Big Ten is going to invite Oregon and Washington to join the league

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2 hours ago, Rico said:

Of course Notre Dame joining the B1G would be good for the B1G.  Notre Dame joining the B1G would not be good for Notre Dam'e's record.  

I think that's legitimately up for debate. The only way to know that is if ND joins the conference. There is a history of every Big Ten opponent ND has faced and the only schools that have a winning record against them is OSU (4-2) and UM (19-17-1). PSU is 9-9-1 against the Irish. Looking at the USC history, ND holds the all time lead with 48-37-5. I think it's safe to say depending on the schedule with 20 teams in the conference ND could actually benefit. There could a be scenario where ND never plays OSU, UM, or PSU. 

An example schedule: USC, IU, UI, Maryland, Rutgers, Purdue, Northwestern, MSU, Minnesota

I'm assuming USC would be a protected opponent. 

ND's schedule this year is comparable to OSU's. They have 3 top 10 ranked opponents. 2 of the 3 are home games. Might actually be a little tougher when it's all said and done. It will all depend on how schools like IUFB and Duke do in their respective conferences.

 

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3 hours ago, Lebowski said:

I think that's legitimately up for debate. The only way to know that is if ND joins the conference. There is a history of every Big Ten opponent ND has faced and the only schools that have a winning record against them is OSU (4-2) and UM (19-17-1). PSU is 9-9-1 against the Irish. Looking at the USC history, ND holds the all time lead with 48-37-5. I think it's safe to say depending on the schedule with 20 teams in the conference ND could actually benefit. There could a be scenario where ND never plays OSU, UM, or PSU. 

An example schedule: USC, IU, UI, Maryland, Rutgers, Purdue, Northwestern, MSU, Minnesota

I'm assuming USC would be a protected opponent. 

ND's schedule this year is comparable to OSU's. They have 3 top 10 ranked opponents. 2 of the 3 are home games. Might actually be a little tougher when it's all said and done. It will all depend on how schools like IUFB and Duke do in their respective conferences.

 

You sound like a leprechaun.

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15 hours ago, Rico said:

You sound like a leprechaun.

Just pointing out that ND is actually comparable to the OSU's in the Big Ten and staying independent might not be the easiest path or best interest for them once this all plays out. 

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21 hours ago, Lebowski said:

Just pointing out that ND is actually comparable to the OSU's in the Big Ten and staying independent might not be the easiest path or best interest for them once this all plays out. 

You sound like a Notre Dame homer to me.  Nothing wrong with that.

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On 8/14/2023 at 11:12 AM, Lebowski said:

They've been able to participate in the CFP a couple of times, so personally I wouldn't mind if they'd join the B1G. They loss to the eventual champions and had a better showing then OSU against Bama in 2020-2021. In those two appearances they were undefeated 2018-2019, and won against #1 ranked Clemson during the regular season in the 2020-2021 season. Clemson got em in the ACC Championship. (2020 season ND played as a member of the ACC due to COVID)

So if ND is a fake elitists it's safe to say every conference other than the SEC are fake elitists as well. Because there's not a good track record for other conferences in the CFP, unfortunately. The last four championship games have been blowouts and SEC domination. 

This season, for sure, unless of course they turned things around during the off season. But that would not be the case year after year. 

Here's a prime example of what I've been saying: 
In the 2018 season ND finished 13-0 ranked #4 in the final CFP rankings. With the 12 team schedule they don't get a bye, they would have been a 5 seed and have hosted a game against Penn State who lost to UK in the Citrus Bowl. PSU lost to UM, OSU and MSU that year. While ND beat UM. OSU would leap frog to a 4 seed although being ranked 6. The more this plays out the more ND will re-evaluate staying independent. And if they decide to join a conference why not have them join ours?

I'm not trying to be a big advocate of ND here, so please understand that first and foremost. I'm just saying adding that football program to the Big Ten would improve the conference. And I think that's the overall goal of what the big wigs calling the shots are trying to accomplish because the SEC is king at this point. I don't agree with the current path but I also know I will still watch the product.

Some things to note: While looking up ND's history, I saw that IUFB would have qualified for the 12 team CFP in 2020-2021. They would have traveled to OU. I'm so looking forward to this expansion. 

I wasn’t clear in my original post, but the ‘fake elitists’ shot was more so geared toward the school itself/people/fans, not the football program. The ND people I’ve come across have been very snobby, ‘better than you’ vibes. Not a fan of them. I don’t disagree that ND would be good for the Big 10. I just don’t want them. 

I do think, though, that ND would be on the second tier of schools in the conference, below OSU and Michigan, and maybe Penn State.

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1 hour ago, Rico said:

You sound like a Notre Dame homer to me.  Nothing wrong with that.

Yeah, that's definitely not the case. Cream and Crimson through and through. But I've been to a few games up there in South Bend. I think everyone that's a fan of college football should experience at least one game there. I feel the same about catching a game in Green Bay at Lambeau field when it comes to the NFL. I'm not a fan of the Pack but respect the history etc. etc., if that makes sense. 

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3 minutes ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

I wasn’t clear in my original post, but the ‘fake elitists’ shot was more so geared toward the school itself/people/fans, not the football program. The ND people I’ve come across have been very snobby, ‘better than you’ vibes. Not a fan of them. I don’t disagree that ND would be good for the Big 10. I just don’t want them. 

