GG's - Geronimo, Galloway - More Minutes Please

[coonhounds 9,315]

Translation “It’s fun to play from behind every game. More times than not we come back. We like it so much, we do it again in the second half so we can give up any lead we were lucky enough to acquire during the last 10 minutes of the first half”.


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Yea and No matter how good you play in the first half off the bench you're sitting till at least the 12 minute mark unless their is foul trouble!

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[Golfman25 5,774]

1 hour ago, reconmkd said:

Just listened to part of the radio show and woody said he hasn’t considered shaking up the starting lineup. Says it doesn’t matter who starts but who finishes and said if he can’t get any response from the starters he may have to think about making a change! SMH

This is the kind of crap from coaches that drives me nuts.  Great coaches adapt.  And they should always be thinking about shaking things up -- if so and so can give us an advantage, then make the change.  

[94Bulldog 603]

Hear me out on this….what if Geronimo’s minutes didn’t come from Stewart/Kopp but they came from Race.  In fact, as much as I like Race’s game, his game outside of 8 feet is the same as TJD.  That bogs our O down as well.   Think of all Race’s open threes.  Now the defense would have to guard that with Jordan at the 4, and might eliminate the doubles on TJD.  I’d move Parker to the 3, start Trey at the 2.  Takes Parker off the opposing 2.   I feel Parker’s shooting is better than Kopps and with the other 4 in that lineup you can hide his D.  

[RaceToTheTop 26,386]

39 minutes ago, 94Bulldog said:

Hear me out on this….what if Geronimo’s minutes didn’t come from Stewart/Kopp but they came from Race.  In fact, as much as I like Race’s game, his game outside of 8 feet is the same as TJD.  That bogs our O down as well.   Think of all Race’s open threes.  Now the defense would have to guard that with Jordan at the 4, and might eliminate the doubles on TJD.  I’d move Parker to the 3, start Trey at the 2.  Takes Parker off the opposing 2.   I feel Parker’s shooting is better than Kopps and with the other 4 in that lineup you can hide his D.  

Geronimo’s minutes are coming from race or trayce is out.  He’s not being played with them.

[Honkyman 1,670]

Golfman25 said: "Great coaches adapt."

Who is going to start instead of the current starters? Galloway played starter minutes against Michigan (23 minutes) and scored zero points. He can't shoot and like last season after a couple of games opponents have figured out how to defend him making him an offensive liability. Phinisee returned to his old self against Michigan scoring just 2 points.  Geronimo scored 2 points and looked like he was sleepwalking the whole time he was on the floor. Meanwhile, Stewart scored 9 and Kopp scored 5. The problem is that IU doesn't run plays for their best shooters. When they finally started running plays for Parker Stewart near the end of the Michigan game, he hit three 3-point shots. Except for the Purdue game, the bench rarely delivers.

[HoosierAloha 30,077]

25 minutes ago, Honkyman said:

Golfman25 said: "Great coaches adapt."

Who is going to start instead of the current starters? Galloway played starter minutes against Michigan (23 minutes) and scored zero points. He can't shoot and like last season after a couple of games opponents have figured out how to defend him making him an offensive liability. Phinisee returned to his old self against Michigan scoring just 2 points.  Geronimo scored 2 points and looked like he was sleepwalking the whole time he was on the floor. Meanwhile, Stewart scored 9 and Kopp scored 5. The problem is that IU doesn't run plays for their best shooters. When they finally started running plays for Parker Stewart near the end of the Michigan game, he hit three 3-point shots. Except for the Purdue game, the bench rarely delivers.

How many WIDE OPEN threes did P Stew and Kopp give up against Michigan? (hint: a **** ton) Yes, Gallo and Phin both gave up some looks too, as a whole we were turrrble on defense. This isn't something new as we've given up pretty good looks in plenty of other games this season. We seemed to get better for a period but it reared its head again Sunday.

P Stew's three 3 pointers meant little to nothing besides changing the final margin from complete embarrassment (20+) to completely bad loss (18) as they all came when the game was out of hand. The eye test and stats both show P Stew and Kopp aren't getting it done together. It's one thing to have shooters and another to actually use them. If we're not running action to get them open looks (and makes) when they're on the floor together it's time to switch somethings up.

To the last point, look at the numbers. The starters are digging us a hole the bench has to dig out of. Why we're not putting 5 on the floor to get off to the best start each half is perplexing. I believe it's time to start one of Kopp or P Stew (preferably Kopp) on the bench in favor of Gallo. They're not getting it done.

