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[Hoosierfan2017 21,136]

33 minutes ago, HoosierAloha said:

Agreed, the NBA seems to agree as well. They don't care how many questionable calls they have to go back and excuse.


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Refs refs refs. Anything to discredit LeBron. Comments like this get old after a while. Do you not ever get tired of hating on the guy? It's irrational at this point.

The refs aren't the reason for him putting up 34/10/9 and a 34.9 PER in the playoffs so far. The refs aren't the reason for his 9 to 1 assist/turnover ratio against Toronto. The refs weren't the reason for Oladipo's disappearing act in a few of the first round games or the Pacers' coaches questionable decisions in game 7  

 

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24 minutes ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

Refs refs refs. Anything to discredit LeBron. Comments like this get old after a while. Do you not ever get tired of hating on the guy? It's irrational at this point.

The refs aren't the reason for him putting up 34/10/9 and a 34.9 PER in the playoffs so far. The refs aren't the reason for his 9 to 1 assist/turnover ratio against Toronto. The refs weren't the reason for Oladipo's disappearing act in a few of the first round games or the Pacers' coaches questionable decisions in game 7  

 

They aren't the sole reason. But they are part of that. 

[Hoosierfan2017 21,136]

1 minute ago, Brass Cannon said:

They aren't the sole reason. But they are part of that. 

No they're not. Believe it or not, the refs make bad calls against the Cavs too. 

[mdn82 25,510]

Lebron is one of the best ever. He should be doing this. He is a great player.


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28 minutes ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

No they're not. Believe it or not, the refs make bad calls against the Cavs too. 

On occasion, but the bad calls for them far outweigh it.  Can't remember the last time the refs robbed Lebron of a potential game winning shot by not calling a goal tend.  Or the foul

[Hoosierfan2017 21,136]

3 minutes ago, Brass Cannon said:

On occasion, but the bad calls for them far outweigh it.  Can't remember the last time the refs robbed Lebron of a potential game winning shot by not calling a goal tend.  Or the foul

When it happened live it looked like a clean block. When you go back and look at it you can see it was a goaltend, but the refs didn't have that luxury.

But, that possession never should have even happened in the first place. The refs blew, in Indiana's favor, the out of bounds call on the previous possession. They even admitted to it in their report after the game. That one actually was reviewable, but they didn't review it. So, those two balanced each other out. 

[mdn82 25,510]

When it happened live it looked like a clean block. When you go back and look at it you can see it was a goaltend, but the refs didn't have that luxury.
But, that possession never should have even happened in the first place. The refs blew, in Indiana's favor, the out of bounds call on the previous possession. They even admitted to it in their report after the game. That one actually was reviewable, but they didn't review it. So, those two balanced each other out. 

While I don’t disagree with you if this were the only analysis. The push off where Lebron extended his forearm to get to that spot should have been an offensive foul. Would they have won or lost the series on those set of calls? I don’t know. It’s speculative for sure. The Pacers imo, were the better team that series. But the Cavs had the best player. Every great player gets calls. Always been that way. Magic, Bird, Malone, Jordan, Bryant and Duncan always got calls. Shaq is about the only one that didn’t because he was so big and strong versus normal centers at the time.


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1 minute ago, mdn82 said:

While I don’t disagree with you if this were the only analysis. The push off where Lebron extended his forearm to get to that spot should have been an offensive foul. Would they have won or lost the series on those set of calls? I don’t know. It’s speculative for sure. The Pacers imo, were the better team that series. But the Cavs had the best player. Every great player gets calls. Always been that way. Magic, Bird, Malone, Jordan, Bryant and Duncan always got calls. Shaq is about the only one that didn’t because he was so big and strong versus normal centers at the time.


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Yeah I remember seeing a game where Dale Davis slammed into shaq at a run and because Shaq didn't even move he didn't get the call.  If ever there was a player that should have probably hammed it a bit it was shaq. 

[HoosierAloha 30,057]

Agreed, the NBA seems to agree as well. They don't care how many questionable calls they have to go back and excuse.


