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[Yogi's Picnic Basket 5,004]

Can someone bring up an instance in the NBA where blowing it up actually worked in the NBA? The Magic have been garbage since they traded Dwight, they're the most recent example. Blowing it up in the NBA doesn't work, this isn't NBA 2K. 

The Celtics blew it up and managed to make it out okay. The Cavs blew it up and made a roster to make Bron come back and the assets to get Love. The Warriors blew it up and got two lotto picks back to back in Steph and Klay. The then Sonics blew it up and got KD and Russ. The Clippers blew it up and gained enough assets to bring CP3 along with Blake and DJ. I can keep going if I need to. With any sport you have guys who know what their doing and not doing. That is why some are fired and some get extensions. The Knicks didnt blow it up and now look. Oh yeah the Raptors blew it up as well. The T Wolves as well and have two franchise players just not enough yet but they will get there. Blowing it up means higher picks, higher picks equal more potential at superstars and trade value to bring stars back. The Magic didnt blow it up Dwight was their team they just sucked. Made bad picks and even tried adding vets didnt work so their rebuilding again. The Pacers havent blown it up in awhile and what do they have to show for it exactly? Oh yeah the Wizards blew it up and got Wall, Beal and porter. You think these good teams just happened? No they all blew it up 5-7 years ago some less and built good franchises. Their all good so you dont see what made them good. I follow the NBA almost as much as IU. It is fun to watch of done right. If not it does look ugly and makes people question it. Like I said that is why some get extensions and some look for new jobs.

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[Crimson and Cream 5,968]

21 hours ago, KingPG21 said:

Give me Jackson, Issac, or Smith Jr. every day of the week before Ball. His lack of elite athleticism isn't going to do anything but hinder him in the NBA. I get why he is so highly projected, but I don't see the upside that you see with Fultz or the other guys. Jackson is already making plays all over the place and has amazing athleticism. Dude is gonna be tons of fun to watch

I think with Ball it's the "Curry" hype. Great shooter, ball handler, and passer. I do agree the lack of athleticism could be problematic. I don't get to see as much of those West Coast guys (Ball/Fultz), but I do agree Jackson is going to be a stud. 

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Balls shot is gonna be a lot harder to get off once he has John Wall or Russell Westbrook guarding him. I think he will still have an impact but not that high on him as most. I love Dennis Smith and Josh Jackson. Also like Lauri Markennan from Zona. I like Jayson Tatum a lot as well. I think Monk is an awesome 6th man at best which isnt bad and I really like Dearon Fox. Think he is make a GM or two lose their job.

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I think Fultz is a given. Anyone that doesnt see it with him doesnt belong watching basketball. I think it should be closer of him and Smith for best pg though. Ball has gained the hype Smith should have gotten.

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[HoosierTrav 8,339]

That is a TERRIBLE trade for the Kings. It's why they're the Cleveland Browns of the NBA. You trade Demarcus Cousins and Omri Casspi for Tyreke Evans, Buddy Hield and Langston Galloway. Sacramento got a 1st rd pick as well as an unprotected 1st rd pick. Good freakin lord man. That organization definitely attributed to Cousins being who he has been throughout his career. I'd always be pissed too if I played for that organization

Something nobody takes into consideration with Boogie and his attitude. Alpha dogs typically struggle when they aren't able to win often.

[Hoosier Guy 8,333]

Just now, HoosierTrav said:

Something nobody takes into consideration with Boogie and his attitude. Alpha dogs typically struggle when they aren't able to win often.

Absolutely. A player is not gonna be all rainbows and unicorns if he doesn't win often. And the fact that all of the Kings 1st rd picks since 2010 have not been good. That organization can't get out of its own way

[Hovadipo 61,538]

Something nobody takes into consideration with Boogie and his attitude. Alpha dogs typically struggle when they aren't able to win often.

And imagine being surrounded by that level of stupidity every day. I think he gets a really bad rep, but a lot of people would act like him in that position. Time will tell if that's who he really is or if he just needed new scenery.


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21 hours ago, Hovadipo said:

 

I wasn't trying to discredit Bradley at all. I think he's awesome, but he's just what I think of as a role player. Not a superstar, not a scrub, just really solid night in and night out. Maybe that isn't a role player, but my overall point was him coupled with Rozier and the pick for PG would screw the Pacers. Like you said, I'd need Crowder in there for sure at least.


