College Bball Thread

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[Stuhoo 81,071]

2 hours ago, Loaded Chicken Sandwich said:

Is this some Bleacher Report anti-IUBB hot-take?

We are #16 in the country with wins over two Top-25 teams and no bad losses.

[Uspshoosier 45,880]

No college basketball today.  Last day without college basketball until sometime in March 

[Loaded Chicken Sandwich 8,691]

39 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

Is this some Bleacher Report anti-IUBB hot-take?

We are #16 in the country with wins over two Top-25 teams and no bad losses.

No this is me. Indiana wasn't ever as high in mine as it was in the AP. Indiana dropped from 14 to 19 after the Rutgers game. 19 to 22 after the Arizona game. 22 to out after the Kansas game. 

[southsidehoosier 5,034]

40 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

Is this some Bleacher Report anti-IUBB hot-take?

We are #16 in the country with wins over two Top-25 teams and no bad losses.

Aren’t we one of only a couple teams with a top 25 road win too?

[Stuhoo 81,071]

19 minutes ago, Loaded Chicken Sandwich said:

No this is me. Indiana wasn't ever as high in mine as it was in the AP. Indiana dropped from 14 to 19 after the Rutgers game. 19 to 22 after the Arizona game. 22 to out after the Kansas game. 

Cheer up, LCS! IUBB is fine and good.

[Uspshoosier 45,880]

 

[Uspshoosier 45,880]

 

[Loaded Chicken Sandwich 8,691]

36 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

Cheer up, LCS! IUBB is fine and good.

Maybe it is, but what other team wouldn't drop out from 22md after getting completely dominated?

[Loaded Chicken Sandwich 8,691]

35 minutes ago, Uspshoosier said:

 

And you're going to see lots of crappy arguments about how the 10th place 2-10 Big 12 team should be in the tourney. 

[Uspshoosier 45,880]

14 minutes ago, Loaded Chicken Sandwich said:

And you're going to see lots of crappy arguments about how the 10th place 2-10 Big 12 team should be in the tourney. 

That would be extreme and it would be a 2-16 team because they play 18 conference games.    I know you hate it but it will allow for a 8-10 or even 7-11 Big 12 team have a shot at making the tourney.    Just like B1G is probably going to get a team with 8-12 or 9-11 get in.   It is what it is and isn’t going to change as long as these conference set themselves up in the non conference which will allow more teams.   I know your stance 

[Loaded Chicken Sandwich 8,691]

2 hours ago, Uspshoosier said:

That would be extreme and it would be a 2-16 team because they play 18 conference games.    I know you hate it but it will allow for a 8-10 or even 7-11 Big 12 team have a shot at making the tourney.    Just like B1G is probably going to get a team with 8-12 or 9-11 get in.   It is what it is and isn’t going to change as long as these conference set themselves up in the non conference which will allow more teams.   I know your stance 

I do hate it, and that team will do what they do best, lose. 

[Stuhoo 81,071]

3 hours ago, Loaded Chicken Sandwich said:

Maybe it is, but what other team wouldn't drop out from 22md after getting completely dominated?

Who the hell had them at 22?

[Uspshoosier 45,880]

4 hours ago, Loaded Chicken Sandwich said:

Maybe it is, but what other team wouldn't drop out from 22md after getting completely dominated?

They would depend on who the voter is.   Some voters might not penalize the 22nd team(in whoever’s poll) for getting waxed on the road at a top 5 team in whoever’s poll.   Either way polls are for the fans and have no bearing in  March.   

 

[HoosierHoops1 5,024]

On 12/25/2022 at 3:35 PM, Demo said:

I think 2 things: 1) I think schedules where you aren’t playing everyone home and home are inherently unequal. No way around it. But, if you play 5 of your 1st 7 on the road, you’re then playing 8 of your last 13 at home. Everyone’s playing 10 and 10. I don’t want to hear preemptive bitching about it from a coach. 2) I think the idea that B1G seasonal scheduling has anything at all  to do with failures in the tournament lacks even the slightest merit, and a coach who’s yet to play a season in the conference needs to have a seat. 

Style of play, officiating, and lack of top end talent are the main factors behind the BIG's lack of titles.

 

[HoosierHoops1 5,024]

5 hours ago, Loaded Chicken Sandwich said:

Maybe it is, but what other team wouldn't drop out from 22nd after getting completely dominated?

It depends on what other teams around them did. Teams don't play in a vacuum. Duke was #1 one season #2 and 3 lost and Duke stayed #1. They didn't just become 10th or 12th.

