A program of excuses

[BlueDevil 8,683]

[quote name="mdn82" post="61591" timestamp="1398178782"]They are nuts. You know how people here put Knight on a pedestal? He couldn't recruit like Coach K could at the end of his career. That to me is the most impressive aspect about Coach K. He still has the fire to go out and get a Parker, Okafor, and Jones. That to me is incredible. [/quote]

It really is. Towards the end of the year he said he planned to stay atleast another 5 years. Said he wouldn't stay a day past the moment he wasn't willing to do the same things he's done for the past 30+ years.

[mdn82 25,510]

It really is. Towards the end of the year he said he planned to stay atleast another 5 years. Said he wouldn't stay a day past the moment he wasn't willing to do the same things he's done for the past 30+ years.

You know, I truly think he learned that from Knight.  Knight had the fire to coach, but did not have the fire to recruit any longer.  In the 70s he could get by on recruiting main stays from Indiana with plugging and playing from outside while being a great coach.  By the 90s, NCAA was much too national with ESPN.  Kids from every state were no longer interested in staying close to home just so their family could see them.  You could see them on TV now.  Not saying Knight was slow to adapt, but he wasn't going to win another title at IU and that much was painfully obvious after 93.  With Coach K, he could every year.  That is all you can ask for in a coach.  Early exits happen.  A team of nobodies can get hot at the wrong time.  We have seen it, as has every top team.  

[Baltimore Hoosier 986]

Let's see... JBJ is a program changing talent. Robert Johnson looks like he's ready to contribute right away too. Troy Williams is going to have a breakout year, and Yogi is Yogi. One of, if not the best PG in the country.I don't think the post is going to have to do much but rebound and block some shots. With the firepower on the wings, i have a feeling thats where most of the scoring will come from.

 

I feel like a broken record....If you aren't excited, at least more so than last season, something is wrong. This is a tournament team. If I'm wrong, then maybe you Hoosier Doomsday Prepers are right, but I think the program will be back on track in 2014-15. 

[schoosier 3,465]

1. No one can replace Bobby Knight.  The fanbase...An excuse
2. Help is on the way.  Mike Davis...An excuse
3. I didn't make those phone calls.  Kelvin Sampson...An excuse
4. It's Indiana.  Tom Crean...NOT an excuse

Its all a matter of opinion, but how about...
4. The lights were too bright or we're just freshmen.
Its Indiana was his excuse for leaving Marquette.

[schoosier 3,465]

I'd love to see your study of the correlation between winning and taking blame. I'm sure it's riveting. Sent from my place of advanced, analytical thinking: the toilet.

I'm flattered but I don't get paid 3 mil a year to have to explain or better yet, come up with excuses as to why a team that included a lottery pick and another 1000 pt scorer failed to make any post season tournament. Motivating players probably is better done in practice if you're gonna rip them vs a post game presser where you're team failed to perform yet again.

[JuwantGrimeShakes? 533]

Now if you think this upcoming year looks promising then I want some of what you're drinking. We have no post options at all and three wing freshmen are going to make a difference when we made the freshmen excuse all last year.

If you don't think this upcoming year looks promising then take off the dark glasses and stop looking backwards. We may not have 5-stars in post, but we have solid options. And shooters make the difference, "freshman" is an excuse for turnovers, "only one player on our team could consistently shoot and they double covered him all the time" was our excuse for losing. Keep 'em straight.

Dolorous Wayne would enjoy this thread...

[BlueDevil 8,683]

[quote name="mdn82" post="61600" timestamp="1398179672"]You know, I truly think he learned that from Knight. Knight had the fire to coach, but did not have the fire to recruit any longer. In the 70s he could get by on recruiting main stays from Indiana with plugging and playing from outside while being a great coach. By the 90s, NCAA was much too national with ESPN. Kids from every state were no longer interested in staying close to home just so their family could see them. You could see them on TV now. Not saying Knight was slow to adapt, but he wasn't going to win another title at IU and that much was painfully obvious after 93. With Coach K, he could every year. That is all you can ask for in a coach. Early exits happen. A team of nobodies can get hot at the wrong time. We have seen it, as has every top team. [/quote]

I think you are right.. I have seen Coach Knight in Coach K they just don't express themselves the same ways

[schoosier 3,465]

I bet it's not as good as his Hoosier calibrated eyes.

And I take it as a compliment just as the 17,000 other fans did during a home game this year. Did you happen to see that one? Certainly you would have to agree that my calibration is in line with what they saw? If you didn't, maybe you should take off your rose colored glasses.

[TheStillman 991]

And I take it as a compliment just as the 17,000 other fans did during a home game this year. Did you happen to see that one? Certainly you would have to agree that my calibration is in line with what they saw? If you didn't, maybe you should take off your rose colored glasses.

 

IU won that game where the fans booed Crean.  In addition the opposing coach lauded Crean after because he came up with such a creative defensive gameplan.  Booing the coach and team is not something to be proud of.  In fact a lot of people are mad about Marlin leaving and blame Crean, any chance that he is leaving because every time he was brought in the game he was booed by his own fans?