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Yes I agree have to have Crowder in there with Bradley and the pick

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I was more happy than usual when I saw him get traded being it wasnt my favorite team or player. I just truly felt horrible for the guy. Soooooo talented yet never has a thing to show for it. Put any normal great human being in a job where managers are always making your job harder and then being watched at all times while you are having to bust your ass for nothing. I am thrilled he got away from there. That franchise is a joke.

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[KingPG21 6,593]

27 minutes ago, Yogi's Picnic Basket said:

 

The Celtics blew it up and managed to make it out okay. The Cavs blew it up and made a roster to make Bron come back and the assets to get Love. The Warriors blew it up and got two lotto picks back to back in Steph and Klay. The then Sonics blew it up and got KD and Russ. The Clippers blew it up and gained enough assets to bring CP3 along with Blake and DJ. I can keep going if I need to. With any sport you have guys who know what their doing and not doing. That is why some are fired and some get extensions. The Knicks didnt blow it up and now look. Oh yeah the Raptors blew it up as well. The T Wolves as well and have two franchise players just not enough yet but they will get there. Blowing it up means higher picks, higher picks equal more potential at superstars and trade value to bring stars back. The Magic didnt blow it up Dwight was their team they just sucked. Made bad picks and even tried adding vets didnt work so their rebuilding again. The Pacers havent blown it up in awhile and what do they have to show for it exactly? Oh yeah the Wizards blew it up and got Wall, Beal and porter. You think these good teams just happened? No they all blew it up 5-7 years ago some less and built good franchises. Their all good so you dont see what made them good. I follow the NBA almost as much as IU. It is fun to watch of done right. If not it does look ugly and makes people question it. Like I said that is why some get extensions and some look for new jobs.

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Cavs never blew it up, they were a team that was all about LeBron, then he left they sucked, and now he is back and they don't suck. When did the Warriors blow it up? They never traded a star player to get multiple picks like you're suggesting. Clippers never blew it up, they were never good until CP3 got there. Minnesota shouldn't count, they suck, they sucked last year and they suck this year. The Magic are the closest example to what you're suggesting the Pacers do. 

 

There is a huge difference between blowing it up, and just being able to draft well/make the right free agent moves and trades, Most of the teams you mentioned are't anywhere close to the situation you're suggesting with the Pacers. The only team that comes close is the Magic who traded Dwight. 

[Crimson and Cream 5,968]

21 hours ago, IUfan_Charlie said:

Can't believe people still bring up the Kawhi and Pacers argument. The Pacers drafted him for the Spurs to trade for Hill. If the Pacers didn't trade that pick they would've taken somebody else because they already had Granger coming off a 20ppg season and Paul George. They needed a PG not another SF. 

Anyone who makes the Kawhi complaint automatically has zero credibility in my eyes

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4 hours ago, Treesh said:

Great day for my Lakers, we are finally on the path to greatness. 

 

Pacers are interestd in Jahlil Okafor. That would be a really really bad move. 

You probably guaranteed you keep your pick, but I'd be disappointed I didn't get more than a late 1st for the 6th man of the year favorite.

[Hovadipo 61,538]

You probably guaranteed you keep your pick, but I'd be disappointed I didn't get more than a late 1st for the 6th man of the year favorite.

I wonder if trading the only guy getting them wins which put keeping the pick in question was deemed worth it in itself lol.


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2 minutes ago, Hovadipo said:

 

I wonder if trading the only guy getting them wins which put keeping the pick in question was deemed worth it in itself lol.


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I would imagine that's the thinking behind it

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23 hours ago, Yogi's Picnic Basket said:

 

Why? Makes no sense to continue to be average and keep picking at end of lottery or later instead of higher to get more building blocks. It will make them compete for titles a lot sooner than your route and allows you to play your young guys more minutes to see what you have. Btw Clippers-Celtics are talking Blake Griffin. Proposed trade would be Jae Crowder, Marcus Smart and Avery Bradley and MAYBE a pick from them not Nets in 2019 or 2020. Like I said the Celtics will NOT give up Crowder, Brown, Bradley and their pick this year for anyone. That is way to much. AD maybe the only guy worth more than most because he is signed for so long. You lose value regardless if the player isnt fully committed to the franchise which PG is not as well as Butler. Blake can hit FA after next year as well.

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We still would have the talent (assuming we get the pick next year) to be competing right away. I'm saying you don't have to tear everything down and start from square one. 

