OT: Scoring in college basketball

[Hutch89 2,939]

I can deal with 30. I would not have been happy with anything less.

do you think this would give IU an advantage in B1G play, with the way Crean favors the run-n-gun?

[Class of '66 Old Fart 85,690]

do you think this would give IU an advantage in B1G play, with the way Crean favors the run-n-gun?

 

At the very least, it's 5 less seconds of defense we have to play each possession which given how poorly we played defense last season could be a blessing.

[Hovadipo 56,838]

do you think this would give IU an advantage in B1G play, with the way Crean favors the run-n-gun?

This was implemented for the NIT and it sounded like the teams didn't even notice. I think 24 would've benefitted us a ton, but I didn't want that at all. I'm not sure we will really notice it after a month or two.

[JSHoosier 20,474]

At the very least, it's 5 less seconds of defense we have to play each possession which given how poorly we played defense last season could be a blessing.

Let's just start with actually playing 5 seconds of defense.

[WayneFleekHoosier 48,693]

This was implemented for the NIT and it sounded like the teams didn't even notice. I think 24 would've benefitted us a ton, but I didn't want that at all. I'm not sure we will really notice it after a month or two.

we and another handful of teams benefit greatly from this. I'm excited about this change if it occurs.

[Scooter D 928]

my guess...scoring as a whole across college hoops will decrease because of this change.  Bad idea IMO.

[HoosierHoops1 5,024]

As long as Indiana's scoring maintains and our opponents scoring decreases then I'm good.

 

That's how it should be this season, regardless.

[LIHoosier 26,573]

Here are the rules changes that the NCAA men's rules committee have proposed for approval next month. I like the shot clock and changes in timeouts, but I'll only believe the emphasis on physicality when I see it.

 

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/12893128/ncaa-committee-calls-30-second-shot-clock-series-proposals-speed-games

 

http://www.ncaa.com/news/basketball-men/article/2015-05-15/mens-basketball-rules-committee-recommends-package-proposals

 

Awaiting NCAA's Final Approval

Proposal to increase possessions and pace of play:
1. Reduce the shot clock to 30 seconds.

 

Proposed rules to reduce physicality:
1. Strict enforcement of defensive rules.
2. Providing offensive players same principles of verticality protections as defensive players.
3. Move restricted-area arc out from 3 to 4 feet.

 

Proposed changes related to timeouts:
1. Number of timeouts reduced from 5 to 4, with no more than 3 being carried over into second half
2. Stricter enforcement of resumption of play coming out of timeouts and after a player has fouled out.
3. Team timeouts within 30 seconds before media timeouts will become media timeouts, with exception of first team timeout in second half.

 

Also, coaches won't be able to call timeouts while the ball is live, the 5 second close guard rule will be gone, floppers can get a technical when officials review any flagrant calls...and dunking permitted in warmups!

[jmsgws 2,181]

we and another handful of teams benefit greatly from this. I'm excited about this change if it occurs.

I don't see how we benefit from this much at all.  I see it as a non factor.  IU couldn't play half court offense last year, and making the shot clock 30 seconds won't change the fact, that if we don't score on a break away,  our offense reverts to doing nothing until there are 5 seconds on the shot clock, a guard driving towards the basket, and either turning it over, or lucking into an open player.  

On the defensive side of the ball, we either played defense on a possession or we didn't.  Don't see that changing due to a shot clock change.

I realize that sounds bitter and it has a lot of generalizations, but....

[MartintheMopMan 7,765]

At least I'm confident that we'll be able to adapt to the TO changes. Heck, they can cut them down to one per half!

[Class of '66 Old Fart 85,690]

I think the reduction in the shot clock from 35 to 30 seconds will be a big benefit for IU.   We'll not have to playact defense for 5 less seconds each possession and that's 5 seconds less each possession for us to experience unhealthy high blood pressure.

