When You've Lost The Locker Room

[Stuhoo 85,200]

It's time, or it will be as soon as the timing is right.

 

I don't think of myself as one who got there easily, but I'm there.

 

With real certainty.

 

I'm there.

[Hovadipo 59,191]

We're....there.

[brtjohns 711]

you can't not be there.  on and off the court it's been...ugly, to say the least.  the disappointments and deserved performance critiques outweigh the accomplishments.  blind man can see that.

 

the accomplishments shouldn't be forgotten though.  consistent stellar apr scores and graduating players, the conference championship, helping vic rise to superstardom, landing hoosier burger boys over elite schools -- zeller over unc, yogi over florida and jbj over kansas & puke...

 

he just has clear weaknesses -- don't feel the need to rehash them -- that very likely will disable you from flourishing in a place with sky-high expectations like bloomington.  hope he has success wherever his career takes him next.

[shortspacequickness 1,034]

I, for one, see no reason why he should lose his job over drinking and smoking pot...even considering all of the details.

 

He deserves the chance to fix it. And that he will get.

[2Much 165]

I, for one, see no reason why he should lose his job over drinking and smoking pot...even considering all of the details.

He deserves the chance to fix it. And that he will get.

I thought he was given that chance back in February after Hanner's arrest and a couple of positive drug tests. A couple of drug tests, three citations, and one skull fracture later, here we are...

[BlueDevil 9,256]

I thought he was given that chance back in February after Hanner's arrest and a couple of positive drug tests. A couple of drug tests, three citations, and one skull fracture later, here we are...

6 of 13 players involved in bullshit since February. 6!

[iubirdman 98]

I thought he was given that chance back in February after Hanner's arrest and a couple of positive drug tests. A couple of drug tests, three citations, and one skull fracture later, here we are...

 

You beat me to it, was just going to post the exact same thing.  Had a chance to fix and deal with it after the spring arrests and after the 1st positive test for Troy and Stan and obviously we did not get it fixed.

[2Much 165]

6 of 13 players involved in BS since February. 6!

...and we need to specify that it's six of thirteen CAUGHT since February.

[TrueHoosier62 1,641]

I, for one, see no reason why he should lose his job over drinking and smoking pot...even considering all of the details.

 

He deserves the chance to fix it. And that he will get.

What a crazy world it has become. I'd have thought the above sentiment was cut and pasted right out of a Kentucky basketball forum. No way I'd have thought something like this would eventually show up here, or in Bloomington.

The basketball gods must still be pissed at us for having fired Bob Knight. Truth be known, we probably deserve it.

[Stuhoo 85,200]

You guys talk about failing a drug test like it's rape. You don't get rid of kids for failing a drug test or getting a DUI. You try to help them. That's what IU has consistently done. And the players **** the bed. So yes, they should go. Not the coach. Because the problem here isn't the coach.

 

 

 

Strongly disagree.

 

Ultimately, the mantle of leadership falls on the head coach.

 

for the kids he recruits,

for the disciplinary methods employed,

and because the ultimate rewards for the team are attributed to the head coach, and so are the ultimate failures.

[shortspacequickness 1,034]

Blaming the coach is lazy logic yet so easy to do. I'm not going to get in any debates here because obviously everyone else is resigned to the fact that we are going to blow our program up yet again possibly to the point of no recovery ever.

 

Obviously the coach is responsible. No shit. But it's a bigger picture than that.

[shortspacequickness 1,034]

Let's face it. Brad Stevens isn't coming here. He wants to spend his summers with his family, not in some back Vegas gym.

 

No heavy hitter is coming here. Be careful what you wish for.

[IndianaBornAlum 9]

Failed drug tests mean dick. I could give you a mile long list of Knight's players who smoked regularly, at least two of whom put joints, pipes, or bongs into my hands. But we're not talking about an isolated incident. Cream has to stop the bleeding now, and I'm pretty certain that he's smart enough to know that. The only question is, can he get it across to them or not? No one wanted to see Devin hurt, but maybe, just maybe, this accident will wake our kids up. If it doesn't, and Cream can't help them connect the dots, then and only then, should he be labeled as a failed teach and shown the door. They are kids. We all made the same mistakes, and pointing out that they represent us, is hypocrisy in a way. Glass houses people...Glass houses.

