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[Uspshoosier 45,880]

8 minutes ago, Rico said:

Now you messed up my barbing with Scotty!  

My bad I take it all back lol  continue 

[IU_FanClub 1,680]

In general when looking for a coach, tournament runs should not be a main consideration. Total wins, conference finishes, tournament seeds and consistency getting there is much more important in my opinion.

 

[Kentuckysucks 2,265]

18 minutes ago, IU_FanClub said:

In general when looking for a coach, tournament runs should not be a main consideration. Total wins, conference finishes, tournament seeds and consistency getting there is much more important in my opinion.

 

 

[Hornsby 2,021]

Woodson ain't going to be around for 15 years.  That the beauty of the hire.  Get and experienced coach, former player loved by most, and set a foundation.  Once the foundation is set -- he retires having "righted the ship" and find the guy who is going to take you to the promised land.  

It's set he could leave after this season but my guess is he will stay another three or four regardless of results. That's still seven years. If it was really about a foundation he would stay four max and no more.

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[IU_FanClub 1,680]

4 minutes ago, Kentuckysucks said:

 

Obviously tournament runs matter, but it is a single elimination tournament hiring someone based purely off making one or two runs leaves you open to the Archie's of the world.

[Hornsby 2,021]

In general when looking for a coach, tournament runs should not be a main consideration. Total wins, conference finishes, tournament seeds and consistency getting there is much more important in my opinion.

 

Yep look at archie the elite 8 run gave him all his milage and he is an awful coach.

 

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[J34 1,484]

2 hours ago, Chris007 said:

I was just being sarcastic that people around here say Woodson is too old but let's hire Pearl who is two years younger. The goalpost always changes. We need a coach who can get us to the tournament every year. Now we need a coach who wins neutral games in the nonconference season and goes to a sweet 16. It's all exhausting and I might be even dumber for posting in this thread. 

Even opening this thread is like the twilight zone. So many great AD'S and coaches in here.

[coonhounds 9,028]

I guess this isn't a rant but a question and maybe it's been answered on here already.
Woodson was brought in to get the program back to where it needs to be in their words. How long do you stick with him? Does he have a shorter leash so he don't have enough time to undo any positives that he has done? When does his age negatively impact recruiting? I believe coaching wise Woodson is underachieving imo. All that means is if you gave a hall of fame coach our roster last 3 years I feel he gets more out of them. Mostly development and in game coaching just my opinion. Thoughts?

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[Chris007 44,115]

4 minutes ago, coonhounds said:

I guess this isn't a rant but a question and maybe it's been answered on here already.
Woodson was brought in to get the program back to where it needs to be in their words. How long do you stick with him? Does he have a shorter leash so he don't have enough time to undo any positives that he has done? When does his age negatively impact recruiting? I believe coaching wise Woodson is underachieving imo. All that means is if you gave a hall of fame coach our roster last 3 years I feel he gets more out of them. Mostly development and in game coaching just my opinion. Thoughts?

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His contract goes till 27. I wouldn't extend him, and tell him he has bridged the program from the old to the new. But we'll see what happens

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13 minutes ago, coonhounds said:

I guess this isn't a rant but a question and maybe it's been answered on here already.
Woodson was brought in to get the program back to where it needs to be in their words. How long do you stick with him? Does he have a shorter leash so he don't have enough time to undo any positives that he has done? When does his age negatively impact recruiting? I believe coaching wise Woodson is underachieving imo. All that means is if you gave a hall of fame coach our roster last 3 years I feel he gets more out of them. Mostly development and in game coaching just my opinion. Thoughts?

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This is part of the reason I had mentioned that him getting fired would be really bad for the program. All things considered so far Woody has stabilized things but obviously there is way more work to be done. Him getting fired would mean that positive progress and stability has likely been undone. I think the best case scenario for the Woodson era is that he continues to make tournaments and finish with solid records and then retires gracefully. This program desperately needs it's next coaching search to be from a position of strength and not a position of "please come fix this mess".

[Golfman25 5,480]

1 hour ago, Hornsby said:

Yep look at archie the elite 8 run gave him all his milage and he is an awful coach.

