Depth Chart - Davis has grown an inch or two?

[Hutch89 2,939]

Browsing some Indiana articles, came across this one from BTPowerhouse looking at Indiana's depth at each position for the coming 14/15 season...

 

http://www.btpowerhouse.com/2014/5/29/5753144/2014-2015-basketball-indiana-hoosiers-depth-chart

 

"Both he (Hoetzel) and Davis have been rumored to have grown an inch or two since their last official measurement, and if that is the case, it would be great news for Hoosier fans."

If Davis had grown 2 inches (which i'm doubtful), he would be listed at the same height as Perea, and could possibly help at center depending on how things pan out for Perea.  It would be nice to have Davis match up with opponents better in the post. 

[BlueDevil 8,791]

[quote name="Scohutch" post="68838" timestamp="1401734093"]Browsing some Indiana articles, came across this one from BTPowerhouse looking at Indiana's depth at each position for the coming 14/15 season...

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[color=rgb(41,41,41)][font='Mercury SSm A'][size=4]"Both he (Hoetzel) and Davis have been rumored to have grown an inch or two since their last official measurement, and if that is the case, it would be great news for Hoosier fans."

If Davis had grown 2 inches (which i'm doubtful), he would be listed at the same height as Perea, and could possibly help at center depending on how things pan out for Perea. It would be nice to have Davis match up with opponents better in the post.[/size][/font][/color][/quote]

Hopefully it's true.. It's possibly paul george grew 2 more inches when he came into the league.

[CR3AMnCR1MS0N 1,867]

I'd say it would make him more of a true PF, which is what crean likes to use as his center anyway


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[WayneFleekHoosier 48,718]

We may see:

 

Yogi, JB2, TWill, Davis, Perea

 

But with the lack of front court depth most think

 

Yogi, JB2, Stan, TWill, Perea

 

When he tried playing Davis at the 5 it was a disaster IMO, he got beat easily in the post.  DD makes most sense to me as an undersized bulldog 4.

[8bucks 6,557]

When do they do official measurements?


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[CampHoosier 3,697]

We may see:

 

Yogi, JB2, TWill, Davis, Perea

 

But with the lack of front court depth most think

 

Yogi, JB2, Stan, TWill, Perea

 

When he tried playing Davis at the 5 it was a disaster IMO, he got beat easily in the post.  DD makes most sense to me as an undersized bulldog 4.

 

But that would only leave April coming off the bench for Perea...

[Stuhoo 81,892]

But that would only leave April coming off the bench for Perea...

 

Not necessarily so. It just means that when Perea sits, we would have to go pretty small (maybe Davis, Hoetzel, StanRob, Yogi, Rojo after initial subs) or use Jeremiah.

[CampHoosier 3,697]

I guess the biggest question is: do we use two bigs and run the risk that when we have to sub both out we have a very small lineup or do we keep Davis as the 6th man and April as a utility guy? We can run the floor, but that small lineup on defense? Good night Hoosiers

[Hovadipo 56,934]

[quote name="CampCrean" post="69170" timestamp="1401908301"]I guess the biggest question is: do we use two bigs and run the risk that when we have to sub both out we have a very small lineup or do we keep Davis as the 6th man and April as a utility guy? We can run the floor, but that small lineup on defense? Good night Hoosiers[/quote]

This could be the year Crean finally gets creative defensively and goes to a lot of zone and pressing. Out-run teams like he's always wanted to do, just with a different defensive philosophy. That's what I would do at least.


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[Stuhoo 81,892]

I guess the biggest question is: do we use two bigs and run the risk that when we have to sub both out we have a very small lineup or do we keep Davis as the 6th man and April as a utility guy? We can run the floor, but that small lineup on defense? Good night Hoosiers

 

I think it very much depends on who the opponent is. 

 

Versus Wisconsin or Purdue? We better have a big ready to go if/when HP gets in foul trouble.

Against Michigan State or Michigan? We could go pretty small next year and not have any glaring matchup issues.

[CampHoosier 3,697]

Does anyone think that in a perfect world this team could emulate the Heat in a way? Bosh isn't really an "inside presence" although he does have the ability to shoot the 3 so he can draw big men from the lane. But if we can swing all of our guards out and have HMP or Davis on the top of the key, that opens up the lane for JB2, Yogi, and Stan. That also gives us good looks with cuts and screens. If this team can shoot effectively, I can see us being a nightmare match-up wise. However, like someone pointed out, if HMP or Davis gets in foul trouble, teams will dominate us on the defensive end. Having said all of this, we don't know what kind of roles Priller, Hoetzel, and April will have. April may very well be a viable defensive option and Priller and Hoetz may be absolute studs from behind the arc. I'm kind of getting excited. Someone bring me back to Earth. 

[Hutch89 2,939]

Does anyone think that in a perfect world this team could emulate the Heat in a way? Bosh isn't really an "inside presence" although he does have the ability to shoot the 3 so he can draw big men from the lane. But if we can swing all of our guards out and have HMP or Davis on the top of the key, that opens up the lane for JB2, Yogi, and Stan. That also gives us good looks with cuts and screens. If this team can shoot effectively, I can see us being a nightmare match-up wise. However, like someone pointed out, if HMP or Davis gets in foul trouble, teams will dominate us on the defensive end. Having said all of this, we don't know what kind of roles Priller, Hoetzel, and April will have. April may very well be a viable defensive option and Priller and Hoetz may be absolute studs from behind the arc. I'm kind of getting excited. Someone bring me back to Earth. 

