IU vs. UK

[moyemayhem 1,476]

Everyone talks about not giving into Cal.  I think that's a very short sighted perspective.  Playing UK is way bigger than the current coaches or ADs.  It's about the FANS.  That was a huge game for all of us. 

 

Not playing it sets the wrong historical precedent and destroys the rivalry.  It's not good for IU or UK in the long run, and it's not good for college basketball.  Not having that marquee game reduces the stature of both teams.  Believe me, we are way better off playing UK on national television every year at a neutral site, than we are trying to find ANY alternative option.  Potential games with Louisville, Kansas, UCLA, etc. are simply not the same and will never replace the rivalry we have/had with UK.  We can rationalize it all we want, but not playing that game is NEVER going to be a positive for IU.

[HoosierHoops1 5,024]

After our '11 victory and the '11/'12 sweet 16 game, '12 against the #1 team wouldn't have been marquee win?

 

Hell no. It would have been a marquee LOSS!

[HoosierHoops1 5,024]

Everyone talks about not giving into Cal.  I think that's a very short sighted perspective.  Playing UK is way bigger than the current coaches or ADs.  It's about the FANS.  That was a huge game for all of us. 

 

Not playing it sets the wrong historical precedent and destroys the rivalry.  It's not good for IU or UK in the long run, and it's not good for college basketball.  Not having that marquee game reduces the stature of both teams.  Believe me, we are way better off playing UK on national television every year at a neutral site, than we are trying to find ANY alternative option.  Potential games with Louisville, Kansas, UCLA, etc. are simply not the same and will never replace the rivalry we have/had with UK.  We can rationalize it all we want, but not playing that game is NEVER going to be a positive for IU.

and still your saying for IU to take a backseat to the wishes of cal. no way, no how

[Alford Bailey 12,837]

Everyone talks about not giving into Cal.  I think that's a very short sighted perspective.  Playing UK is way bigger than the current coaches or ADs.  It's about the FANS.  That was a huge game for all of us. 

 

Not playing it sets the wrong historical precedent and destroys the rivalry.  It's not good for IU or UK in the long run, and it's not good for college basketball.  Not having that marquee game reduces the stature of both teams.  Believe me, we are way better off playing UK on national television every year at a neutral site, than we are trying to find ANY alternative option.  Potential games with Louisville, Kansas, UCLA, etc. are simply not the same and will never replace the rivalry we have/had with UK.  We can rationalize it all we want, but not playing that game is NEVER going to be a positive for IU.

 

Everyone talks about not giving into Cal.  I think that's a very short sighted perspective.  Playing UK is way bigger than the current coaches or ADs.  It's about the FANS.  That was a huge game for all of us. 

 

Not playing it sets the wrong historical precedent and destroys the rivalry.  It's not good for IU or UK in the long run, and it's not good for college basketball.  Not having that marquee game reduces the stature of both teams.  Believe me, we are way better off playing UK on national television every year at a neutral site, than we are trying to find ANY alternative option.  Potential games with Louisville, Kansas, UCLA, etc. are simply not the same and will never replace the rivalry we have/had with UK.  We can rationalize it all we want, but not playing that game is NEVER going to be a positive for IU.

 

Everyone talks about not giving into Cal.  I think that's a very short sighted perspective.  Playing UK is way bigger than the current coaches or ADs.  It's about the FANS.  That was a huge game for all of us. 

 

Not playing it sets the wrong historical precedent and destroys the rivalry.  It's not good for IU or UK in the long run, and it's not good for college basketball.  Not having that marquee game reduces the stature of both teams.  Believe me, we are way better off playing UK on national television every year at a neutral site, than we are trying to find ANY alternative option.  Potential games with Louisville, Kansas, UCLA, etc. are simply not the same and will never replace the rivalry we have/had with UK.  We can rationalize it all we want, but not playing that game is NEVER going to be a positive for IU.

1000 up votes for you, sir.

[Josh 12,949]

Indiana WANTED to play in Rupp. We wanted to beat Kentucky in Rupp. Cal wanted no part of it. I wouldn't let him squirm out of it either.

This is 100% right.  Calipari refused to renew the contract, Crean wanted to.  And we would have whooped them at Rupp that year too.

 

Crean has just done a worse job of filling our schedule.  

 

Screw UK, I'm not kissing their ass.  We should have kicked it instead if Cal wasn't scared.

[BlueDevil 9,347]

Indiana WANTED to play in Rupp. We wanted to beat Kentucky in Rupp. Cal wanted no part of it. I wouldn't let him squirm out of it either.

I'm not but people are making this seem like this has always been home and home. From 1991-2005 the games weren't even played on respective campuses (Louisville and Indy.)

[Townie 138]

Looking at all this subjectively, one thing that is commonly overlooked is the importance of the neutral site games when Kentucky plays "at IU" aka (Lucas Oil/ Bankers Life/ whatever Indianapolis venue...). Coach Cal has a perfect opportunity to not only visit, but also "host" Indianapolis recruits on essentially an away game.  

 

That's one reason UK wants Neutral sites so badly.  Indianapolis and Indiana High school talent > High School talent everywhere else, especially Kentucky's piss poor HS talent.  UK has nothing to lose and no HS talent to poach when other schools come in town.

 

I also read following that UK upset to WVU back in 2011 or 2012 in the NCAA, Cal was saying a major reason they lost was because they hadn't played in a football arena that whole season, and the atmosphere and ambiance threw his inexperienced team of freshmen off.  So i guess if you think about it, for the sole purpose of prepping your team up for March Madness and the NCAA tourney, playing a bunch of neutrals is kinda beneficial.

