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4 minutes ago, Aaron said:

Pretty much at this point they may well be forced to do that.

Also it would be WBIT for women  (where finals are in Indy) as primary tournament behind NCAA now for women. WNIT is a ring below that now and would probably decline a bid for that. Gonna have to build back up what has been so successful for a decade. Sometimes an 11th yr coach has to adjust with times and seems finally willing to do that. 

Who said IU Ladies get Stotjin.  Is it considered a win now to be in player’s top 5?

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1 minute ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

For IU to just be figuring out NIL matters in womens hoops is either incredibly on par for our administration or a we don’t care that much decision.

I guess a proud Moren could just renounce the whole idea, which is unfortunate because now we are totally behind the 8ball.

Can’t spend big for every sport. IU trying to help Volleyball, Soccer, Swimming. The money will spread thin.

I guess we could be happy as a fanbase to run to 1/4 of B1G and try to re-run that but teams will get poached.

They really kinda dropped the ball on this after getting fans to completely buy in.


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IU has wanted to up NIL for women but coach has to agree. This one is not on administration but Moren and was warned about this.

At least she gets it and is willing to adjust which is the mark of a pretty good coach. Many would not. 

Just will take patients to raise the money now. Sometimes stubborn long term coaches get to prideful and Brenda Frese who is even more successful them Moren did just that and had really rough 2022-2023 but much better since and adjusted. Moren sounds like she is ready to do same fortunately. 

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1 minute ago, TTT said:

Who said IU Ladies get Stotjin.  Is it considered a win now to be in player’s top 5?

It doesn't hurt when going after others as portal season goes on. Whether they get Stotjin or not I have no idea. 

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3 minutes ago, Aaron said:

IU has wanted to up NIL for women but coach has to agree. This one is not on administration but Moren and was warned about this.

At least she gets it and is willing to adjust which is the mark of a pretty good coach. Many would not. 

Just will take patients to raise the money now. Sometimes stubborn long term coaches get to prideful and Brenda Frese who is even more successful them Moren did just that and had really rough 2022-2023 but much better since and adjusted. Moren sounds like she is ready to do same fortunately. 

Do you know how our assistants stack up recruiting wise? 
 

Patberg is a program legend but super young and that new guy Miller is coming from the WNBA. 
 

Just curious to know if they or IU has any juice in the HS/AAU scene 

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Just now, Beepboop said:

Do you know how our assistants stack up recruiting wise? 
 

Patberg is a program legend but super young and that new guy Miller is coming from the WNBA. 
 

Just curious to know if they or IU has any juice in the HS/AAU scene 

Not sure here. Sorry. The fact they are finally getting some of the best player in Indiana though would seem to be a good sign.

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Before this year IU Ladies struck out on several 5 star players

Prince/Nebraska, Blakes/Vandy, the player who went to UCLA and play sparingly, Howell/USC, Shade/UCONN, girl from Fort Wayne/UCONN walks in late…to identify a few. 
 

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37 minutes ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

For IU to just be figuring out NIL matters in womens hoops is either incredibly on par for our administration or a we don’t care that much decision.

I guess a proud Moren could just renounce the whole idea, which is unfortunate because now we are totally behind the 8ball.

Can’t spend big for every sport. IU trying to help Volleyball, Soccer, Swimming. The money will spread thin.

I guess we could be happy as a fanbase to run to 1/4 of B1G and try to re-run that but teams will get poached.

They really kinda dropped the ball on this after getting fans to completely buy in.


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And players to buy in as well.  Lady players can see this as well.  (Especially after the garbage that 6 million plus coaching salaries bought on the men’s side of things)…mainly talking about character (vs wins and losses).
I am not sure how much there is to buy into all this because money seems to fall out of the sky sometimes and to be that far out of touch and experienced in the profession….players can see things 

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1 hour ago, Aaron said:

IU has wanted to up NIL for women but coach has to agree. This one is not on administration but Moren and was warned about this.

At least she gets it and is willing to adjust which is the mark of a pretty good coach. Many would not. 

Just will take patients to raise the money now. Sometimes stubborn long term coaches get to prideful and Brenda Frese who is even more successful them Moren did just that and had really rough 2022-2023 but much better since and adjusted. Moren sounds like she is ready to do same fortunately. 

Why wouldn't the coach agree to use NIL?

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28 minutes ago, mickey one said:

Why wouldn't the coach agree to use NIL?

Because she is old school and thought her culture was strong enough that she did not need it. Sometimes when coaches are used to doing things a certain way for a decade plus it can be hard to adjust.

The fact Moren finally gets it and has, speaks to her ability to adjust on the fly and be flexible. Many great coaches have never learned and end up retiring. 

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I noticed T. Moren and IU Ladies changed their tune this year.  Without mentioning names T. Moren rode several high character committed players the past few years.  And the attitude was big ten championships and final fours (one big ten championship and elite 8 happened).  Now, it’s come to Indiana and play in March Madness. (Digressed).