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Refs refs refs. Anything to discredit LeBron. Comments like this get old after a while. Do you not ever get tired of hating on the guy? It's irrational at this point.
The refs aren't the reason for him putting up 34/10/9 and a 34.9 PER in the playoffs so far. The refs aren't the reason for his 9 to 1 assist/turnover ratio against Toronto. The refs weren't the reason for Oladipo's disappearing act in a few of the first round games or the Pacers' coaches questionable decisions in game 7  
 

Fact: the NBE has stated they missed two calls against the Cavs in crunch where they went on to win a pivotal game. That's what I stated.

It's crazy to me that I can watch a Cavs game and pick out a handful of plays in any quarter that the refs just completely ignore.

How many times does LeBron step over the free throw line before the ball hits the rim?

How many players can push off with two hands to create separation and then act like they hit with a Mack truck after being touched?

When has running through a screen been allowed?

Has Tristan Thompson ever set a legal screen? Has he ever rebounded without fouling? (A bit of hyperbole)

No, the refs are not putting up those gaudy numbers. Kudos to LeBron for doing that. He is one of the greatest. However, like past, present, and future superstars he plays in an environment that is not exactly level with other players.

I knew the Pacers didn't stand a chance in that series because they don't have a superstar to challenge for a place among the NBE.

I'm not even a huge Pacers fan nor a big fan of the NBA. It's basketball entertainment not basketball.

The Cavs will continue to get the benefit until they meet a far superior team which there isn't in the east. There's a reason LeBron has been to the finals so many times but only has 3 titles.


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7 minutes ago, mdn82 said:

While I don’t disagree with you if this were the only analysis. The push off where Lebron extended his forearm to get to that spot should have been an offensive foul. Would they have won or lost the series on those set of calls? I don’t know. It’s speculative for sure. The Pacers imo, were the better team that series. But the Cavs had the best player. Every great player gets calls. Always been that way. Magic, Bird, Malone, Jordan, Bryant and Duncan always got calls. Shaq is about the only one that didn’t because he was so big and strong versus normal centers at the time.


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I don't disagree that LeBron gets his share of favorable calls, but some seem to act like this is the first time a star player has gotten the benefit of the doubt from the refs. It's happened for decades. I don't think we should view a player's accomplishments in a tainted manner because of perceived favorability from the officials. If we do that then he have to do it for all the greats. 

[mdn82 25,510]

I don't disagree that LeBron gets his share of favorable calls, but some seem to act like this is the first time a star player has gotten the benefit of the doubt from the refs. It's happened for decades. I don't think we should view a player's accomplishments in a tainted manner because of perceived favorability from the officials. If we do that then he have to do it for all the greats. 

It’s always been that way for the greats. It was the same for Jordan. Same for Bird. Bird’s was more racism, that he was white so he was getting calls. Thomas had some issues with Birds white(ness)...


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2 minutes ago, HoosierAloha said:

 

Fact: the NBE has stated they missed two calls against the Cavs in crunch where they went on to win a pivotal game. That's what I stated.

It's crazy to me that I can watch a Cavs game and pick out a handful of plays in any quarter that the refs just completely ignore.

How many times does LeBron step over the free throw line before the ball hits the rim?

How many players can push off with two hands to create separation and then act like they hit with a Mack truck after being touched?

When has running through a screen been allowed?

Has Tristan Thompson ever set a legal screen? Has he ever rebounded without fouling? (A bit of hyperbole)

No, the refs are not putting up those gaudy numbers. Kudos to LeBron for doing that. He is one of the greatest. However, like past, present, and future superstars he plays in an environment that is not exactly level with other players.

I knew the Pacers didn't stand a chance in that series because they don't have a superstar to challenge for a place among the NBE.

I'm not even a huge Pacers fan nor a big fan of the NBA. It's basketball entertainment not basketball.

The Cavs will continue to get the benefit until they meet a far superior team which there isn't in the east. There's a reason LeBron has been to the finals so many times but only has 3 titles.


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Watch the games closely and you would see that many calls or no-calls go against the Cavs. NBA officials are just bad. There hasn't been some league directive to get LeBron to the finals for the past 7, possibly 8 seasons. 

Also, I'm not sure how you can state that you "knew the Pacers didn't have a chance" when they took the Cavs to 7 games and only lost because of several Herculean efforts from LeBron. 

