IUBB @ Northwestern - 02/08/22 @ 9:00 ET on BTN

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3 hours ago, HoosierAloha said:

That has been my point going back for forever. We hear talk - TJD staying because he was going to actually be developed, this player or that player is just the piece we need (coming from actual IU fans), this time we'll learn, this is what we needed to happen, etc. That's what it is, talk. Maybe it's needed for the players to get hyped about actually doing something but we fall back into those same patterns. When we are a serious program again it will be the baseline standard (playing with e and listening to the coach) not something that needs to be discussed every 2.5 games to remind ourselves to do. That is the point.

I answered your questions so please answer mine. Are Nebraska and Minnesota good basketball teams this season?

Nebraska is definitely not good.  Minnesota Is 100ish.  

Let me ask you:  are Purdue and Ohio State good teams?  Oh, wait.....those don't count because "Ohio State wan't the same" and "we had a player play well against Purdue".

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16 minutes ago, Hovadipo said:

A one game bench embarrassment for breaking basically the one road game rule everyone knows not break? Yeah, not worried about anything in this post in the slightest. 

I just hope it was a real violation, like they went out to a strip club and blew off the curfew.  As opposed to a late night taco run, where their Uber driver was a NW fan and got "lost."  :)  

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I just hope Woodson is not seen as Mr. Discipline and players stop wanting to play for him. I am not against players following the rules and the punishments necessarily.
I just worry Woodson could develop a reputation as a coach who is no fun to play for which could hurt recruiting. I guarantee you similar stuff is overlooked at other schools, and if Woodson starts becoming like Knight when it comes to keeping college students in line this will not fly in this era. I support a lot of what Knight did and I hope Woodson employs a lot of it. He just needs to remember he is in a day and age where punishing for this kind of stuff like Knight would is not always looked fondly upon by parents and players. One of the reasons Knight fell off at end is because he was seen as to tough and don't want that to happen to Woodson. 
There is a tricky line to toe here and something I think Woodson is figuring out and time will tell if players or coach crossed the line with these suspensions.    

He won't if kids follow the rules

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1 hour ago, brumdog45 said:

Nebraska is definitely not good.  Minnesota Is 100ish.  

Let me ask you:  are Purdue and Ohio State good teams?  Oh, wait.....those don't count because "Ohio State wan't the same" and "we had a player play well against Purdue".

Here the question regarding Purdue and Ohio State relative to how we feel about our team in reality. What percentage chance do you feel we have to win AT Ohio State and AT Purdue.  That will tell you how you really feel about our team.  
 

We were drummed at home by Michigan who is similar to Ohio State and drummed by Illinois who is slightly worse but similar to Purdue.  
 

Wheres the consistency if we are truly a good team?  
 

@ Purdue I say less than %10.

@ OSU I say less than % 25.  
 

That Purdue win was great, without question.  They are incredible.  But it was home and we barely won.  So if they drum us by 20 at Mackey what does that say?

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2 hours ago, Alford Bailey said:

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Link?  Just want to see what Woodson said.

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17 minutes ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

Here the question regarding Purdue and Ohio State relative to how we feel about our team in reality. What percentage chance do you feel we have to win AT Ohio State and AT Purdue.  That will tell you how you really feel about our team.  
 

We were drummed at home by Michigan who is similar to Ohio State and drummed by Illinois who is slightly worse but similar to Purdue.  
 

Wheres the consistency if we are truly a good team?  
 

@ Purdue I say less than %10.

@ OSU I say less than % 25.  
 

That Purdue win was great, without question.  They are incredible.  But it was home and we barely won.  So if they drum us by 20 at Mackey what does that say?

at Ohio State 32%, at Purdue 15% according to Pom.  Tarvik says 39% and 18%.  And I've never said we were 'truly a good team'.   That's subjective anyway.  No one has argued that Purdue is really, really good.  

