Shot Clock

[WayneFleekHoosier 48,467]

I just watched Jim Boeheim on Katz Korner discussing the shot clock. I know most college BB fully disagree but I think going to a 24 or 30 second
Shot clock would greatly benefit the College game. 30 would be a good start.
Boeheim said its lame when coaches say they can't get a good shot off in 24seconds. He says a GOOD coach can easily get a good shot. He says this is demonstrates at the international level in which he's been involved. I have respect for Jim B. and I think he is right on this one. Not sure I am ready for 24 but 30 would be so much better!



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[WayneFleekHoosier 48,467]

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[TheWatShot 14,074]

I'd prefer 24 or 30 as well. It would mean less time watching our offense stand around. 

[WayneFleekHoosier 48,467]

I really, really hope it goes 30 seconds soon. Jimmy B just refreshed my memory on the topic. He is a clear advocate of 24. I could go for that too.

Standing and pounding the ball drives me nuts.

As well as playing prevent clock management defense. There are better ways of executing this strategy then taking a bad shot as the shot clock expires.

[Hutch89 2,939]

Could a shorter shot clock help the "hurryin Hoosiers"? With us most likely pushing the pace and all this next season,


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[8bucks 6,471]

I am in the minority but prefer no change. I hate watching teams take quick bad shots far more than I dislike slow basketball.


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[Hovadipo 56,441]

[quote name="8bucks" post="74789" timestamp="1405825272"]I am in the minority but prefer no change. I hate watching teams take quick bad shots far more than I dislike slow basketball.


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I'm with you here. Give me a slow deliberate offense every day over terrible shot selection. The difference between the NBA having 24 seconds and college having it is NBA players can make tough, quick shots because they're pros. Not very many of those in college when you look at the big picture.


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[JSHoosier 20,306]

I'm fine with the shot clock as it is.  Pace doesn't mean a thing to me, I don't care about playing fast.  "Fun to watch" means nothing to me, I find winning fun to watch and it doesn't matter if the team averaged 70 ppg.

[WayneFleekHoosier 48,467]

I'm with you here. Give me a slow deliberate offense every day over terrible shot selection. The difference between the NBA having 24 seconds and college having it is NBA players can make tough, quick shots because they're pros. Not very many of those in college when you look at the big picture. Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners

Old fashioned thinking. Thad Matta and coach Wojo were both on Katz Korner advocating a shorter shot clock too. Just because it is a shortened clock has NO involvement in shot selection. Shitty teams will take poor shots regardless of time and good teams the contrary. Better teams will be more likely to win due to the law of averages. More possessions equal more chances to differentiate the teams on both ends. College coaches seem to be in agreement that not only can this be handled but that it needs to happen.

Some conferences are going to test out 30 secs in exhibition games.

*key point-good coaching equals better shot selection. As Jim Boeheim any good coach can get a good shot in 24 seconds. I believe him!

The only counter argument is that teams aren't as deep. Really? These are kids in their youthful prime. They can handle going up and down the court 10 more time a game. Really? The bad shot selection argument has no Creedance Clearwater Revival.

[WayneFleekHoosier 48,467]

Oh and off topic... Anyone annoyed we keep missing our PRIME recruiting targets??????????? Gahhhhhhh

[Hovadipo 56,441]

[quote name="WayneHoosier" post="74792" timestamp="1405828431"]Old fashioned thinking. Thad Matta and coach Wojo were both on Katz Korner advocating a shorter shot clock too. Just because it is a shortened clock has NO involvement in shot selection. Shitty teams will take poor shots regardless of time and good teams the contrary. Better teams will be more likely to win due to the law of averages. More possessions equal more chances to differentiate the teams on both ends. College coaches seem to be in agreement that not only can this be handled but that it needs to happen.

Some conferences are going to test out 30 secs in exhibition games.

*key point-good coaching equals better shot selection. As Jim Boeheim any good coach can get a good shot in 24 seconds. I believe him!

The only counter argument is that teams aren't as deep. Really? These are kids in their youthful prime. They can handle going up and down the court 10 more time a game. Really? The bad shot selection argument has no Creedance Clearwater Revival.[/quote]

Those coaches can think what they want, I just personally believe that the quality of college ball will regress (even more) if a 24 second clock is put in. I stand by my point that you will see even more bad shots than you already do. Great coaches can get their teams better shots, no doubt, but when there's what, 15-20 of those coaches in the nation, I think there will be a huge drop off in shot selection, shooting %, etc. You're also forcing "slow it down" teams and coaches (pre-2013 Wisconsin-esque) to speed up their offense by 11 seconds, thus changing their entire strategy. No more methodical offenses. I guess you can call it old-fashioned, but I like watching a team that can work for 30 seconds to get a great shot just as much as I like watching a team blaze up and down the court.

