RMK and word choice again

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Over the past few days, there's been some questions about whether guys like Andrew Wiggins and Jabari Parker are ready for the NBA. Wiggins scored four points in a loss to Stanford, while Parker struggled to a 4 of 14 performance against Mercer.

While both players are going to be top-three NBA Draft picks and are certainly ready for the league, not everyone agrees.

Legendary head coach Bob Knight is one of them, and he says he wouldn't draft a 19 or 20-year old.

"If I were involved with the NBA I wouldn't want a 19-year-old or a 20-year-old kid, to bring into all the travel and all the problems that exist in the NBA," Knight said on Mike and Mike Tuesday morning. "I would want a much more mature kid. I would want a kid that maybe I've been watching on another team and now he's 21, 22 years old instead of 18 or 19, and I might trade for that kid."

Knight also went on to discuss the college-NBA system -- and he said that it's as if the NBA "raped" college basketball.

"On top of it all, the NBA does a tremendous, gigantic disservice to college basketball. It's as though they've raped college basketball in my opinion," Knight said. "Major League Baseball has the best idea of all. Three years before they'll take a kid out of college, then they have a minor league system that they put the kids in. I'm sure that if the NBA followed the same thing, there would be a lot of kids in a minor league system that still were not good enough to play in the major NBA.""

http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/eye-on-college-basketball/24499840/bob-knight-nba-has-raped-college-basketball

 

 

 

Some guys never learn. Guess we might as well lay back and enjoy it. :(

[CampHoosier 3,697]

The NBA should let kids go straight from High School go. If they feel they can make it, go for it pal. But if you enroll at a University, I think you have to be 20 years old before you can come out. That takes care of kids who don't want to be in college and doesn't force players to stay all four years. Bang biscuit

[Hovadipo 55,012]

Yeah...that wasn't exactly politically correct lol.


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[BlueDevil 8,655]

[quote name="CampCrean" post="53189" timestamp="1395755673"]The NBA should let kids go straight from High School go. If they feel they can make it, go for it pal. But if you enroll at a University, I think you have to be 20 years old before you can come out. That takes care of kids who don't want to be in college and doesn't force players to stay all four years. Bang biscuit[/quote]

Ya tough titty if you decide to go out of high school and don't make IMO. Had the opportunity to go play college ball.

[KelleyHoosh 2,263]

I've mentioned before that I am a fan of this idea. Most kids will be realistic enough to know they won't make it straight out of high school. They will improve their individual game thus improving the NBA when they make it there. Oh, and along the way it makes CBB a whole lot better! I think this would be best for all parties really


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[DrMAK8892 20]

I say to bring college basketball back to
What it was the following needs to happen:
-let players join NBA straight out of high school, but what they join for 2 years is the Developmental league.
-that will leave scholarships for those kids planning on actually attending college with the intent to earn a degree. A scholarship is essentially a 4 year contract with a school. If you leave before your contract is up to go professional, then you owe the school some money to get out of your contract and so that they can find a suitable replacement. However if you leave as a
Transfer, you are not penalized, but the school you go to has to make up the remaining value of the contract to the school you left.

I think this will bring back the committed 4 year athlete and let the superstars who have no interest in a college degree just skip it and stop taking scholarships from the true student athlete



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[eddiejsmall 37]

I think we are getting extremely off topic. Shouldn't this be about what Knight said. He did just equate "rape" to the NBA. Reminds me of a great Dane Cook skit...


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[TrueHoosier62 1,592]

OMG, he used the word "rape" as a metaphor to describe something that in his eyes was heinous. Stop the presses! People in every walk of life apply hyperbole every single day, and the handmaiden to hyperbole is the metaphor. I wonder how many people have compared their asinine boss or their overbearing spouse to Hitler? 

Frankly, I still find RMK refreshingly blunt, which is far better, in my opinion, than those who're politically correct, and spew mindless drivel. 

[OliviaPope40 6,432]

Oh RMK being RMK no surprise here.

[eddiejsmall 37]

[quote name="TrueHoosier62" post="53221" timestamp="1395757728"]OMG, he used the word "rape" as a metaphor to describe something that in his eyes was heinous. Stop the presses! People in every walk of life apply hyperbole every single day, and the handmaiden to hyperbole is the metaphor. I wonder how many people have compared their asinine boss or their overbearing spouse to Hitler?
Frankly, I still find RMK refreshingly blunt, which is far better, in my opinion, than those who're politically correct, and spew mindless drivel. [/quote]

Let's ask this question to a room full of women who have actually been raped, then let's see what kind of answer we get?

Don't just assume "words" are okay! Because they aren't. They hurt people, may not hurt you, but others can be hurt by what was said.

Knight isn't coming back so no need to still worship the ground he walks on...