[IndianaBornAlum 9]

Boy, oh boy.
What an offseason we have had.
The season hasn’t even started and the Indiana University Men’s Basketball program has been in the news just about as often as the Ebola epidemic — but seemingly more deadly.
Many have noticed that I have had a deafening silence after the incident involving my very own family member, my beloved son Yogi. I had a lot of thoughts about Yogi and his poor decision on that dreaded day last April, just several days short of his 21st birthday.
I’ve gotten both positive support and negative reprimands from the IU fan base. Most have said that they too have a son or daughter who has done the exact same thing — fake ID and underage drinking — and some admit that they did it themselves as well.
Though the sentiment is understandable, it is far from comforting.
It is only a reminder of how common underage drinking remains on college campuses. The problem is not immune to any race, lifestyle, or socioeconomic status.
So how did I feel? I went through so many emotions. First, I was furious! Then, once word starts filtering to the public, it becomes embarrassment. And I’d be lying if if didn’t say that I was also in denial, protective, and angry at anyone who had negative things to say about Yogi.
As Yogi grew up, he was constantly reminded of the dangers of alcohol. As I have mentioned previously, working late nights as an anesthesiologist at the county hospital I have seen far too many horrific accidents that were the result of alcohol-related incidents. But despite my preaching (until I was blue in the face!), Yogi is a young adult in college, away from home, making his own choices.
The wrong choices.
And unfortunately, it is becoming an all-too-common theme with this team.So who is responsible?
We all need a fall guy. Unfortunately, the chosen one is Coach Tom Crean. After all, it is his responsibility as head coach right? Even he has said that he will place the blame on his shoulders.
It is no mystery that I am an avid Coach Crean fan. I’m clearly not on any bandwagon. I love this guy win or lose. He is not a coach… he is family.
Do I sometimes disagree with his coaching? Sure, but what family agrees on everything?
Coach Crean is an extension of a parent to these young men. I had 18 years with Yogi, in what I feel is a strong Christian home, with no tolerance for irresponsible activities. Coach Crean has had them for two years. How would I expect him to change the character of a young adult that he is just becoming acquainted with?
I do not point the finger at Coach Crean when Yogi did what he did. That should fall squarely on Yogi.
If you are a parent, especially of teenagers, you know that young adults will try to test their limits. Do they know right from wrong? Of course they do. Do they always make the right decisions? Of course they don’t.
I guarantee that each player understands the consequences of their actions. But what is stronger that any adult advice you ask? Peer pressure. Those two words have bought many great men and athletes to their knees.On the recent suspensions …
To that I say, let the punishment fit the crime. It’s tough love and I welcome it.
Whether it involves my child or one of my “sons” on the team, I say man up and grow from it. Become a leader as a result of it.
Their recent actions were irresponsible and senseless. We cannot turn our heads the other way to indiscretions or NCAA rule violations. I do not condone it, nor will I support the particular transgressions.
This isn’t a college athlete lesson. This is a life lesson. Follow the rules or pay the price.
The character of the team has been called to question. They have been called a leaderless, partying, and unfocused group of men who lack the ability to produce enough wins to make it to the NCAA tournament, let alone a bid for the NIT.
I’m here to to tell you that there are plenty of players on the current team that possess leadership ability, but who have yet to realize their full potential.
I don’t want my support of this team, the coaches, or the players, to be misconstrued as saying I’m okay with what’s happening. It’s undeniably a bad situation. In my opinion, some colleges are better at hiding it than others.
At IU, we follow the rules, so the spotlight is on us. We will continue to hold our athletes to a higher standard.On the court …
Now on to the team and what can be expected for the upcoming season.
A new season brings new possibilities. Yogi was certainly the backbone of the team last year, but this year expect a different kind of player. His role will again change. He went from a facilitator as freshman to a combination guard his sophomore year, with pressure to score as well as find the open man.
This year, with outside help, the focus will no longer be on Yogi. The court will be shared by the likes of James Blackmon, Jr. and Rob Johnson, which means that film review will be a little tougher for our competitors. Rival schools will need to develop a defense that can counter our ability to spread the floor, which should create open lanes for the drives of Stan Robinson and Yogi.
Due to the recent suspensions, the first four games will show us the chemistry that has developed between the trio of Blackmon, Johnson, and Yogi. And I am looking at it as a glimmer of good in all of the recent adverse events.
With the limited roster, the starting lineup will most likely be consistent, and they will gel together in a semi-competitive atmosphere that will hopefully foster a relationship on the court that will extend into the Big Ten season.
Yogi can again settle in as a true point guard similar to his freshman year. However, don’t expect for him to settle for the assist record. He will continue to pad his 3-point stats. He spent his summer training (in Texas and Chicago camps) and perfecting this shot. I suspect he will use it.
And although we do not have a true “big man,” I do believe that Troy Williams and Hanner Mosquera-Perea will rise to the occasion.Indiana basketball will go on
The sound of the net as the ball caresses it on the opening shot of the season will be music to my ears.
It will represent the reality that regardless of the indiscretions of each player, however big or small, nothing will ever be enough to stop the crazed fans in candy stripped pants from flocking by the thousands into Assembly Hall. Parents will still bring their little ones doting there favorite players jersey, hoping to get an autograph of their favorite player.
This is a plea to the fans to hang in there.
This is still Indiana Basketball.