If we are going to play the game of looking at similar teams, hey, we beat Minnesota by 13 and they beat Michigan at Michigan by 10.  So we should blow them out there, right?  And Ohio State is better than Michigan, and we beat them earlier without any problem, so we should destroy Michigan in Assembly Hall.  But you can't transfer results from game to game, even with teams that are more consistent than we are.  Purdue's losses in conference are to IU, Rutgers, and at home to Wisconsin.  Those aren't the three toughest games they've played by far, but those three teams did something that Illinois couldn't do in two opportunities.  We are a middle of the pack Big Ten team.  I'd say there are three tiers in the Big Ten this year.  We beat two in the upper tier and lost two to the lower.  That's what'd you expect from a middle tier.

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27 minutes ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

Here the question regarding Purdue and Ohio State relative to how we feel about our team in reality. What percentage chance do you feel we have to win AT Ohio State and AT Purdue.  That will tell you how you really feel about our team.  
 

 

For you:  what would you feel about IU's chances at home against our two worst road losses, Penn State and Northwestern?  We know what happened when IU played Penn State at home and I'm pretty damn comfortable playing Northwestern at IU, especially with a full squad.  If your point was that Purdue and Ohio State were 'fluky' wins for IU, then you'd have to conclude that Penn State and Northwestern were fluky losses.  I don't........each game is its own game.  The way we played we deserved to beat both Ohio State and Purdue and deserved to lose to Penn State and Northwestern.

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39 minutes ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

Here the question regarding Purdue and Ohio State relative to how we feel about our team in reality. What percentage chance do you feel we have to win AT Ohio State and AT Purdue.  That will tell you how you really feel about our team.  
 

We were drummed at home by Michigan who is similar to Ohio State and drummed by Illinois who is slightly worse but similar to Purdue.  
 

Wheres the consistency if we are truly a good team?  
 

@ Purdue I say less than %10.

@ OSU I say less than % 25.  
 

That Purdue win was great, without question.  They are incredible.  But it was home and we barely won.  So if they drum us by 20 at Mackey what does that say?

It says Purdue is really good.    1 seed good.    7-10 seeded quality teams playing on the road at a potential 1 seed is probably not going to work out for 7-10 seeded team.    Anything can happen in college basketball though.   If you are waiting until IU wins a road game at that quality of team before you acknowledge IU to be a good or ok team then you might be waiting a while this year.    

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1 hour ago, Golfman25 said:

I just hope it was a real violation, like they went out to a strip club and blew off the curfew.  As opposed to a late night taco run, where their Uber driver was a NW fan and got "lost."  :)  

Reminds me of the time when someone from Ohio complained about there being a ton of strip clubs but no comedy clubs and I told him "In Ohio, the strip clubs are comedy clubs."

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33 minutes ago, brumdog45 said:

Link?  Just want to see what Woodson said.

By his comments, and yes I reading a lot into it, but I don’t think X and Stew won’t start, and he’ll determine how much, if any playing time they’ll get.

https://www.insidethehall.com/2022/02/10/indianas-five-suspended-players-will-return-for-saturdays-game-at-michigan-state/

 

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2 minutes ago, IUFAN1976 said:

By his comments, and yes I reading a lot into it, but I don’t think X and Stew won’t start, and he’ll determine how much, if any playing time they’ll get.

https://www.insidethehall.com/2022/02/10/indianas-five-suspended-players-will-return-for-saturdays-game-at-michigan-state/

 

Thanks for the link.  Guess I'll resim the PC Stellar games, LOL.  Start the same five as last time but let the game determine how much each guy gets off the bench.

Would say that the guys that were borderline rotation guys should be the most concerned about PT......can't see Durr playing when he was getting a lot of DNP--CD before.  Would think that we may see X getting the majority of point guard minutes but Galloway backing him up at that spot.

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29 minutes ago, IUFAN1976 said:

By his comments, and yes I reading a lot into it, but I don’t think X and Stew won’t start, and he’ll determine how much, if any playing time they’ll get.

https://www.insidethehall.com/2022/02/10/indianas-five-suspended-players-will-return-for-saturdays-game-at-michigan-state/

 

Not trying to be a smart aleck -- OK, maybe a little bit -- but you say you don't think X and Stew won't start.

Does that mean you think they will start? 

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3 hours ago, brumdog45 said:

Nebraska is definitely not good.  Minnesota Is 100ish.  