 NIL started July 2021.  It took time to build.  I’ve heard T. Moren say there should be limits on it around 2023.  However, IU Ladies were peaking with Holmes and Berger in 22-23 and 23-24.  One annoyance were comments directed how do you replace all American players.  Answer:  you replace them and move forward. (Should never have been so thin nor unable to competently replace them).  
T. Moren has a burning desire to win another big ten title and a National Championship or (at least final 4 with chance to win national championship).

Sorry, I don’t buy the NIL ignorance on her part.  I think she would have adjusted by now already.  Plus from what I am reading it is still in the iffy category regarding future NIL.  
And yes Brenda F. is a great coach but is irrelevant in IU NiL implementation.

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Currie-Jelks to Murray State.

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Iowa working on Avery Howell.

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20 hours ago, Aaron said:

Because she is old school and thought her culture was strong enough that she did not need it. Sometimes when coaches are used to doing things a certain way for a decade plus it can be hard to adjust.

The fact Moren finally gets it and has, speaks to her ability to adjust on the fly and be flexible. Many great coaches have never learned and end up retiring. 

Confused at why coach would actually turn down recruiting money?

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Not sure on this but according to folks talking on Iowa blog about not having enough money NIL for Avery Howell….it was noted that Lucy Olsen who graduated received $500,000…but then it was stated a donor stepped in and Olsen actually received $850,000.

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12 minutes ago, Claxdj01 said:

Confused at why coach would actually turn down recruiting money?

Was it like here is a stack of money (a few million) T. M. Take it to buy some players.

T. Moren says:  Oh that’s nice.  No thank you we don’t need it and we will be fine.

side note:  It seems there are many winning programs that have a great family loving high level relationship close culture.

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UConn has amazing team esprit de corp, but Paige Bueckers supposedly has about $1.4 m. in NIL money (this year?), and some comment was made on TV at the finals, that she asked Geno for advice on how to invest her money. Do all of them at UConn get NIL money like that? Wouldn't it be destructive of team spirit to have 1 or 2 players with "big time NIL" and others get nothing or little? What if one player is driving a BMW, and the rest of the players cannot even afford cars?

What happens if you get big-time NIL money and then have an off year. Shouldn't the team rightfully cut the NIL money? Last of all, is there a "contract length" (like the pro's) where the NIL goes for a set term, and then is renegotiated? If a player has a great NIL contract, would they care if they don't "produce"?

Re the "student-athlete thing", if a player is getting $1.5 m. in NIL, isn't it somewhat ridiculous that this person would have to go to classes and get passing grades? At $1.5 m. NIL, some players will make more than the head coach.

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Talia Goodman says Phoenix Stotijn to IU.

[Aaron 4,529]

Much bigger pickup then Spreen. Spreen is symbolically important being from state. However, ideally Spreen is a back up on a postseason team.

Stotijn on other hand can absolutely be a Big Ten level starter on a good team in the back court to go with Shay and Lenee. Also shows Moren is serious when she says she wants more athletic players as Stotijn def meets this criteria.

Now need to find that starting level big with missing on Merkle. Also, good to see Moren got two of the three known visitors to commit and hopefully means she is identifying the players she wants and mostly getting them to commit. 

Curious to see where team goes next.   

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13 hours ago, Claxdj01 said:

Confused at why coach would actually turn down recruiting money?

Its not so much turning it down as it was feeling like she didn't need it and saying she was OK as things were. It wasn't administration or Hoosiers Connect saying "here is NIL dollars" and Moren saying "no". 

It was more like her being told 'your program should raise more NIL dollars to get better players' and Moren saying "I have built a culture a culture that is bigger than NIL and not sure we need it". 

These may or may not have been exact words used but this is more or less how it went down. However, Yarden situation late in season was a wake up call to her and now she has asked Hoosiers Connect to fundraise more NIL dollars. They had enough for Yarden with lots in Jewish Community wanting to help specifically for her only. However, by this point she had made decision to move on for final year and turn down a very strong offer to chase a championship elsewhere. It is very possible she will get less money wherever she goes next compared to what IU offered.

It was because Yarden saw that team would be rebuilding she didn't want to be a part of a rebuild in last season. If Moren had acted earlier when warned mid-year and they had raised enough funds, they could have put together a high level team Yarden would have been a part of.

Top players are still out of IU's price range with such a late start. However, the next level players like Stotijn are obtainable and enough of those can at least get you fighting for postseason play.  

This whole situation has been a wakeup call for Moren as I have said but fundraising will take time. End of yr presser was her basically admitting she needs to change after Yarden situation went down and you could hear it with how she discussed things. 

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1 hour ago, TTT said:

Was it like here is a stack of money (a few million) T. M. Take it to buy some players.

T. Moren says:  Oh that’s nice.  No thank you we don’t need it and we will be fine.

side note:  It seems there are many winning programs that have a great family loving high level relationship close culture.

Clearly not. I explained above how it more or less went down and it was far from this. No coach would ever turn down dollars handed to them on silver platter.