 

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Why are you insulting awful coaches?  :)  

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17 minutes ago, J34 said:

Even opening this thread is like the twilight zone. So many great AD'S and coaches in here.

Darn right.  And we all slept at the Holiday Inn last night.  :) 

[Hornsby 2,021]

I guess this isn't a rant but a question and maybe it's been answered on here already.

Woodson was brought in to get the program back to where it needs to be in their words. How long do you stick with him? Does he have a shorter leash so he don't have enough time to undo any positives that he has done? When does his age negatively impact recruiting? I believe coaching wise Woodson is underachieving imo. All that means is if you gave a hall of fame coach our roster last 3 years I feel he gets more out of them. Mostly development and in game coaching just my opinion. Thoughts?

 

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I think 4 years is plenty what if it starts going south after that? You need to get the coach while we are still making the tourney. Last thing we need is another rebuild again. 2027 is too long imo is he is really just a bridge coach

 

 

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6 minutes ago, Hornsby said:

I think 4 years is plenty what if it starts going south after that? You need to get the coach while we are still making the tourney. Last thing we need is another rebuild again. 2027 is too long imo is he is really just a bridge coach

 

 

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So you think fire him next year even if we make the tournament both years?

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I think 4 years is plenty what if it starts going south after that? You need to get the coach while we are still making the tourney. Last thing we need is another rebuild again. 2027 is too long imo is he is really just a bridge coach 
 
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Thanks that's what I am thinking. Problem is this season is very much in question of going south. We need several things to go right and not much room for bad from here on out. We also as most programs have huge question marks on next year's team. We likely lose ware and mm. We could miss the tournament this season and then be way worse next year. I also see a path to being way better next season but again will need alot of things to go our way

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All the hand-wringing and worrying about next year when it's only December is exactly why I wanted to see us sign a stronger class in the fall. But I was told it wasn't necessary because spring signings and the portal would take care of it. 

[Adillac 953]

I think you push him out the door if after the next 2 seasons (not counting this one), he doesn't make it to an Elite 8 and contend for a B1G title. I would think (and hope) that a 67-68y Mike Woodson having finished a completely mediocre 5-6y tenure at his beloved alma mater wouldn't play hardball or make demands but would graciously exit stage left with a small buyout and the gratitude of the university and (some) fans for stabilizing the program. 

[Golfman25 5,480]

1 minute ago, Hornsby said:

I think 4 years is plenty what if it starts going south after that? You need to get the coach while we are still making the tourney. Last thing we need is another rebuild again.

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I would want to see a decent foundation set within the first four years.  I think we have that in terms of "sending kids to the next level," especially if Ware goes this year or next.  The big hole that I see is the pipeline of HS recruits.  IMO, need to be bringing in 3-4 kids per year, and filling holes with the portal (rather than the other way around).  Year 1: 2 (Duncumb/Bates).   Year 2: 4 (JHS/Renue/Banks/Gunn)  Year 3:  2 (Cupps/Newton)  Year 4:  1 or TBD.  Kind of need a splash this spring if possible and then get a better pipeline going forward.  

[Golfman25 5,480]

3 minutes ago, Adillac said:

I think you push him out the door if after the next 2 seasons (not counting this one), he doesn't make it to an Elite 8 and contend for a B1G title. I would think (and hope) that a 67-68y Mike Woodson having finished a completely mediocre 5-6y tenure at his beloved alma mater wouldn't play hardball or make demands but would graciously exit stage left with a small buyout and the gratitude of the university and (some) fans for stabilizing the program. 

I don't even think you have to have that.  I assume Woody is a reasonable guy and he knows he no spring chicken.  Really it's a matter of keeping the lines of communication open each year (and during the season) on what is going well, what needs work, and the best way to transition to the next guy.  I am sure he doesn't want see IU go south because he wants to hang on to the gig.  

[Hornsby 2,021]

So you think fire him next year even if we make the tournament both years?

Never said fire him he steps away which to me is what a filler coach would do after three or four years. If he is a bridge to me that means short term not 7 or 8 years. Unless he is not intended be a termorary filler coach?

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