Anyways, I'm totally against the 24 second clock, but if it HAS to change, I would only slightly grumble about 30 seconds. I would much prefer that over 24. And for the record, I'm usually open to change, but this one bugs me.


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[TheWatShot 14,074]

Oh and off topic... Anyone annoyed we keep missing our PRIME recruiting targets??????????? Gahhhhhhh

 

I'm not that surprised, given our current state. IU has plenty to offer. Crean? eh...

[WayneFleekHoosier 48,467]

I'm not that surprised, given our current state. IU has plenty to offer. Crean? eh...

Even 3 star guys like Clark and that kid from Detroit. So many darn misses. It is nearly unfathomable. Post Blackmon recommitting, we look like Crean year 1, year 2 Hoosier recruiting or worse.....

I could name our prioritized misses but I wouldn't stop typing until sometime Tuesday or Wednesday.

[WayneFleekHoosier 48,467]

Even 3 star guys like Clark and that kid from Detroit. So many darn misses. It is nearly unfathomable. Post Blackmon recommitting, we look like Crean year 1, year 2 Hoosier recruiting or worse.....

I could name our prioritized misses but I wouldn't stop typing until sometime Tuesday or Wednesday.

Again, sorry to get OT. Little frustrated with my Hoosiers tonight. :(

[TheWatShot 14,074]

Again, sorry to get OT. Little frustrated with my Hoosiers tonight. :(

 

I concur, and I don't want this thread to go spiraling out of control, but it is pretty damn aggravating. I've probably spent less time following IU basketball this summer than I can ever remember. IU is such a great place for a basketball coach. We have amazing fan support, incredible facilities, and ridiculous talent within driving distance in all directions. The only way anyone in charge here should struggle to recruit is if they A) have a resumé which suggests they aren't really all that, or B ) piss off a lot of area coaches and/or drive off a lot of the players they bring in. In most cases, it wouldn't be A because we wouldn't hire that type of coach. If they weren't A, then B wouldn't matter. But we had to hire A because of Sampsongate, so...

[Josh 12,649]

Shortening the shot clock means Wisconsin could score 60 in a game!

[CottageGrove 563]

Count me against the shot clock change. The big issue for me is how offense will be played. A 24 second clock reduces most NBA offenses to some variation of a pick and roll followed by isolation. And I like the NBA for what it is. I just don't want to see the college game go that way.

 

International ball is great game to watch, but I think recreating that here would require going to all of their rules, not just a few. Say hello to the trapezoidal lane.

 

And as for the law of averages making it more likely for the better team to win - isn't part of what's great about college ball the Cinderella story? Part of the appeal of college ball is the chance of an upset. Reducing that chance by giving an advantage to the teams with the more individually skilled/athletic players will take something away from the game for most fans.

[BGleas 7,917]

Bad shot selection isn't exclusive to teams that play fast. I've seen a ton of teams that play slow end up taking terrible shots at the buzzer because they just stood around and had no movement, then relied on a player to "make a play".

Bad shots happen because of bad offense, doesn't matter if the clock is 35 or 30. All it would do for IU is cut down on the stupid weave and guys just standing around. It would force us to get into our plays quicker.

I'm with you here. Give me a slow deliberate offense every day over terrible shot selection. The difference between the NBA having 24 seconds and college having it is NBA players can make tough, quick shots because they're pros. Not very many of those in college when you look at the big picture. Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners

I'm with you here. Give me a slow deliberate offense every day over terrible shot selection. The difference between the NBA having 24 seconds and college having it is NBA players can make tough, quick shots because they're pros. Not very many of those in college when you look at the big picture. Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners

[WayneFleekHoosier 48,467]

Bad shot selection isn't exclusive to teams that play fast. I've seen a ton of teams that play slow end up taking terrible shots at the buzzer because they just stood around and had no movement, then relied on a player to "make a play".
Bad shots happen because of bad offense, doesn't matter if the clock is 35 or 30. All it would do for IU is cut down on the stupid weave and guys just standing around. It would force us to get into our plays quicker.

Agree completely. Jerry meyer just tweeted in favor of a shorter shot clock. Like I said before, you'd still have bad shots from poorly coached teams. A 1 minute shot click won't change that. 35 seconds is not a magic number. 30 seconds is plenty to run a good offense and take a good shot.

[WayneFleekHoosier 48,467]

Add Tom Izzo to the crowd as an advocate of 30 second shot clock. Noted on Katz Korner. Said he thinks 24 secs may be a bit much but 35 is too slow. He says it's the slowest brand of basketball on the planet.

The wheels are in motion for the 30 second clock.