Interesting thought...  could be amazing.

I can't see the staff just picking up April out of sheer size alone.  He's got to have something in his game they love, and i'm hoping it points to defense.

[KingPG21 6,587]

Does anyone think that in a perfect world this team could emulate the Heat in a way? Bosh isn't really an "inside presence" although he does have the ability to shoot the 3 so he can draw big men from the lane. But if we can swing all of our guards out and have HMP or Davis on the top of the key, that opens up the lane for JB2, Yogi, and Stan. That also gives us good looks with cuts and screens. If this team can shoot effectively, I can see us being a nightmare match-up wise. However, like someone pointed out, if HMP or Davis gets in foul trouble, teams will dominate us on the defensive end. Having said all of this, we don't know what kind of roles Priller, Hoetzel, and April will have. April may very well be a viable defensive option and Priller and Hoetz may be absolute studs from behind the arc. I'm kind of getting excited. Someone bring me back to Earth. 

Part of the reason the Heat work so well is that it is so difficult to play zone in the NBA with their defensive 3 second call. A lot of the shooters get open shots for the Heat because of LeBron or Wade breaking down the defense, which is 99% of the time man-to-man. It is harder to break down zone defense with simple dribble penetration than it is man-to-man. And with the lack of the defensive 3 second call in the college game all other teams would do to use is throw a zone out there. Which would cause our dribble penetration to become significantly harder to execute. 

[Hovadipo 56,934]

[quote name="KingPG21" post="69177" timestamp="1401909940"]Part of the reason the Heat work so well is that it is so difficult to play zone in the NBA with their defensive 3 second call. A lot of the shooters get open shots for the Heat because of LeBron or Wade breaking down the defense, which is 99% of the time man-to-man. It is harder to break down zone defense with simple dribble penetration than it is man-to-man. And with the lack of the defensive 3 second call in the college game all other teams would do to use is throw a zone out there. Which would cause our dribble penetration to become significantly harder to execute. [/quote]

It also doesn't hurt the Heat that they have the best player in the world lol.


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[Stuhoo 81,892]

I think we will have no problems on the offensive end without HP in the lineup, or with a smaller lineup. HP will basically be a screen setter and board crasher on the offensive end; that can be reasonably replicated by the bench.

 

Where I am worried is on the defensive end, especially with our severe lack of depth. Right now I'm guessing we will only have ten players that can even suit up and attempt to contribute (one open spot, an injured PJ, and an injured CH take the other three spots).

 

I would be quite surprised if Middle School Bob can function well his freshman year (that makes a rotation of nine). I have more hope that Max and Jeremiah can pitch in.

 

Unless we catch lightning in a bottle with a completely unproven big, we are very thin, especially if an injury hits us.

[KingPG21 6,587]

It also doesn't hurt the Heat that they have the best player in the world lol.


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Yeah that definitely helps. With his ability to dribble penetrate being one of the best, if not the best in the NBA.

 

Theoretically Yogi would be able to get lots of dribble penetration pretty easily against college defenses, as does Stan. But throwing a zone makes that so much harder to do. 

[Hovadipo 56,934]

[quote name="KingPG21" post="69181" timestamp="1401910538"]Yeah that definitely helps. With his ability to dribble penetrate being one of the best, if not the best in the NBA.

Theoretically Yogi would be able to get lots of dribble penetration pretty easily against college defenses, as does Stan. But throwing a zone makes that so much harder to do. [/quote]

Especially with how we have historically "attacked" zones. (We haven't)


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[HoosierAloha 30,077]

The biggest issue we will have on offense is turnovers. Yogi, Stan Rob, JBj, and TW will be able to dribble drive, especially if Williams is playing the 4. However, the passes coming from that breakdown will be the key. Have TW and Stan Rib developed enough to get a pass on time and on target? Will Yogi stop turning it over with his jump passes. We will have the shooters this season to knock down the open shots. <br /><br /><br />Sent from my sarcastic iPhone using BrownBanners<br />

[CampHoosier 3,697]

Part of the reason the Heat work so well is that it is so difficult to play zone in the NBA with their defensive 3 second call. A lot of the shooters get open shots for the Heat because of LeBron or Wade breaking down the defense, which is 99% of the time man-to-man. It is harder to break down zone defense with simple dribble penetration than it is man-to-man. And with the lack of the defensive 3 second call in the college game all other teams would do to use is throw a zone out there. Which would cause our dribble penetration to become significantly harder to execute. 

 

While that is true, even if teams leave a guy in the paint just to prevent the dribble drive, that leaves someone open somewhere. Spacing will be HUGE. We really struggled to space the floor. If we can get away from that bunching up at the top of the key and sending someone baseline to get trapped, we can open up defenses. But we have to make shots. 

[Hutch89 2,939]

While that is true, even if teams leave a guy in the paint just to prevent the dribble drive, that leaves someone open somewhere. Spacing will be HUGE. We really struggled to space the floor. If we can get away from that bunching up at the top of the key and sending someone baseline to get trapped, we can open up defenses. But we have to make shots. 

And we need a competent big man below the basket to compress the defense and open up our passing lanes on the perimeter.