[Honkyman 1,670]

There is no reason starting Galloway or Geronimo will translate into better team starts. Yes, Galloway hustles, but he can't shoot and his drives to the basket have already become predictable. Geronimo remains too inconsistent and besides, he is the the most likely player to sub for Race Thompson. If Tamar Bates had progressed, I would say start Bates over Stewart. Bates has the potential to be an all around very good player but he isn't there yet. In fact, he seems to have regressed since the start of the year. The reality is this team was thrown together last April. Stewart and Kopp are not living up to expectations, but a large part of that is the coaching--they aren't designing plays for those two. In any event, the discussion is academic, since Woodson said on his show he is changing the starting lineup.

[HoosierAloha 30,077]

1 hour ago, Honkyman said:

There is no reason starting Galloway or Geronimo will translate into better team starts. Yes, Galloway hustles, but he can't shoot and his drives to the basket have already become predictable. Geronimo remains too inconsistent and besides, he is the the most likely player to sub for Race Thompson. If Tamar Bates had progressed, I would say start Bates over Stewart. Bates has the potential to be an all around very good player but he isn't there yet. In fact, he seems to have regressed since the start of the year. The reality is this team was thrown together last April. Stewart and Kopp are not living up to expectations, but a large part of that is the coaching--they aren't designing plays for those two. In any event, the discussion is academic, since Woodson said on his show he is changing the starting lineup.

Thought the coaches got the players they were targeting, not just "thrown together last April." I guess we're to that point now though. Unfortunately, this discussion is academic, as we're good with getting off to slow starts and playing from a deficit. The question remains

Does Kopp and/or P Stew add anything if they're not taking and making from deep? Would Gallo starting alongside P Stew force the defense to get in rotations where P Stew or X could get enough space to make at a high enough percentage.

[Golfman25 5,774]

4 hours ago, Honkyman said:

There is no reason starting Galloway or Geronimo will translate into better team starts. Yes, Galloway hustles, but he can't shoot and his drives to the basket have already become predictable. Geronimo remains too inconsistent and besides, he is the the most likely player to sub for Race Thompson. If Tamar Bates had progressed, I would say start Bates over Stewart. Bates has the potential to be an all around very good player but he isn't there yet. In fact, he seems to have regressed since the start of the year. The reality is this team was thrown together last April. Stewart and Kopp are not living up to expectations, but a large part of that is the coaching--they aren't designing plays for those two. In any event, the discussion is academic, since Woodson said on his show he is changing the starting lineup.

Sometimes the sum of the  parts is greater than the individuals.   

[Alford Bailey 12,417]

On 1/25/2022 at 9:10 AM, Honkyman said:

There is no reason starting Galloway or Geronimo will translate into better team starts. Yes, Galloway hustles, but he can't shoot and his drives to the basket have already become predictable. Geronimo remains too inconsistent and besides, he is the the most likely player to sub for Race Thompson. If Tamar Bates had progressed, I would say start Bates over Stewart. Bates has the potential to be an all around very good player but he isn't there yet. In fact, he seems to have regressed since the start of the year. The reality is this team was thrown together last April. Stewart and Kopp are not living up to expectations, but a large part of that is the coaching--they aren't designing plays for those two. In any event, the discussion is academic, since Woodson said on his show he is changing the starting lineup.

Pretty much agree. Bates is the only other option to potentially make an impact and he isn’t ready yet.

[RaceToTheTop 26,386]

Kopp and Stewart are 4th and 5th scoring options with the starters.  Part of the reason  we don’t run plays for them is dumping it to TJD is a pretty damn good option.  So is Race.  And X has the ability to find the open man.

But coming off the bench, they would be our bench scoring options.   Kopp and Stewart are going to get more shots with bench guys than with starters.

[HoosierHoopster 7,248]

1 hour ago, brumdog45 said:

Kopp and Stewart are 4th and 5th scoring options with the starters.  Part of the reason  we don’t run plays for them is dumping it to TJD is a pretty damn good option.  So is Race.  And X has the ability to find the open man.

But coming off the bench, they would be our bench scoring options.   Kopp and Stewart are going to get more shots with bench guys than with starters.

Agree, though I do think having one of them start is important for spacing (and I'd like to see better use of our outside game, the inside game with TJD and Race would be better if we were using the shooters more, and our scoring would increase). 

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1 minute ago, HoosierHoopster said:

Agree, though I do think having one of them start is important for spacing (and I'd like to see better use of our outside game, the inside game with TJD and Race would be better if we were using the shooters more, and our scoring would increase).