IU Basketball News and Notes

[Pagoda]

We are in the classic summer IUBB hype cycle.

I’m curious if Burton is just very good… or is bad defense part of it?

On the football side, we usually hear how the offense struggles against the D in spring and fall camp.  Different sport, just an observation.

Of course we won’t know until the season starts… I just wonder what the defense looks like in these scrimmages.

[Stuhoo]

13 minutes ago, Pagoda said:

We are in the classic summer IUBB hype cycle.

I’m curious if Burton is just very good… or is bad defense part of it?

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On the football side, we usually hear how the offense struggles against the D in spring and fall camp.  Different sport, just an observation.

Of course we won’t know until the season starts… I just wonder what the defense looks like in these scrimmages.

 

The primary value of summer hype cycle info is hearing which players are consistently mentioned as thriving in relation to their teammates.

The ones that I have heard consistently mentioned as thriving relative to expectations?

• Sisley
• Prince Moody
• Darren Harris
• Also a consistent theme that Burton, Samet, and Sherrell are our three best players and penciled in to start and max out on court time.
• Finally, Devries all but admitted that
  • He knows little about Sokolov, including how to pronounce his last name
  • Sokolov is penciled in as the third true big

 

[Home Jersey]

19 minutes ago, Pagoda said:

We are in the classic summer IUBB hype cycle.

I’m curious if Burton is just very good… or is bad defense part of it?

On the football side, we usually hear how the offense struggles against the D in spring and fall camp.  Different sport, just an observation.

Of course we won’t know until the season starts… I just wonder what the defense looks like in these scrimmages.

Yeah, Burton is being paid like one of our two best players, so he should be able to get what he wants against guys like Lindsay and Harris in practice.

IUBB writers are like astrology columnists in your local paper for me at this point. Nothing but vibes. Which I guess is what they're there for anyways. Just not putting any stock in reports of the team looking good in July or not. I'll wait and see how they look at the start of the season and in January. 

[Hovadipo]

3 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

• He knows little about Sokolov, including how to pronounce his last name
  • Kinda odd, but hey we can make it work I guess.
• Sokolov is penciled in as the third true big
  • F*** me to tears.

 

[Stuhoo]

5 minutes ago, Hovadipo said:

 

For the love of god, the kid's first name is "Clemens."

I feel like that's a Woody-level successful pronunciation challenge.

[str8baller]

3 hours ago, Pagoda said:

We are in the classic summer IUBB hype cycle.

I’m curious if Burton is just very good… or is bad defense part of it?

I’m surprised people still get sucked in, but they do. 
 

I’ll say this about Burton: 1) I don’t think his defense is bad per se, but he’s played on bad/soft ND teams so who knows. He *shouldn’t* be bad in a scheme with two 7 footers behind him. He and Sherrell are our two most talented players and have legit question marks surrounding them. For me, for Burton it is if he can be more than a jitterbug bucket-getter and settle into a facilitator role both with dishes to the bigs and kickouts to shooters.  
 

What I have learned over the years is pre-season (and often in season) criticism isn’t received well on message boards.  If I wanted to pick apart these summer basketball reports you usually look for the dog that isn’t barking and I’d start with:  

Mustaf - his fit was already a little suspect and it’s probably not great he isn’t standing out more in these practices give the athleticism he displayed on film

 Harris - Maybe he’s a diamond in the rough or maybe its not great sign for our overall talent level that Dukes 9/10th man has stood out as our 4/5th best player

 

Sisley - I want to believe, but a 4* guy poised for a breakout season should probably be putting it on everybody not named Sherrell in some scrimmages. Instead it sounds like progress is a little slower and he’s a slightly improved version of last years end of the rotation player.   
 

Happy now? ….lol

 

I do think that if Burton and Sherrell are their best versions of projected (and Yigi is solid) we’ll be able to compete up and down the B1G even given the above, especially with May gone. 

[Stuhoo]

2 minutes ago, str8baller said:

I’m surprised people still get sucked in, but they do. 
 

I’ll say this about Burton: 1) I don’t think his defense is bad per se, but he’s played on bad/soft ND teams so who knows. He *shouldn’t* be bad in a scheme with two 7 footers behind him. He and Sherrell are our two most talented players and have legit question marks surrounding them. For me, for Burton it is if he can be more than a jitterbug bucket-getter and settle into a facilitator role both with dishes to the bigs and kickouts to shooters.  
 

What I have learned over the years is pre-season (and often in season) criticism isn’t received well on message boards.  If I wanted to pick apart these summer basketball reports you usually look for the dog that isn’t barking and I’d start with:  

Mustaf - his fit was already a little suspect and it’s probably not great he isn’t standing out more in these practices give the athleticism he displayed on film

 Harris - Maybe he’s a diamond in the rough or maybe its not great sign for our overall talent level that Dukes 9/10th man has stood out as our 4/5th best player

 

Sisley - I want to believe, but a 4* guy poised for a breakout season should probably be putting it on everybody not named Sherrell in some scrimmages. Instead it sounds like progress is a little slower and he’s a slightly improved version of last years end of the rotation player.   
 

Happy now? ….lol

 

I do think that if Burton and Sherrell are their best versions of projected (and Yigi is solid) we’ll be able to compete up and down the B1G even given the above, especially with May gone. 

So we could get to 12-8 or 11-9 in conference 8 seed bball team while having a top ten, national champion - major contender football team?

100% signing up for that deal.

[IUHoosierJoe]

5 hours ago, Pagoda said:

We are in the classic summer IUBB hype cycle.

I’m curious if Burton is just very good… or is bad defense part of it?

On the football side, we usually hear how the offense struggles against the D in spring and fall camp.  Different sport, just an observation.

Of course we won’t know until the season starts… I just wonder what the defense looks like in these scrimmages.

In football, the 1’s practice against the 1’s. Obviously, you can’t do that in basketball practice. 

[WayneFleekHoosier]

9 hours ago, Stuhoo said:

For the love of god, the kid's first name is "Clemens."

I feel like that's a Woody-level successful pronunciation challenge.

Some of this type stuff is what tells me DeVries is a vibes type coach.  The way he talks and explains basketball. He’s completely Anti-Cignetti.
He got blindsided by things that I and many others saw coming last season.   Similarly punting roster spots 11-13 this year and hoping the freshman can step up.  Some coaches you trust to know.  DeVries is certainly not that for me.  Hopefully that can change over the next 2 years.   

[str8baller]

17 hours ago, Stuhoo said:

So we could get to 12-8 or 11-9 in conference 8 seed bball team while having a top ten, national champion - major contender football team?

100% signing up for that deal.

The difference there and problem for Devries is we are spending similarly, relative to each sport and our peers, in football and basketball. I.e were a top 10-20 spend in both. 
 

I think 8 seed is kind of my floor of expectations for this IU squad. I’m not sure I see any personnel limitations to that kind of season. 

[str8baller]

12 hours ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

Some of this type stuff is what tells me DeVries is a vibes type coach.

That’s the second quote from devries I’ve read that is kind of a passive aggressive quip about not knowing anything about Sokolov.  It seems he’s not a huge fan of the signing. 
 

Otoh, I’ve been told it’s conspiracy theory thinking if you suggest that Carr is anything but a direct report to Devries, so obviously Devries signed Sokolov without knowing anything about him.  He must’ve done like I do with Amazon and occasionally order stuff drunk and then get surprised when it shows up 2 days later.