Yogi will be a 1st team All-American

[Walking Boot of Doom 18,170]

I just want to talk about how awesome Yogi is.


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[Halftime Adjustment 16]

I'm brand new here.  I'm an IU alumnus currently living overseas.  When IU was ranked at the top nationally I got to see quite a few games although that usually meant getting up at 3 or 4 AM to do so.  With their recent demise games were hard for me to come by. I check the box scores after every game and pay attention to the stats sheet.

 

That said, in what little I've watched this year, I think Yogi needs to be more of a point guard.  That means setting up others and getting them into the offense.  I distinctly recall one game this year where Yogi drove in, drew the defense, had a big man wide open for a lay-up and, instead, tried to shoot over their big man and had it blocked.  It was a perfect opportunity for a pass, assist, and engage your teammate in the offense that was missed.  

 

Of course turnovers were the Achilles' Heel of this past team.  Yogi's assist/turnover ratio was 1.49.  That puts Yogi at number 231 in NCAA D1 players for this year.  231!  I'm sorry but NO team can be successful when their point guard ranks number 231 in assist to turnover ratio.  There is NO way that guy is getting the most from his teammates or improving their play.  (Morris at Iowa State was #1 at 4.79. How'd Iowa State do this year?)

 

I realize much more was asked of Yogi in the scoring department and he did deliver.  Yogi's field goal percentage was 41.3%, for 3 pointers it was 40.0%.  Not bad numbers but hardly stellar. He especially improved his 3 point shot. His shooting certainly won the Michigan game which I did see but in other games which we lost and where I saw only box scores it looked like he'd have been much more effective as a passer as his shooting percentages were quite dismal. 

 

Anyway my point is this, if Yogi is to be a point guard that makes this team better he needs to play more like a point guard. That means setting up teammates and delivering them the ball in good position to score.  It means making that dish to your open teammate rather than trying to shoot over an opponent. (Even if you make that shot you STILL missed the opportunity to get your teammate involved in the offense!)  Perhaps with the new additions that will happen.  The lack of any viable big men will make getting those good looks from others much more important.  Yogi is the key.  IMHO if he continues to try to be more of a scorer than a playmaker the team will not improve.  

[Ohreally 24]

The trouble with Halftime Adjustment's analysis is that he relies too much on a single statistic, the A/T ratio, which causes him to make ludicrous statements such as the one about no team being successful with a point guard having an A/T ratio similar to Ferrell's. He could simply look up Andrew Harrison's A/T ratio to find that that statement is incorrect. The A/T ratio does not speak directly to either the numerator or the denominator. Thus, his #1 player in that ratio, Morris of Iowa State, actually has a significantly lower assist rate than does Ferrell. It would appear that Ferrell is not the selfish point guard that Halftime imagines him to be. In order to be better-informed about Ferrell's worth as a point guard, Halftime would be well-advised to peruse advanced stats available at several websites. If he were to do that, he would find, for instance, that exactly nine out of Real GM's database of 540 college point guards had a better combination of turnover rate, assist rate, and true shooting percentage than did Ferrell. Morris was not one of them. Regarding turnovers, the truth is that while Ferrell could stand to reduce his turnovers, he was significantly better than average in turnover rate among college point guards, and he had a lower turnover rate than any other of IU's admittedly turnover-prone regular players.

[KelleyHoosh 2,263]

I can totally see Yogi being 1st team AA next year. 

[djsalway 4,161]

He was called upon to do much more this year due to everyone else looking lost half the time. Next year he can settle into more of a facilitator who knocks down 3s when needed. I truly think he can average 20 ppg and over 6 apg. There was no one to assist this year, that's why his assist numbers weren't high.

[BlueDevil 8,739]

[quote name="djsalway" post="57911" timestamp="1396797514"]He was called upon to do much more this year due to everyone else looking lost half the time. Next year he can settle into more of a facilitator who knocks down 3s when needed. I truly think he can average 20 ppg and over 6 apg. There was no one to assist this year, that's why his assist numbers weren't high.[/quote]

Exactly can't get assists when kids can't shoot.

[Rayl 527]

Exactly can't get assists when kids can't shoot.

 

Or stand around making themselves easy to guard when they don't have the ball.

[JSHoosier 20,345]

Or stand around making themselves easy to guard when they don't have the ball.