Let me ask you:  are Purdue and Ohio State good teams?  Oh, wait.....those don't count because "Ohio State wan't the same" and "we had a player play well against Purdue".

They're in the cellar of the Big 1.o... despite you wanting them to be better, they're just not good. They're quad 3, maybe quad 4 wins?

We won those games, I acknowledged those games. Yay!! Two quad 1 wins we needed badly.

During that incredible "streak" after setting the tone with the player meeting we beat a good team, beat a cellar dweller, laid turds all over the court, beat THE cellar dweller, and beat one of the teams tied for the top of the Big 1.o. That amazing "streak" lasted all of 2.5 games before we forgot that we had to play with e and listen to the coach. That seems about right for this team.

 

Figure 1 - showing the current standings of those two amazing wins against the cellar dwellers during our focused "streak"

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It says Purdue is really good.    1 seed good.    7-10 seeded quality teams playing on the road at a potential 1 seed is probably not going to work out for 7-10 seeded team.    Anything can happen in college basketball though.   If you are waiting until IU wins a road game at that quality of team before you acknowledge IU to be a good or ok team then you might be waiting a while this year.    

Says my eye test doesn’t lie. Purdue is proving it with Ws and Ls what we’ve been watching since the beginning of the season. Indiana is doing the same thing. I’ve been saying it since 5 games in or less. It’s frustrating to watch Indiana turn into exactly what you expected them to turn into. One of these years they might exceed my expectations. And yes, winning quality road games is probably the best marker to PROVE your worth in college basketball. Good teams are expected to win at home. The Maryland win felt good but they were just beginning their tank train. And they stink. And no, I don’t expect IU to win on the road vs Purdue this year. Keeping it respectable would be nice. But winning at OSU should be possible especially if we were a “good” team. Penn State, NW, Syracuse, etc………..


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1 hour ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

Here the question regarding Purdue and Ohio State relative to how we feel about our team in reality. What percentage chance do you feel we have to win AT Ohio State and AT Purdue.  That will tell you how you really feel about our team.  
 

We were drummed at home by Michigan who is similar to Ohio State and drummed by Illinois who is slightly worse but similar to Purdue.  
 

Wheres the consistency if we are truly a good team?  
 

@ Purdue I say less than %10.

@ OSU I say less than % 25.  
 

That Purdue win was great, without question.  They are incredible.  But it was home and we barely won.  So if they drum us by 20 at Mackey what does that say?

I don't think anyone really believes we're a good team. The problem arises when it's actually posted. Most are thinking it, most see the reasons we won those games but don't want to admit it. That's the difference between the spectrum on this board.

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33 minutes ago, LamarCheeks said:

Not trying to be a smart aleck -- OK, maybe a little bit -- but you say you don't think X and Stew won't start.

Does that mean you think they will start? 

Double negatives work well in other languages. Among other things, I wish double negatives were grammatically correct in English.

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3 minutes ago, HoosierAloha said:

I don't think anyone really believes we're a good team. The problem arises when it's actually posted. Most are thinking it, most see the reasons we won those games but don't want to admit it. That's the difference between the spectrum on this board.

Depends on each persons definition of good team.   Maybe some define it as a tourney team while others don’t.   IU won the games because on the night they played the game they played better then the teams they played against.  

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2 hours ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

Here the question regarding Purdue and Ohio State relative to how we feel about our team in reality. What percentage chance do you feel we have to win AT Ohio State and AT Purdue.  That will tell you how you really feel about our team.  
 

We were drummed at home by Michigan who is similar to Ohio State and drummed by Illinois who is slightly worse but similar to Purdue.  
 

Wheres the consistency if we are truly a good team?  
 

@ Purdue I say less than %10.

@ OSU I say less than % 25.  
 

That Purdue win was great, without question.  They are incredible.  But it was home and we barely won.  So if they drum us by 20 at Mackey what does that say?

Way to many Purdue references in this post. It hurt my eyes.  You should go to the penalty box.  :)  

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1 minute ago, Uspshoosier said:

Depends on each persons definition of good team.   Maybe some define it as a tourney team while others don’t.   IU won the games because on the night they played the game they played better then the teams they played against.