 Voters (AP et al) are much more fickle and reactionary these day, it seems.

[RaceToTheTop 25,919]

8 hours ago, Uspshoosier said:

 

Just finished my way-too-early WAR rankings (comparison of teams to what I believe is the minimum number of wins they need to make the tournament.  It didn't d a great job of predicting seeding last year BUT if a team finished the year at +1 or better, they did make the tournament.  The top teams will be +10 by the end.

In my rankings, top 50 conference teams consisted of:

3 AAC teams

6 ACC teams

9 Big 10 teams

8 Big 12 teams

3 Big East teams

3 CUSA teams

1 Mountain East team

3 Mountain West teams

4 Pac 12 teams

7 SEC teams

1 WAC team

2 WCC teams

Rankings in order (parenthesis is current WAR)

1.  UConn, 13-0 (+3.93)

2.  Kansas 11-1 (+3.49)

3.  Purdue 12-0 (+3.31

4.  Arizona 12-1 (+3.17)

5.  Gonzaga 10-3 (+2.84)

6.  Miami (F) 12-1 (+2.68)

7.  Wisconsin 9-2 (+2.59)

8.  Houston 12-1 (+2.54)

9.  UCLA 11-2 (+2.29)

10. New Mexico 11-0 (+2.28)

11. Arkansas 11-1 (+1.96)

12. Virginia 8-2 (+1.93)

13. Tennessee 10-2 (+1.81)

14. Missouri 11-1 (+1.72)

15. Memphis 10-3 (+1.71)

16. Arizona St 11-2 (+1.69)

17. Baylor 9-2 (+1.60)

18. Auburn 10-2 (+1.55)

19. Texas 10-1 (+1.5)

20. NC State 11-3 (+1.55)

21T.. Duke 10-3 (+1.40)

21T. Kansas St 11-1 (+1.40)

21T. Xavier 10-3 (+1.40)

24.  Virginia Tech 11-2 (+1.38)

25. San Diego St 8-3 (+1.30)

26.  Mississippi St 11-1 (+1.29)

27.  UNLV 10-1 (+1.27)

28. Utah St 10-2 (+1.26)

29.  UNC 9-4 (+1.23)

30.  Charleston 11-1 (+1.15)

31T. Michigan St 8-4 (+1.14)

31T. Iowa St 9-2 (+1.14)

33T. Indiana 10-3 (+1.04)

33T West Virginia 10-2 (+1.04)

35.  USC 10-3 (+0.96)

36. TCU  10-1 (+0.94)

37. Oklahoma 9-3 (0.89)

38. Ohio State 8-3 (+0.82)

39T. Florida Atlantic 9-1 (+0.81)

39T. St. John's 11-2 (+0.81)

41. Maryland 9-3 (+0.80)

42.Northwestern 9-2 (+0.78)

43. North Texas 8-2 (+0.72)

44. St. Mary's 10-4 (+0.68)

45. LSU 11-1 (+0.63)

46. Kentucky 8-3 (+0.56)

47. Penn State 9-3 (+0.60)

48. Marquette 9-4 (+0.44)

49. Illinois 8-4  (+0.38)

50. UAB 9-2 (+0.37)

 

[RaceToTheTop 25,919]

4 hours ago, Loaded Chicken Sandwich said:

I do hate it, and that team will do what they do best, lose. 

Honestly, the 8/9/10th place Big 12 team probably has as good of a shot as a 2nd place team from a low mid major would.  Oklahoma, for instance, is better than Drake.

[Loaded Chicken Sandwich 8,691]

4 hours ago, Stuhoo said:

Who the hell had them at 22?

I had them at 22. I'm not the AP, I don't have 80 journos voting in my poll. It's just me. You can go back and look at the Top 25s I've posted. I think I've posted all of them. And you can see where Indiana slid from 14th to unranked. 

[Loaded Chicken Sandwich 8,691]

3 hours ago, Uspshoosier said:

They would depend on who the voter is.   Some voters might not penalize the 22nd team(in whoever’s poll) for getting waxed on the road at a top 5 team in whoever’s poll.   Either way polls are for the fans and have no bearing in  March.   

 

 

3 hours ago, HoosierHoops1 said:

It depends on what other teams around them did. Teams don't play in a vacuum. Duke was #1 one season #2 and 3 lost and Duke stayed #1. They didn't just become 10th or 12th.

 Voters (AP et al) are much more fickle and reactionary these day, it seems.

Well... Other teams around them and behind them won sooo...