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I truly dont care what the Pacers do honestly. The Warriors before the year Steph was drafted let go of Baron Davis, Stephen Jackson, Matt Barnes do you not remember them playing as an 8 seed and almost beating the Mavericks. They gave it another year and then got rid of them. The Cavs were a Lebron led team but after he left they cleared everyone else out too. The Raptors got lost Bosh so kept Derozan and got rid of their better players. Your definition of a star is different from mine. The Celtics traded all their guys to rebuild. The Clippers had plenty of chances to get decent FA's before Paul but didnt because they wanted to build assets to get someone like Paul. No team truly BLOWS up their whole team. I find the meaning losing a key player or trading it and being okay with sucking to get young players to either build with or trade for good players instead of the Pacers continue to sign enough vets to be competitive that goes no where. Every team can sign players to do that. Rebuilding and blowing it up are similar IMO. The Cavs got Kyrie and Tristan and drafted guys that with or without Bron got someone like Love and made a run. Unless your a top 4 team in your conference what are you really getting out of keeping guys around that could make get you potential as well as getting a higher pick w a worse record which could bring you your next star. Both the Pacers best players were lottery picks. That should say enough. Minnesota should count why shouldnt they? They could almost get any single guy in the league for KAT and another for Wiggins, Lavine and Dunn. It doesnt happen in a year or two it takes time and patience. If those picks were bust I would agree but they have players of high value they just need a piece or two. If the Pacers could add another good player I would say keep it the way it is, but until they do or have a chance too there is no point in signing aged vets and battling for the 8th seed.

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We still would have the talent (assuming we get the pick next year) to be competing right away. I'm saying you don't have to tear everything down and start from square one. 

I get that I do, but they havent shown the willingness too and once they started receiving calls on PG and even Turner whether they deal them or not it shows me they dont think they can either. Im a Sixer fan and I promise you I would take us right now over the Pacers. We have hope and have future assets to get even better. It takes a lot of patience so I get why some dont like this idea but if they cant get that other guy by next deadline PG is gone and your doing it with no option and nothing to show for developing an awesome talent like PG. Blowing up like I stated in my other statement doesnt mean give up every asset or I would say trade Turner too. Hopefully that makes me point more clear. Bird is not good at making good draft decisions anyways so the rebuild idea may not be that appealing to you and I completely understand that.

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8 minutes ago, Yogi's Picnic Basket said:

 

I get that I do, but they havent shown the willingness too and once they started receiving calls on PG and even Turner whether they deal them or not it shows me they dont think they can either. Im a Sixer fan and I promise you I would take us right now over the Pacers. We have hope and have future assets to get even better. It takes a lot of patience so I get why some dont like this idea but if they cant get that other guy by next deadline PG is gone and your doing it with no option and nothing to show for developing an awesome talent like PG. Blowing up like I stated in my other statement doesnt mean give up every asset or I would say trade Turner too. Hopefully that makes me point more clear. Bird is not good at making good draft decisions anyways so the rebuild idea may not be that appealing to you and I completely understand that.

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Most Pacers fans think Myles has star potential in the future, so if you could net a top pick in this years draft to team with him, as well as Teague, Young, whoever else you acquire in that trade, our own pick, and the money we would then have available going forward. I think that would thrill most Pacers fans.

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Most Pacers fans think Myles has star potential in the future, so if you could net a top pick in this years draft to team with him, as well as Teague, Young, whoever else you acquire in that trade, our own pick, and the money we would then have available going forward. I think that would thrill most Pacers fans.

Exactly why I think they should trade PG. Fultz or Smith or Jackson on a cheap 4 year deal instead of 20 million with Turner as well as Teague. Throw in a cpl other guys from the trade and the Pacers own pick and things could turn quick. I think Turner is a star in the making I agree. Heck use PGs money to grab someone else and at worst your battling for an 8th seed just like now yet you have more assets and potential to get even better with your young guys growing. If they COULD get another guy you keep PG though. Just dont see it.

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Exactly why I have been saying they need to trade him. I know some of you didnt like my idea but why let him go somewhere for nothing? Bird is assessing market on him but the LA rumors are gonna hurt his value knowing he could bolt after next year. If you still think their getting the Nets pick, brown, bradley or Crowder your crazy. I hope Bird gets the right deal for him though cuz it may set them back even more if he waits till the offseason. The longer a team can get him the more time they will have to convince him to resign.

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