[Hwy 1 2,053]

And I take it as a compliment just as the 17,000 other fans did during a home game this year. Did you happen to see that one? Certainly you would have to agree that my calibration is in line with what they saw? If you didn't, maybe you should take off your rose colored glasses.

 

 

 

You'd be wrong then. Dead wrong. Your justification proves how wrong you are on that.

[schoosier 3,465]

If you don't think this upcoming year looks promising then take off the dark glasses and stop looking backwards. We may not have 5-stars in post, but we have solid options. And shooters make the difference, "freshman" is an excuse for turnovers, "only one player on our team could consistently shoot and they double covered him all the time" was our excuse for losing. Keep 'em straight.
Dolorous Wayne would enjoy this thread...

So I bet all of our opponents will make sure we get really good looks from the outside. Our solid options in the post will make them have to play us this way. A shooter makes more of a difference than a lottery big? Keep em straight I don't quite understand unless its your excuse for why we didn't win last year...no shooters, too many turnovers. Exactly my point in this thread topic.

[schoosier 3,465]

You'd be wrong then. Dead wrong. Your justification proves how wrong you are on that.

I'm as alive as the best, most knowlegeable fanbase in college basketball. When 17,000 others see it in person is justification. Keep polishing that turd.

[JSHoosier 19,984]

There are a lot of excuses, the problems are never Crean's fault.  The team is young because classes haven't been balanced, nothing Crean could do that's only part of recruiting.  The team lacks shooters, not on him it's just recruiting again.  For some reason we're supposed to be fine with "rebuilding" in year 6.  We shouldn't expect Crean to reach the standard that should be expected here (you know, what he's paid very well to do), we should lower the bar of acceptability to avoid saying he's not good enough.

[mdn82 25,510]

Its all a matter of opinion, but how about...
4. The lights were too bright or we're just freshmen.
Its Indiana was his excuse for leaving Marquette.

 

So now you need an excuse to leave Marquette for Indiana?  Hmm…  I don't know about that.  

[HoosierD 504]

[quote name="schoosier" post="61619" timestamp="1398181601"]So I bet all of our opponents will make sure we get really good looks from the outside. Our solid options in the post will make them have to play us this way. A shooter makes more of a difference than a lottery big? Keep em straight I don't quite understand unless its your excuse for why we didn't win last year...no shooters, too many turnovers. Exactly my point in this thread topic.[/quote]

Uhhhh....shooters space the floor and big guys getting doubled clog it. What are they gonna do pull Hanner's man off him, leaving him wide open from a foot out and double on JBJ?


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[schoosier 3,465]

Uhhhh....shooters space the floor and big guys getting doubled clog it. What are they gonna do pull Hanner's man off him, leaving him wide open from a foot out and double on JBJ? Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners

Probably not but after 2 years in the program I have yet to see Hanner hit many shots period. What you will see imo is very tight man to man with an emphasis on help side defense in the post. The tight man to man out front will take our shooters out and the helpside d will neutralize the driving abilities of Troy and Stan. Unless we plan on throwing a lot of alley oops which Crean has no history of doing much of any here, I just don't see how Hanner will help us in the paint other than rebounding. We will also likely see a lot of triangle and twos where Yogi and JB get chased and 3 other defenders play zone. This limits the amount of driving by Troy and Stan and you give them any shot. Plus, normally rebounding would be a concern in this defense unless you consider how small we will be next year.

[schoosier 3,465]

So now you need an excuse to leave Marquette for Indiana?  Hmm…  I don't know about that.

You will have to ask the man who said it.

[CottageGrove 563]

It does correlate to winning and you see it with the best coaches. How many times when Mich St plays poorly does Izzo take the blame? Does he make excuses? His idea of throwing kids under the bus was shown after their poor performance getting beat in the tournament this year and you know what he said? Nothing to take away from UConn but our team did not play their best. That's what you get from a championship coach. Now if you think this upcoming year looks promising then I want some of what you're drinking. We have no post options at all and three wing freshmen are going to make a difference when we made the freshmen excuse all last year.

 

Matt Painter took a lot of blame on himself after PU's season ended this year. So I guess it correlates to finishing last in the conference too.

[schoosier 3,465]

Matt Painter took a lot of blame on himself after PU's season ended this year. So I guess it correlates to finishing last in the conference too.

I don't follow Purdue but I bet his fanbase appreciates it. That and the fact his last placed team kicked our a$$ this year.

[Walking Boot of Doom 18,170]

[quote name="schoosier" post="61608" timestamp="1398180489"]I'm flattered but I don't get paid 3 mil a year to have to explain or better yet, come up with excuses as to why a team that included a lottery pick and another 1000 pt scorer failed to make any post season tournament. Motivating players probably is better done in practice if you're gonna rip them vs a post game presser where you're team failed to perform yet again.[/quote] But you have zero proof that says his players don't respond well to the accountability. Plenty of players have thrived and grown under Crean. DWade still asks CTC for advice. Oladipo and Zeller have been back to Btown to see CTC because they respect him and his insight.


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