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[johnsoniu 7,008]

You knowing this doesn't surprise me. You find your way to the emergency room with this prob? Lol

Lol, nope wasn't me. But 25 years of managing construction crews, I've become very well versed in dui and drug laws. Had to bail more than my fair share out.

[JaybobHoosier 12,638]

What off-season moves do the Cards need to do to improve the team?

I would like to see them go after Corey Hart. He can play 1B against lefties, and split time with Grichuk in RF. I don't want to let Grichuk take over full time.

I see them trading Jaime Garcia or putting him in the bullpen. Cards have a very solid rotation in Waino, Lynn, Wacha, Lackey, and Miller. Cards have a few other options in case of any injuries.

Cards HAVE to upgrade the bullpen. I would like to see them keep Motte, but it doesn't seem like they will as of right now. My projected line-up:

Carpenter - 3B
Jay - CF
Holliday - LF
Adams - 1B
Molina - C
Peralta - SS
Hart - RF
Wong - 2B
Waino - P

That's a very good lineup imo. If Hart is able to stay healthy, he could be a steal. He will be low cost, and we have Grichuk to back him up.

Thoughts?

[JaybobHoosier 12,638]

WOOOOOOOW. Cardinals just traded Shelby Miller and Minor Leaguer for Jayson Heyward and Minor Leaguer. This could be HUUUUGE. I like it. He hasn't quite lived up to the hype, but he comes in a low pressure situation. This is a good pick up. Hate to see Miller go, but I understand.

[JaybobHoosier 12,638]

Cardinals one of four teams in on Jon Lester. Surprised by this, but this is really showing they want to win now imo.

That would make the Cards and incredible force. If that happens, they will get rid of Garcia if that isn't already in the works. Dang, starting 5 of:

Waino
Lester
Lynn
Lackey
Wacha

If Wacha is healthy, that is a great rotation. Lackey isn't great, but is a bargain for his contract this year. Already excited for next season lol

[brtjohns 711]

you guys will love j-hey.  elite defensive player and baserunner.  plays the game all out and is as classy as they come.  hasn't become the silver slugger everybody thought he would be upon arriving in the bigs and hitting a bomb off zambrano in his first at-bat (remember it like it was yesterday), but he's clutch, hits just as well if not better on the road as he does at home, and gets on base well with good plate discipline.  his kryptonite is lefties -- career .221/.301/.349 vs southpaws.  also has been a bit injury prone.  but he's undoubtedly one of the top all-around players in the game.  trust me, cardinal nation will be clamoring to sign him long term.  braves fans everywhere are depressed he's gone.  I know I wont be getting over it anytime soon.

[Naturalhoosier 15,468]

you guys will love j-hey. elite defensive player and baserunner. plays the game all out and is as classy as they come. hasn't become the silver slugger everybody thought he would be upon arriving in the bigs and hitting a bomb off zambrano in his first at-bat (remember it like it was yesterday), but he's clutch, hits just as well if not better on the road as he does at home, and gets on base well with good plate discipline. his kryptonite is lefties -- career .221/.301/.349 vs southpaws. also has been a bit injury prone. but he's undoubtedly one of the top all-around players in the game. trust me, cardinal nation will be clamoring to sign him long term. braves fans everywhere are depressed he's gone. I know I wont be getting over it anytime soon.

Just become a Cards fan.

[brtjohns 711]

from mlbtraderumors

 

"New Cardinals outfielder Jason Heyward only has one season remaining before free agency, and St. Louis likely has the financial flexibility to sign him long term. It’s not surprising, then, that there’s been some discussion in the St. Louis media about the possibility that the Cardinals would extend him. For the right price, Heyward (who’s already set to make $8.3MM in 2015) would be an exceptionally strong extension candidate.

 

Heyward won’t turn 26 until next August, and he has an excellent all-around game that includes plus defense to go with good on-base ability, reasonable power and above-average baserunning. He might also be able to retain his value as his defense declines, too — his control over the strike zone and toolsy profile suggest he might still have headroom as a hitter.

 

Of course, the same factors that make Heyward a good extension candidate would also make the Casey Close client a very attractive free agent. The fact that free agency is so near makes an extension a different proposition than it was when MLBTR’s Tim Dierkes examined Heyward’s candidacy early in the 2013 season.

 

Perhaps the best precedents for an extension for a top position player with between five and six years of service time are those of Matt Kemp (eight years, $160MM) and Adrian Gonzalez (seven years, $154MM). Heyward isn’t, or isn’t yet, the offensive player that Kemp or Gonzalez were — Kemp was coming off a .324/.399/.586 season at the time of his extension, while Gonzalez had just hit .298/.393/.511 in pitcher-friendly San Diego. But average salaries have skyrocketed throughout the game since those contracts were signed in 2011 (the average MLB salary jumped 12 percent just last year), and we should expect extensions to keep pace.