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12 hours ago, KingPG21 said:

So what do the Raptors even do? Of their young guys OG is exciting, then? DeRozan I'm actually fine with, he seems like a competitor. Lowry to me just seems mentally weak, dude crumbles in the big time. Jonas, meh, he is under used. Ibaka is what he is at this point. Who else is even worth much long term

They're stuck with their core for now. Poeltl, Wright, and Siakam are good young players too, though probably high end bench players not starters. Valanciunas is only 25 but I'm not sure he fits into their long tern plans. That Lowry contract is not going to age well imo. He's 32 and almost 30 mil a year for 16/7/5 is tough. They just gave Powell a 4 year 42 million dollar deal too and he barely plays. 

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7 minutes ago, IUfan_Charlie said:

They're stuck with their core for now. Poeltl, Wright, and Siakam are good young players too, though probably high end bench players not starters. Valanciunas is only 25 but I'm not sure he fits into their long tern plans. That Lowry contract is not going to age well imo. He's 32 and almost 30 mil a year for 16/7/5 is tough. They just gave Powell a 4 year 42 million dollar deal too and he barely plays. 

I forgot Norman Powell existed. He had a decent rookie year, then that playoff series against the Pacers and got paid, good for him. Wish I knew what NBA GMs were thinking sometimes. Van Fleet was brought up earlier too, though i don't know what his ceiling is, I couldn't see him as a starter on a championship contender unless the rest of the lineup was stacked

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37 minutes ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

Watch the games closely and you would see that many calls or no-calls go against the Cavs. NBA officials are just bad. There hasn't been some league directive to get LeBron to the finals for the past 7, possibly 8 seasons. 

Also, I'm not sure how you can state that you "knew the Pacers didn't have a chance" when they took the Cavs to 7 games and only lost because of several Herculean efforts from LeBron. 

The difference between fans of LeBron, those that build him up, and not LeBron fans. 

Serious question:  You're the owner of a business, say you sell statues of the king.  Are you going to hamper your best sales rep by putting him in an area that he can't reach the most people?  Wouldn't you rather give him every opportunity and then some to make you the most money?

The NBA is a business and entertainment.  That's how I knew the Cavs would win the series.  The Pacers were the better team and actually outscored the Cavs by a good margin. 

If LeBron lost in the first round, to the Pacers (!), that wouldn't be the best for the business or entertainment.  However, if we miss a call here or there AND LeBron can make another bucket or two we'll get to add to the legacy and create more buzz.  The story reaches its climax and the folks are entertained.  Business is good.  Nobody wanted to see a Pacers vs. Raptors second round game nor did they want to see a Raptors vs. Celtics Eastern Conference Finals.  That's just bad business.  "Give the people what they want." - Jalen Rose

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Just now, KingPG21 said:

I forgot Norman Powell existed. He had a decent rookie year, then that playoff series against the Pacers and got paid, good for him. Wish I knew what NBA GMs were thinking sometimes. Van Fleet was brought up earlier too, though i don't know what his ceiling is, I couldn't see him as a starter on a championship contender unless the rest of the lineup was stacked

I think FVF is a top tier bench guard/fringe starter. He'll probably tap out at like 11/4/4. 

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1 hour ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

 So, those two balanced each other out.

Not like it matters now, but they didn't balance out. If the out of bounds call had been called correctly, the Cavs have the ball, but there's no guarantee they score there. The missed goaltend took two points away from the Pacers. It had a far greater impact than a change of possession.

[mdn82 25,510]

Not like it matters now, but they didn't balance out. If the out of bounds call had been called correctly, the Cavs have the ball, but there's no guarantee they score there. The missed goaltend took two points away from the Pacers. It had a far greater impact than a change of possession.

I know that sequence is magnified but Lebron got into that position by pushing off with his forearm. That’s how he got himself out of control tbh. I feel that was their way of not giving him a foul in that situation.


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22 minutes ago, TheWatShot said:

Not like it matters now, but they didn't balance out. If the out of bounds call had been called correctly, the Cavs have the ball, but there's no guarantee they score there. The missed goaltend took two points away from the Pacers. It had a far greater impact than a change of possession.

Not to mention, if the Pacers put points on the board and the Cavs are down I don't think LeBron hits that 3 to win the game, because history.

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Rockets take a home game away from the Jazz and lead the series 2-1.  They'll play again on Sunday.  The Raptors and Cavs go at it tonight.

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