[FindEndNow 198]

Yes it is a problem. But there are a few things that need to be done. The e0 second shot clock is only 5 seconds out of 11 in the right direction. The refs need to call fouls. One reason offenses are so bad is because of how physical the game is. Basketball is not a contact sport. As soon as you put your hands on another player it is a foul. Players have to learn to play defense with their feet like you're supposed to. Another issue is spacing. 3 pt line needs to be moved back another foot or 2. Probably 2 feet to 22-9(NBA is 23-9). The game of basketball is about scoring. In 2001 there were about 150 teams that averaged over 70 possessions. This past year there were about 30. That's a problem. Why has it slowed down? No idea. Honestly makes no sense to go so slow on offense and make it so easy on the defense. I think they should completely get rid of the block/charge call. Either go up and contest the shot (not always a foul because of the verticality rule and would let the refs watch the offensive players elbows and hands) or you just get out of the way. But yes there is a MASSIVE scoring problem in CBB. Coaches and players are also to blame. Also... overseas and in Canada college basketball players play with a 24 second shot clock. They do great with it. I don't see why American players can't play with a 24 second shot clock. Men's CBB is the only league without a 2r second shot clock. Why? No clue. Just stupidity really.

[FindEndNow 198]

You'd have to check out the average scores for the NIT compared to the NCAA tourney. I think the NIT's was higher the last time i checked.

[FindEndNow 198]

European players are very fundamental and play with a 24 second shot clock. They have no problem with it in college. I think American players can do it too.

[CottageGrove 563]

The two potential changes I'm most interested in are the timeout reduction and the rule about a TO within 30 seconds of a TV timeout counting as the TV timeout.

I think all of stoppages during games hurt the game itself, kill momentum swings and make half and game ends drag on, and these changes will help. The TV timeouts thing especially is a big pet peeve for me.

I don't think the shot clock change will have too much of an impact. It may help reduce the time some teams stand around doing nothing though. And I'm definitely for emphasis on enforcing defensive rules.

[rebelhoosier848891 9,588]

I saw that Yogi tweeted today he is all for the 30 second shot clock because it means more possessions. It should favor us this next season---we will have shooters/scorers everywhere and will have to play defense for a shorter period of time.

[JSHoosier 20,474]

Yes it is a problem. But there are a few things that need to be done. The e0 second shot clock is only 5 seconds out of 11 in the right direction. The refs need to call fouls. One reason offenses are so bad is because of how physical the game is. Basketball is not a contact sport. As soon as you put your hands on another player it is a foul. Players have to learn to play defense with their feet like you're supposed to. Another issue is spacing. 3 pt line needs to be moved back another foot or 2. Probably 2 feet to 22-9(NBA is 23-9). The game of basketball is about scoring. In 2001 there were about 150 teams that averaged over 70 possessions. This past year there were about 30. That's a problem. Why has it slowed down? No idea. Honestly makes no sense to go so slow on offense and make it so easy on the defense. I think they should completely get rid of the block/charge call. Either go up and contest the shot (not always a foul because of the verticality rule and would let the refs watch the offensive players elbows and hands) or you just get out of the way. But yes there is a MASSIVE scoring problem in CBB. Coaches and players are also to blame. Also... overseas and in Canada college basketball players play with a 24 second shot clock. They do great with it. I don't see why American players can't play with a 24 second shot clock. Men's CBB is the only league without a 2r second shot clock. Why? No clue. Just stupidity really.

They need to call MORE fouls?  The flow of the is game already ruined by calling too many ticky tack fouls.  I like seeing defense being played, I would love to see us have a lockdown defense that we can rely on.  Playing slower doesn't necessarily make it easier on the defense, a team like Wisconsin that slows the game down and works for the best shot forces you to stay in your defense and work longer.

 

Frankly, the college game doesn't need to be more like the NBA.  The Not Basketball Anymore is unbearable to watch, and I would probably lose all the enjoyment I get from watching college hoops if they pandered to the idiot casual fan and just wanted to put scoring threw the roof.

[FindEndNow 198]

The NBA is a much better league. You actually have to play defense in the NBA and not just grab your opponent and hold them back. So yes, more fouls need to be called. Players need to learn how to actually play defense. The physicality of the game is ridiculous and isn't how basketball should be played by any means.

[JSHoosier 20,474]

We'll have to agree to disagree.  I hate seeing the game stopped all the time because of stupid ticky tack fouls that should be let go.  Work for the best shot and wear the defense out by making them stay in their stance longer.  I like the fundamentals, they can make the game of basketball beautiful to watch; if you want to pander to the casual fan that knows nothing about the game that's you prerogative but I will not join you.  If they destroy the college game by doing that I may stop watching.

 

I don't care if there is some physicality, I don't want complete mugging but some physicality is just fine.  Oladipo was our best defender by far, but he didn't exactly keep his hands off players.  Don't cry about it wanting the zebras to help you, friggin' deal with it and fight through.

[FindEndNow 198]

That isn't basketball. Basketball is about getting buckets.