana has who can literally play all 5 spots on a break.  He can also get the ball off the rim and take it up the floor himself.  He's the only front court player we have who can do that.   I don't count on Bielfelt to give us anything.  He's never played in this system and didn't produce much at Michigan.  

[Flash3 77]

We don't score well when we don't run. This is still a very limited half court offensive system, and making us slower does very little good for our offense. If we are better defensively at the expense of offensive productivity, we're not as good. We still rely on kick and shoot and also creating our own shot, and Holt does none of those things. He's Brian Sloan. He has a very definite role, but the more minutes he plays, the less likely we are to be at our best. Our best is speed and shooters. He's neither.

We're going to have offense on the floor. Offense isn't a problem. It is defense. Personally I think Holt is one of our 5 best players. We were able to have a great offense with Watford at the 4. We all know he wasn't the quickest man in the world. Yes we had Cody but there were multiple times where we saw Holt beating the opposing team down the floor. What Holt does is give us guard depth and evens out our roster. I am one(and probably the only one) that believes RJ shouldn't be on the floor for more than 20 minutes unless he's having a good game. I think put best lineup is Yogi, JBJ, Troy, Holt and Bryant. It gives us, size, rebounding and Troy is most likely the worst shooter of the 5. Holt has seemed to really benefit from his first summer in Bloomington. We as fans shouldn't be worried about "a player slowing it down." Because a normal break will be pushed by your PG, SG and SF with your bigs trailing. We actually have a chance to have a normal looking team and 2 man depth at each spot. But we'll see this year how stubborn Crean is. Especially how stubborn he is with the 3 guard lineup.

[Flash3 77]

Johnson. You guys remember last year when we thought Stanford would be on the borderline of starting or 6th man? Carved out a 6th man role and his minutes kept dipping with his inconsistent play. Then he transferred. We can't be losing quality players.

If we're a better team with RJ coming off the bench then so be it. If he wants to transfer because we've become a better team then why should we want him around? Winning cures a lot. Will Sheehey came off the bench for 3 years and never complained and we were winning in 2 of those years. If we're winning then nothing matters. Winning is the only thing that matters. If players want to put themselves above us winning then they don't need to be around.

[HoosierCoop 3,885]

Game time decision :laugh:

[87 Rides a Surfboard 41]

Neither. Collin. Plays hard, rebounds, stretches the D.

[biteoftheapple 4,115]

I have to side with Old Friend, RJ on the court, Holt coming in off the bench.

[JSHoosier 19,811]

They "hustle?" Shouldn't that be a given for any college athlete? Balance to our break? I don't understand that. What kind of balance do you need on a break? You want to spread the floor with shooters and send one guy to put his nose under the rim. Or, you want a guy with the ball at least even with the deepest defender. What's a "counter break?" Do you mean secondary break? If so, two trailers defeats the whole purpose.

Have you seen Williams?? Help with...what? Williams is the only player Indiana has who can literally play all 5 spots on a break. He can also get the ball off the rim and take it up the floor himself. He's the only front court player we have who can do that. I don't count on Bielfelt to give us anything. He's never played in this system and didn't produce much at Michigan.

By counter break I think he means the opponent getting out on a break of their own.

[Stuhoo 79,563]

Holt and Hartman are not good because they "hustle"; Old Friend is right: playing hard should be a given and most all players do so.

 

The reason that it appears that Holt and Hartman "hustle" is because, ulike a less intuitive player like Perea, Holt and Hartman use their bodies well, have pretty good footwork, and mentally process well so that they intuitively get to more than their share of loose balls and offensive rebounds.

 

I very much like Holt off the bench for that reason. When playing against either an opponent's backup bigs or an opponent's tired starting bigs, this "nose for the ball" gene that is wired into Holt seems to be magnified.

[HereWeGoAgain 27]

I'll say this - anyone who thinks CTC is going to start Holt over Johnson hasn't paid a whole lot of attention to how CTC plays. He plays guards. Johnson will start.