I certainly understand your point of view. There's a certain swagger about them. I've been told the same from folks when it comes to IUBB. LOL! Thanks for clearing that up. Appreciate it. 

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53 minutes ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

 

I do think, though, that ND would be on the second tier of schools in the conference, below OSU and Michigan, and maybe Penn State.

I like your tier take.

I would say that Notre Dame would be on par with Penn St., Oregon and USC below tOSU and UM.

I would say the "3rd tier" would have Iowa, Wisconsin, Washington, and UCLA.

I see a lot of losses coming ND's way facing those schools if they were to join the B1G.

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1 hour ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

I do think, though, that ND would be on the second tier of schools in the conference, below OSU and Michigan, and maybe Penn State.

Certainly a high possibility for sure. It would be interesting to see ND added to that conference and see all these schools wage war against each on the gridiron. I'm getting excited even without ND! 

 

1 hour ago, Rico said:

I like your tier take.

I would say that Notre Dame would be on par with Penn St., Oregon and USC below tOSU and UM.

I would say the "3rd tier" would have Iowa, Wisconsin, Washington, and UCLA.

I see a lot of losses coming ND's way facing those schools if they were to join the B1G.

Personally, I see a lot more losses with OSU and UM now! Adding Oregon, Washington and USC to this conference will take a toll on them. Especially if they're on the road. I see a scenario where it's all gonna depend on schedule. Right now OSU and UM are top tier by default but don't be shocked to if they get knocked down a peg or two. 

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47 minutes ago, Lebowski said:

Certainly a high possibility for sure. It would be interesting to see ND added to that conference and see all these schools wage war against each on the gridiron. I'm getting excited even without ND! 

 

Personally, I see a lot more losses with OSU and UM now! Adding Oregon, Washington and USC to this conference will take a toll on them. Especially if they're on the road. I see a scenario where it's all gonna depend on schedule. Right now OSU and UM are top tier by default but don't be shocked to if they get knocked down a peg or two. 

Yeah, yeah, yeah.  FYI, Notre Dame got beat at home last year by MARSHALL and Stanford.

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1 minute ago, Rico said:

Yeah, yeah, yeah.  FYI, Notre Dame got beat at home last year by MARSHALL and Stanford.

Cool. Not sure I'm following you here. What's your point?

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39 minutes ago, Lebowski said:

Cool. Not sure I'm following you here. What's your point?

They would get ate up in the B1G.

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3 minutes ago, Rico said:

They would get ate up in the B1G.

Oh, ok. I wasn't even referring to them regarding the context in my post. Thanks for clearing that up. I thought we've already covered this but like I said multiple times here, that's up for debate and only can be answered if ND actually joins the conference. I think I've been able to establish that they have a pretty solid history that counters your narrative. Not that it matters.

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53 minutes ago, Lebowski said:

Oh, ok. I wasn't even referring to them regarding the context in my post. Thanks for clearing that up. I thought we've already covered this but like I said multiple times here, that's up for debate and only can be answered if ND actually joins the conference. I think I've been able to establish that they have a pretty solid history that counters your narrative. Not that it matters.

What narrative did I have other than the easiest path for the CFP for the Irish ain't the B1G?  They would be staring at 3-4 losses every year.

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19 hours ago, Rico said:

What narrative did I have other than the easiest path for the CFP for the Irish ain't the B1G?  They would be staring at 3-4 losses every year.

I must not be fully understanding you. "Getting ate up" to me, means IUFB type performance in the B1G. 

3-4 for losses every year is absolutely up for debate based on data and past performances, as I've been trying to point out to you. I must not be doing a good job at it. My apologies if that's the case. Bottom line, we'll never know unless ND actually joins the conference. So it doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things. 

Now that the conference is expanding, starting 2024, OSU and UM will be staring at the same predicament, but not every year. Because data suggest otherwise. Schools like USC, Oregon, and Washington are going to be in the same boat. Because data suggest it. What I predict is we'll start to see an ebb and flow of these schools and schedules will make a huge difference for their success. So I guess, it's safe to say, starting in 2024, every school will get ate up in the B1G? 

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Stanford's now in this phase of negotiations:

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1 hour ago, IUFootballEndlessMisery said:

Stanford's now in this phase of negotiations:

Offering to come to the ACC for zero money is a wild (desperate) move and also shows how much cash Stanford is working with. 

[AZ Hoosier 6,657]

Looks like ordering the tombstone for the Pac-12 may have been a bit premature...

Rice, Tulane, SMU and USF may leave the AAC (American Athletic Conference) for the Pac-12... Memphis may also be "in play".


https://www.sportskeeda.com/college-football/4-aac-schools-join-pac-12-expansion-amid-rumors-possible-merger-george-kliavkoff-s-shattered-powerhouse

[Demo 19,695]

https://www.sportingnews.com/us/ncaa-football/news/acc-expansion-stanford-cal-smu-really-would-add-nothing/tjt4vceowjocnzdqy66kzpqq
 

God, this is brutal. 

[AKHoosier 6,759]

7 hours ago, Demo said:

https://www.sportingnews.com/us/ncaa-football/news/acc-expansion-stanford-cal-smu-really-would-add-nothing/tjt4vceowjocnzdqy66kzpqq
 

God, this is brutal. 

Ouch, I legit thought this was a joke when someone on another site posted this rumor. 

Stanford averaged roughly 3,500 fans for bball games last year. Cal only averaged 2,100. They make Penn State look like Cameron Indoor.