 

Also, Heyward is two years younger than Kemp was and more than three years younger than Gonzalez at the times of their contracts, a significant matter when the contract would begin with the player heading into his age-25 season (or age-26, depending on how one wants to look at it) rather than his age-27 season (Kemp) or age-29 season (Gonzalez). And Heyward is a far better defensive player than either Kemp or Gonzalez, with a UZR of 24.1 last season and of at least 12 for three seasons straight. Historically, that’s not an attribute that figures to get Heyward paid like huge power numbers would, but it makes it that less likely that his next contract will be a bust — Heyward’s on-base ability and excellent defense significantly limit his downside.

Jacoby Ellsbury‘s seven-year, $153MM deal with the Yankees, signed as a free agent after the 2013 season, provides a recent precedent for a contract for a star-caliber, left-handed outfielder with defensive value. Again, though, Heyward is far younger than Ellsbury, an enormous point in his favor.

 

Given Heyward’s youth, it isn’t hard to see an extension heading toward at least eight rather than seven — a nine-year extension would only go through his age-33 season, and even a deal of ten years or more doesn’t seem ridiculous. Heyward isn’t likely to reach the same stratospheric heights as Giancarlo Stanton ($325MM) or Miguel Cabrera ($248MM), but those head-spinning deals should help keep the market trending upward, and it isn’t hard to see Heyward clearing $200MM, as Fangraphs’ Dave Cameron proposed last month. Heyward could also seek an opt-out clause, like Stanton, and like fellow Close clients Zack Greinke, Clayton Kershaw and Masahiro Tanaka.

 

Or maybe the idea that Heyward is a $200MM player after a .271/.351/.384 season simply won’t add up, regardless of his youth and defense. But perhaps, from Heyward’s perspective, not matching the Stanton or Cabrera deals doesn’t mean he can’t come out ahead in the end. Heyward is so young that he could play his way through a nine-figure extension and still be young enough to land another.

 

Seen from that angle, a shorter deal, perhaps modeled on Mike Trout‘s six-year, $144MM contract, might make sense. Heyward isn’t as young or as good as Trout, but he might be able to land only a similar total over six years because Trout’s contract began with three pre-free-agency seasons and Heyward’s would only begin with one.  That way, Heyward could hit free agency heading into his age-31 season, at which point he would still be young enough to hit it big. A nine-year deal, say, would be much more lucrative, but would probably leave him too old to net another huge contract after it’s over.

 

That route is probably unlikely, however. Heyward is only one year from free agency and has little reason to give the Cardinals a discount, and he was not particularly motivated to sign an extension with the Braves. That might suggest Heyward could either sign a huge deal for eight-plus years, or hope for a big season, test the free agent market and perhaps wind up with a contract that’s even longer. When you’re as young and as good as Heyward, there are few bad choices."

[JaybobHoosier 12,638]

Thanks BJ. I can see them signing him long term, and give them flexibility when their two young prospects get more experience. They could either keep Heyward long term, or use him to get a big starting pitcher or something in a trade.

[JaybobHoosier 12,638]

Love me some baseball. Can't wait to see our Cards. Just hope Wacha and stay healthy.

1 - Carpenter - 3B
2 - Heyward - RF
3 - Holiday - LF
4 - Adams - 1B
5 - Pheralta - SS
6 - Molina - C
7 - Jay - CF
8 - Wong - 2B
9 - Pitcher

[Alford Bailey 12,888]

What UK is to IU in basketball  the Cards are to my Reds in baseball. Hate them but respect them in the same breath. They get it done every year.

[JSHoosier 21,917]

What UK is to IU in basketball  the Cards are to my Reds in baseball. Hate them but respect them in the same breath. They get it done every year.

I don't even respect UK.  At one time I had a portion of a fragment of a subatomic particle of respect for them, but after they hired Cal even that vanished.  Now it's just hate.

[IU Bud 445]

I have been a Cardinal fan since birth. My parents grew up in southern Illinois, so they were Cardinal fans from their earliest memories. I remember listening to games while watching my dad work on a project in the garage, or while we were driving someplace. It was rare to get to see them on TV back then, but that changed when cable became available and we could watch them play Atlanta and Chicago.

 

We try to go to a couple of games per year. My son has gone to a few playoff games including games in 2011 and most years in between.

 

This post has been good so I can identity the people that are good Cardinal fans. 

[Hovadipo 60,327]

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Warning for language, but whatever.

GO CUBS

[CR3AMnCR1MS0N 1,867]

Haha. Notre Dame beatchyall

[Dalton26 17,036]

Haha. Notre Dame beatchyall

Nortre Dame beat the St Louis Cardinals?

[CR3AMnCR1MS0N 1,867]

Nortre Dame beat the St Louis Cardinals?

[JaybobHoosier 12,638]

Cards jump out early! 2-0 going to the bottom of the 2nd. Keep it up Cardinals!

[jakemappes 9]

Go reds

[JaybobHoosier 12,638]

Go reds

Start your own thread!!!

[Naturalhoosier 15,468]

Start your own thread!!!

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