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[shortspacequickness 1,034]

Failed drug tests mean dick. I could give you a mile long list of Knight's players who smoked regularly, at least two of whom put joints, pipes, or bongs into my hands. But we're not talking about an isolated incident. Cream has to stop the bleeding now, and I'm pretty certain that he's smart enough to know that. The only question is, can he get it across to them or not? No one wanted to see Devin hurt, but maybe, just maybe, this accident will wake our kids up. If it doesn't, and Cream can't help them connect the dots, then and only then, should he be labeled as a failed teach and shown the door. They are kids. We all made the same mistakes, and pointing out that they represent us, is hypocrisy in a way. Glass houses people...Glass houses.

This.

 

People act like IU is just now reacting... they have been trying to rectify the whole situation since they became aware during last season. They have been working with these individuals just as I thought a coach was supposed to do? I guess some think the solution is to just off the coach and then things will change.

 

He got us out of 2008, and now he suddenly isn't good enough for the job? That makes zero sense. The man is clearly capable. Clearly. If you can't see that, it is because you have a personal dislike for the man.

[TheStillman 991]

http://www.wdrb.com/story/27268917/bozich-the-angry-basketball-discussion-at-indiana-begins-with-syracuse

 

Not sure if this was posted elsewhere but worth a read.  It all comes back to the Syracuse loss and winning as a whole.  Look at the two different programs and actions related to player incidents.  Crean has done way more than Boeheim with discipline and yet here we stand.  The reason the pitchforks are out is truly because of Syracuse-61 IU-50 followed by a 17-15 year.  If it was IU-61 Syracuse-50 followed by a 23 win season none of this would even register as events that would put Crean's job in trouble.  

 

I am not saying anyone's opinion should be different based on hypotheticals.  But it is worth discussing what truly matters to those of you who want Crean gone after the events of this week.  Are the off the court incidents really why you want Crean gone?  Or is it the product on the court?  If I had to guess it is the latter.

[AZ Hoosier 9,209]

Blaming the coach is lazy logic yet so easy to do. I'm not going to get in any debates here because obviously everyone else is resigned to the fact that we are going to blow our program up yet again possibly to the point of no recovery ever.

 

Obviously the coach is responsible. No ****. But it's a bigger picture than that.

 

The coach absolutely is responsible for everything that goes on in HIS program. He’s the teacher. He’s the mentor. He’s the disciplinarian.

 

If the coach is ineffective with Xs and Os, OR if he’s ineffective with discipline, that’s on him. And he’s not cutting it on any level (coaching, recruiting, discipline, etc), he needs to go. The sooner the better, IMO.

[AZ Hoosier 9,209]

The "DocLibby blogpost" is BS. It’s a mother trying to spin the situation. I’m not buying anything she has to say. 

[AZ Hoosier 9,209]

Gary Parrish updated his column just now with additional information from a former student manager. His comments are interesting, especially the part about how Crean lost Yogi, Hanner and the other members of that class who have since left the program. Seems like Crean has failed to reach those two, even to this day.

 

http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/eye-on-college-basketball/24783503/disconnect-between-tom-crean-and-players-has-indiana-in-disarray

 

 

"I was a manager under Crean for the 2012-13 season," Tyler Devitte told me Tuesday. "I can confirm the disconnect started that season. ... Tom's words seemed to go in one ear and out the other with the younger guys."

Those "younger guys" are now the juniors (Ferrell, Mosquera-Perea) or players who are no longer with the program for one reason or another (Remy Abell, Austin Etherington, Peter Jurkin, Jeremy Hollowell), and Devitte painted a picture of them privately questioning everything from strategy to substitution patterns. In fairness to Crean, there's nothing too unique about young players questioning their coach. But Devitte's main point was that Crean, for all intents and purposes, lost those young players that season, and, as other sources explained similarly, he was never able to reconnect with them.

Devitte left the program after that 2012-13 season. Still, he was, like all managers are, very much a part of the program that season, working side-by-side with the staff for countless hours, hanging behind closed doors with the players day after day. His lasting memory, he said, is this: "Crean never learned my name and always called me 'Detlef Schrempf' or 'Hey You' despite me telling him my name is 'Tyler' over and over again. I'd run errands to his house, drop off his kid, Riley, and he still wouldn't make an effort to learn my name."

 

 

 

[Bk4life 190]

Gee, in the real world we can lose our jobs for popping on a drug test, why can't these kids be booted for breaking the rule? That's the problem with most of the current generation...never faced real consequences...