We've done the same thing for 6 years, it's not going to change.  It's part of our offense.

 

Back on topic, I could see Yogi making an AA team.  If not this year than his senior year.

[Walking Boot of Doom 18,170]

Short of stating statistics, I loved watching him take over in the crunch time and just start raining ridiculous threes. I mean some of the shots he was making in the final two minutes of close games were just ice cold.


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[fivestarhtm 18]

Well he has to have somebody he can pass it to tht can hit a jump shot, watched yogi for years when i was an assistant coach for indiana elite middle school kids an when got a chance would go watch zeller an yogi an others an believe me yogi would much rather pass before shoot. He thrives best running the floor an penetrating an dishing. But we had to have someone tht could put points on the board. An unless crean can find a set rotation an let these kids play not going to be much different next season I'm afraid


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[Halftime Adjustment 16]

Ohreally.  This is exactly why, thus far, I’ve avoided commenting in this site.  I don’t have the time that many others seem to possess.  I stand by my assessment that the A/T ratio is an important parameter.  However, you are correct to say that it says nothing about either the numerator or denominator.  So let’s look at those.  Yogi had 3.92 assists/game which puts him at # 109 on the Real GM list of point guards. The PG with the highest number had 9.90 APG.  Yogi had 2.62 TPG which put him at #75 from the worst PG who had 3.97 TPG.  Neither of those numbers gets me excited.  Yes I gave Yogi credit for scoring and I’m sure your statistic that mixes turnover rate, assist rate and true shooting percentage is an extremely valuable measure of success; and yes I’m sure we could create other measures which are equally enlightening, and yes there are many other factors that help contribute to said numbers such as the quality of his teammates, but my point is that, as a point guard, we need him to be getting his teammates involved and creating open shots for them.  That is the true value of a point guard.  I never called Yogi a selfish player (that’s your interpretation from my comments) and I qualified my comments with the fact that I don’t get to see many games which sucks so I’m certainly going on much less than others bring to this forum.  Anyway, I’ve said my piece and probably won’t respond to any other comments as a work week lies ahead of me. I think we both wish the Hoosiers greater success next year.

[IU Hoosier41 14,465]

[quote name="Halftime Adjustment" post="57897" timestamp="1396778388"]I'm brand new here. I'm an IU alumnus currently living overseas. When IU was ranked at the top nationally I got to see quite a few games although that usually meant getting up at 3 or 4 AM to do so. With their recent demise games were hard for me to come by. I check the box scores after every game and pay attention to the stats sheet.

That said, in what little I've watched this year, I think Yogi needs to be more of a point guard. That means setting up others and getting them into the offense. I distinctly recall one game this year where Yogi drove in, drew the defense, had a big man wide open for a lay-up and, instead, tried to shoot over their big man and had it blocked. It was a perfect opportunity for a pass, assist, and engage your teammate in the offense that was missed.

Of course turnovers were the Achilles' Heel of this past team. Yogi's assist/turnover ratio was 1.49. That puts Yogi at number 231 in NCAA D1 players for this year. 231! I'm sorry but NO team can be successful when their point guard ranks number 231 in assist to turnover ratio. There is NO way that guy is getting the most from his teammates or improving their play. (Morris at Iowa State was #1 at 4.79. How'd Iowa State do this year?)

I realize much more was asked of Yogi in the scoring department and he did deliver. Yogi's field goal percentage was 41.3%, for 3 pointers it was 40.0%. Not bad numbers but hardly stellar. He especially improved his 3 point shot. His shooting certainly won the Michigan game which I did see but in other games which we lost and where I saw only box scores it looked like he'd have been much more effective as a passer as his shooting percentages were quite dismal.

Anyway my point is this, if Yogi is to be a point guard that makes this team better he needs to play more like a point guard. That means setting up teammates and delivering them the ball in good position to score. It means making that dish to your open teammate rather than trying to shoot over an opponent. (Even if you make that shot you STILL missed the opportunity to get your teammate involved in the offense!) Perhaps with the new additions that will happen. The lack of any viable big men will make getting those good looks from others much more important. Yogi is the key. IMHO if he continues to try to be more of a scorer than a playmaker the team will not improve. [/quote]

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[Dunn Woods 92]

with his turnover rate that is very unlikely