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[KeithIUGrad89 33]

You people do know that the term "rape" has more than one meaning, right? It isn't just the criminal act. In fact, it means to pillage and rob long before it was termed/used in the context of a sex crime. Ergo, RMK used the term correctly in this context! Geez.........SMH

 

Keith

[eddiejsmall 37]

[quote name="KeithIUGrad89" post="53230" timestamp="1395758566"]You people do know that the term "rape" has more than one meaning, right? It isn't just the criminal act. In fact, it means to pillage and rob long before it was termed/used in the context of a sex crime. Ergo, RMK used the term correctly in this context! Geez.........SMH

Keith[/quote]

You also are aware that the word has a sexual context, SO DON'T USE IT.

rape[ reyp ]
noun
1. the unlawful compelling of a person through physical force or duress to have sexual intercourse.
2. any act of sexual intercourse that is forced upon a person.
3. statutory rape
4. an act of plunder, violent seizure, or abuse; despoliation; violation: the rape of the countryside.
5. the act of seizing and carrying off by force.
verb (used with object) [raped, rap·ing.]
1. to force to have sexual intercourse.
2. to plunder (a place); despoil.
3. to seize, take, or carry off by force.
verb (used without object) [raped, rap·ing.]
1. to commit rape.
noun
1. a plant, Brassica napus, of the mustard family, whose leaves are used for food for hogs, sheep, etc., and whose seeds yield rape oil.
2. the residue of grapes, after the juice has been extracted, used as a filter in making vinegar.


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[DrMAK8892 20]

Lighten up Francis! Jeez! Turn the sensitivity down a little .


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[djsalway 4,161]

I used to use the word as hyperbole, but once someone that I knew personally was affected by the actual act of rape, it completely left my vocabulary. You guys would feel differently if someone close to you was raped. There's no reasonable excuse for using the word.

[KeithIUGrad89 33]

Look, I understand the criminal definition (I am a criminal defense attorney) very well. The origin of the word goes back to late 14th century as "to rob and plunder". Anyone that studies English and word origins knows there is a duel meaning for this word. That doesn't mean we need to remove it from the general vernacular of the English language! When used in the correct context, NO ONE should get upset or misunderstand it's meaning. Bobby wasn't trying to use it in the criminal/sexual way; he used it in it's original meaning.

 

Keith

[BlueDevil 8,655]

Regardless of what context he was using it in (I personally don't have an issue with it), he probably could have used a better word.

[djsalway 4,161]

Look, I understand the criminal definition (I am a criminal defense attorney) very well. The origin of the word goes back to late 14th century as "to rob and plunder". Anyone that studies English and word origins knows there is a duel meaning for this word. That doesn't mean we need to remove it from the general vernacular of the English language! When used in the correct context, NO ONE should get upset or misunderstand it's meaning. Bobby wasn't trying to use it in the criminal/sexual way; he used it in it's original meaning.

 

Keith

 

Definitions can change over time, and the most common definition for this word is the criminal/sexual definition. Most people know it in its sexual context, not "to rob and plunder." That is why it isn't generally accepted anymore.

[TrueHoosier62 1,592]

Let's ask this question to a room full of women who have actually been raped, then let's see what kind of answer we get?

Don't just assume "words" are okay! Because they aren't. They hurt people, may not hurt you, but others can be hurt by what was said.

Knight isn't coming back so no need to still worship the ground he walks on...


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1. Knight wasn't speaking to a room full of women, previously raped or otherwise. He was being asked a question, presumably by CBS

2. Not all women, previously raped or otherwise, are so thin skinned as to have a nervous breakdown from seeing, hearing or saying the word "rape". That there may be one amongst their number that may be offended by a form or use of the word that reminds them of their own experience and context, is hardly justification for avoiding the word in it's entirety. 

3. I don't worship the ground upon which Knight walks. I reserve that for Jesus Christ alone. Knight was simply a brilliant coach that too many people try to "dis" and demean by using his forthright, well spoken, clear, concise and sometimes yes, politically incorrect speech against him.

4.The fact is, he's right. The NBA has destroyed the college game. Indeed, they have bastardized the very game itself.

5. "Bastardized" here, is being used in a purely non judgmental form.

[CampHoosier 3,697]

Well, Knight is the same guy that said "if you're going to get raped, you might as well lay back and enjoy it" when referring to a bad loss. So, his track record with the word isn't great

[mdn82 25,510]

[quote name="TrueHoosier62" post="53241" timestamp="1395759748"]1. Knight wasn't speaking to a room full of women, previously raped or otherwise. He was being asked a question by presumably, CBS
2. Not all women, previously raped or otherwise, are so thin skinned as to have a nervous breakdown from seeing, hearing or saying the word "rape". That there [i]may[/i] be one amongst their number that [i]may[/i] be offended by a form or use of the word that reminds them of their own experience and context, is hardly justification for avoiding the word in it's entirety.
3. I don't worship the ground upon which Knight walks. I reserve that for Jesus Christ alone. Knight was simply a brilliant coach that too many people try to "dis" and demean by using his forthright, well spoken, clear, concise and sometimes yes, politically incorrect speech against him.
4.The fact is, he's right. The NBA has destroyed the college game. Indeed, they have bastardized the very game itself.
5. "Bastardized" here, is being used in a purely non judgmental form.[/quote]I don't think the NBA has bastardized the NCAA. If the NCAA wanted kids to stay if they started they could. The only rules determining college to NBA come from the NBA side. I do hope they go to 20 yrs old because I don't think the NCAA ever does anything to clarify this situation. I am personally the biggest fan of college football and the NFLs system. I think they are mutually benefitting from that system. More NFL support due to interest in specific kids and more interest in college football due to kids being there more than a year.


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