[HoosierRob 1,042]

At the time cal had not lost a hone game while at uk.. He knew IU was gonna be loaded in 2012.. So he wanted no part of letting us come in to rupp and hand him his first loss at home ..which we easily would have .. Uk was an nit team that year .. So he tried to change it while he could

[Townie 138]

This is 100% right.  Calipari refused to renew the contract, Crean wanted to.  And we would have whooped them at Rupp that year too.

 

Crean has just done a worse job of filling our schedule.  

 

Screw UK, I'm not kissing their ass.  We should have kicked it instead if Cal wasn't scared.

I think this is a really stupid argument. I don't think it's so much who's scared of one another. It was a matter of ego's and UK being pretentious enough to say, "We can do better without you, than you without us".... Sadly, so far they've been right.

 

The one thing that's kinda @^$%& us is the Hoosier Crossroad Classic, it's not so much the teams participating are bad, it just eats up the one weekend where all the other marquee tournaments take place with all the other blueblood schools like UK, DUKE, KU, MSU, UNC, etc...

[Townie 138]

At the time cal had not lost a hone game while at uk.. He knew IU was gonna be loaded in 2012.. So he wanted no part of letting us come in to rupp and hand him his first loss at home ..which we easily would have .. Uk was an nit team that year .. So he tried to change it while he could

 

Well in all fairness, he opted out of the series before he and the rest of the college basketball world knew his team would be poop.

 

I think it's fair to say, that IU was projected to be better, I think we had the #1 preseason rank, but they were also up there at #3 i think? So while scheduling, it would've been a 1v3 matchup on paper. remember, hindsight is always 20/20

[Alford Bailey 12,837]

I think this is a really stupid argument. I don't think it's so much who's scared of one another. It was a matter of ego's and UK being pretentious enough to say, "We can do better without you, than you without us".... Sadly, so far they've been right.

 

The one thing that's kinda &%$^ us is the Hoosier Crossroad Classic, it's not so much the teams participating are bad, it just eats up the one weekend where all the other marquee tournaments take place with all the other blueblood schools like UK, DUKE, KU, MSU, UNC, etc...

I've said it before the Crossroads Classic does not benefit IU.

[southernindianahoosier 422]

I've said it before the Crossroads Classic does not benefit IU.

Who's decision was/is the crossroads classic, and when is our contract up?

I don't understand why we cannot play both Notre Dame and Butler in our non-con.

I'd love to see IU play a road non-con at Hinkle!

[biteoftheapple 4,115]

Both Notre Dame and Butler are top 25. Those are our possible opponents. SOS alone its worthy.

[Josh 12,949]

I think this is a really stupid argument. I don't think it's so much who's scared of one another. It was a matter of ego's and UK being pretentious enough to say, "We can do better without you, than you without us".... Sadly, so far they've been right.

 

The one thing that's kinda &$%$ us is the Hoosier Crossroad Classic, it's not so much the teams participating are bad, it just eats up the one weekend where all the other marquee tournaments take place with all the other blueblood schools like UK, DUKE, KU, MSU, UNC, etc...

I agree with everything you say except the "really stupid argument" part.  What I said did weigh on Calipari's ego imo.

[Alford Bailey 12,837]

Both Notre Dame and Butler are top 25. Those are our possible opponents. SOS alone its worthy.

This year, yes. Typically, its a game we are "supposed" to win, though.

[Alford Bailey 12,837]

Who's decision was/is the crossroads classic, and when is our contract up?

I don't understand why we cannot play both Notre Dame and Butler in our non-con.

I'd love to see IU play a road non-con at Hinkle!

Glass loves it. I think we just signed up for several more years.

[southernindianahoosier 422]

Glass loves it. I think we just signed up for several more years.

So am I reading into this correctly... Glass is responsible for the crossroads classic? And the Crean extension? Hard to like this guy.

[Uwe Robb 1,072]

and still your saying for IU to take a backseat to the wishes of cal. no way, no how

I don't understand? If everybody is saying he was afraid of us and he didn't want to play us then we gave into his wishes by not playing him.

 

We should still be playing this game. I don't care where and who gets to see it. They can play it in Cook Hall with no audience. It should still be played EVERY year!!!!

[Uwe Robb 1,072]

I'm not but people are making this seem like this has always been home and home. From 1991-2005 the games weren't even played on respective campuses (Louisville and Indy.)

I was at every single one of those games.

[jonz44 814]

Looking at all this subjectively, one thing that is commonly overlooked is the importance of the neutral site games when Kentucky plays "at IU" aka (Lucas Oil/ Bankers Life/ whatever Indianapolis venue...). Coach Cal has a perfect opportunity to not only visit, but also "host" Indianapolis recruits on essentially an away game.

That's one reason UK wants Neutral sites so badly. Indianapolis and Indiana High school talent > High School talent everywhere else, especially Kentucky's piss poor HS talent. UK has nothing to lose and no HS talent to poach when other schools come in town.

I also read following that UK upset to WVU back in 2011 or 2012 in the NCAA, Cal was saying a major reason they lost was because they hadn't played in a football arena that whole season, and the atmosphere and ambiance threw his inexperienced team of freshmen off. So i guess if you think about it, for the sole purpose of prepping your team up for March Madness and the NCAA tourney, playing a bunch of neutrals is kinda beneficial.

Your first two paragraphs highlight my biggest concern. Does UK have a facility in their backyard comparable to Lucas Oil that could be used to host the event? NO!

Although I believe it's a loss for us to not play them I'm not so sure that it wouldn't be a bigger loss to invite them in to play a big game in our backyard which just happens to be one of the most fertile recruiting area in the country.