IUBB @ Michigan State - 02/12/22 @ 3:30 on Fox-TV

[Golfman25 6,849]

8 hours ago, brumdog45 said:

Got it.  Wins and losses only count if they fit your narrative.

But since you brought it up: Pom has tracked the difference in points relative to competition of teams playing at home compared to the road.  All Big Ten teams since it has been tracked have been between +3.3 to +4.0 points at home.  IU is at +3.5.  Places that are toughest to win at in the Big Ten are due to teams being good to begin with.  In Big Ten play, Archie Miller's teams were 16-14 AT HOME. 

Big Ten teams that Miller lost home games to during his tenure:

Nebraska

Michigan (x2)

Iowa

Ohio State

Purdue (x3)

Maryland

Wisconsin

Northwestern

Rutgers

Illinois

Michigan State

That's 11 of the 13 teams.  The only teams he didn't lose to at Assembly were Minnesota and Penn State.  He was 2-0 against each of them with a largest margin of victory of 8 points.

Oh yeah.  Remind me how he did against Indiana State and Fort Wayne.  :) 

[Golfman25 6,849]

7 hours ago, HoosierAloha said:

Let's talk about TJD for a minute. Why did he choose to stay? His dad and him had a discussion and bought in. There was this grand plan for him to develop. He was finally going to get that jumper and use his right hand. We're now 3/4 into the season, where is that jumper and right hand? TJD bought in and .... where is that development, where is the evidence? This is not to say he hasn't changed as a player, he has. He has done some tremendous things this season.

We hear it every off-season, player x is going to develop skill y. Player y is going to be so much better because z. The season rolls around we might see a little improvement. Why is that? Who was the last player or handful of players that drastically improved in the off-season. We've been a culture of hype and talk with little to back it up.

We've had Big 1.o finishes that don't align to the 'talent' that makes up the team. There can be a myriad reasons for that which include players and coaches. We need an identity and culture. Your first year as a coach is the perfect time to establish that. This program needs to shut it with the talk and prove it with action.

I stated early on what I was looking for and have continued, to the dismay of many, what I wanted to see throughout the season. The team has improved in some areas and largely stayed the same or gotten worse in several. The suspensions and last few games are concerning.

That's great, welcome to BTB, happy to have you. Maybe the players and parents (current and future) will pick up a few things and implement it. Here is one from me, I love me some Gallo and Race. Why? They mostly play hard and leave it on the court. Neither would be considered the most talented players on the court. Look at the end of the NW game, Gallo made some dumb mistakes but he gave it what he had. I appreciate that. That should be the baseline for this team. Imagine if every player on the roster put that on the court. That's where we should be starting at in year one. Optional e and e should have been sitting on the bench when we were going through our cupcakes.

Development is on the player too.  Race is the guy who has developed.  Woody talks about allowing him to do things "he wasn't allowed" to do before.  He brings the ball up the court at times.  He's not afraid to shoot the three (for better or worse) -- and it's clear he's working at it.  I for one hope he sticks around.  

[coonhounds 10,559]

Development is on the player too.  Race is the guy who has developed.  Woody talks about allowing him to do things "he wasn't allowed" to do before.  He brings the ball up the court at times.  He's not afraid to shoot the three (for better or worse) -- and it's clear he's working at it.  I for one hope he sticks around.  

I for 2 hope race sticks around. In fact I would be shocked if anyone on here wants race to leave after this season and if someone does please explain why

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[Golfman25 6,849]

2 minutes ago, coonhounds said:

I for 2 hope race sticks around. In fact I would be shocked if anyone on here wants race to leave after this season and if someone does please explain why

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He's eligible for social security?  :)  

[IU - Kaulie 2,101]

10 minutes ago, Golfman25 said:

Development is on the player too.  Race is the guy who has developed.  Woody talks about allowing him to do things "he wasn't allowed" to do before.  He brings the ball up the court at times.  He's not afraid to shoot the three (for better or worse) -- and it's clear he's working at it.  I for one hope he sticks around.  

 

6 minutes ago, coonhounds said:

I for 2 hope race sticks around. In fact I would be shocked if anyone on here wants race to leave after this season and if someone does please explain why

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I would love to have Race back next year.  His running mate not so much.

[coonhounds 10,559]

He's eligible for social security?  :)  

Yes but from a basketball standpoint I think evey iu fan hopes he stays. Race will do what he feels is best and he should but we should all hope he stays cause he makes iu better

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[HoosierAloha 30,102]

1 hour ago, Golfman25 said:

Development is on the player too.  Race is the guy who has developed.  Woody talks about allowing him to do things "he wasn't allowed" to do before.  He brings the ball up the court at times.  He's not afraid to shoot the three (for better or worse) -- and it's clear he's working at it.  I for one hope he sticks around.  

Absolutely, development isn't just the physical skills of the game too. There is a difference between bringing the ball up the court (awesome, just about everyone on the team can do it) and getting out on the break. Earlier in the season the team, and Race, did the latter more often. We need to get back to that because this offense can use all the easy buckets we can get. I wish Race would rebound and look to push it. Yeah, he hasn't been hitting at a great clip. I would love for all the players to stick around if they're going to add to the culture and work. I don't think we have any players that are bad people just maybe need a little guidance.

[Southside 1,914]

10 hours ago, IUFAN1976 said:

You are going to ruffle a lot of feathers with that comment, but I do agree!

Just keeping it fo realz

[MoyeNeeded 3,075]

Sick of hearing 'arm bar'!

[hoosierdogg 3,333]

So tired of being punked by Wisconsin.  Need to stomp them back all the way to the 1970's!

[HoosierAloha 30,102]

On 2/15/2022 at 10:59 AM, brumdog45 said:

Got it.  Wins and losses only count if they fit your narrative.

But since you brought it up: Pom has tracked the difference in points relative to competition of teams playing at home compared to the road.  All Big Ten teams since it has been tracked have been between +3.3 to +4.0 points at home.  IU is at +3.5.  Places that are toughest to win at in the Big Ten are due to teams being good to begin with.  In Big Ten play, Archie Miller's teams were 16-14 AT HOME. 

Big Ten teams that Miller lost home games to during his tenure:

Nebraska

Michigan (x2)

Iowa

Ohio State

Purdue (x3)

Maryland

Wisconsin

Northwestern

Rutgers

Illinois

Michigan State

That's 11 of the 13 teams.  The only teams he didn't lose to at Assembly were Minnesota and Penn State.  He was 2-0 against each of them with a largest margin of victory of 8 points.

 

On 2/15/2022 at 11:53 AM, HoosierAloha said:

Goodness we struggle mightily with some fairly basic concepts.

Flip the teams and where are we? Does Arch and Co. find a few more wins against a much more cupcakey noncon schedule and possibly conference schedule (still haven't dug into this)? Does Woody and Co. stumble a few more times against better competition on the road and away from Assembly Hall (the evidence, if you look at it, points to somewhere you might not like so I don't blame you for ignoring it although all those teams were in Pom top 300 so they're basically the same team).

Fantastic, there is a reason he was fired and that is part of it. Woody has matched him with the loss to Illinois and 1/2 way to the Michigan loss total in his first season.

Hopefully, we don't cross off Maryland and Rutger this season. Although, Rutger is absolutely rolling and playing how we described ourselves a few weeks ago. If they keep playing like they have been we'll have to hope to knock someone off in the BTT.

[IUFAN1976 4,320]

8 hours ago, HoosierAloha said:

 

Hopefully, we don't cross off Maryland and Rutger this season. Although, Rutger is absolutely rolling and playing how we described ourselves a few weeks ago. If they keep playing like they have been we'll have to hope to knock someone off in the BTT.

Of the 5 games left, we have win 3 and 3 of them are on the road and we all know we play on the road. The 3 winnable games IMO are: Maryland, Minnesota and Rutgers.  That makes Rutgers a must win in my book, a very tall task because of how they are play compared to how we are playing.

[RaceToTheTop 31,587]

5 minutes ago, IUFAN1976 said:

Of the 5 games left, we have win 3 and 3 of them are on the road and we all know we play on the road. The 3 winnable games IMO are: Maryland, Minnesota and Rutgers.  That makes Rutgers a must win in my book, a very tall task because of how they are play compared to how we are playing.

Still some time between then and now.

[HoosierAloha 30,102]

17 minutes ago, IUFAN1976 said:

Of the 5 games left, we have win 3 and 3 of them are on the road and we all know we play on the road. The 3 winnable games IMO are: Maryland, Minnesota and Rutgers.  That makes Rutgers a must win in my book, a very tall task because of how they are play compared to how we are playing.

Right, which might mean we'll have to take down Maryland at home and Minny on the road. It's always difficult to win on the road in the Big 1.o, especially for us. We would probably need to knock off a like minded foe in the BTT to sneak into the dance.

[IUFAN1976 4,320]

1 hour ago, brumdog45 said:

Still some time between then and now.

That’s the only thing we have going for us

[IUFAN1976 4,320]

1 hour ago, HoosierAloha said:

Right, which might mean we'll have to take down Maryland at home and Minny on the road. It's always difficult to win on the road in the Big 1.o, especially for us. We would probably need to knock off a like minded foe in the BTT to sneak into the dance.

It would or could ease the pressure a little if we could miraculously win at OSU Saturday