Coronavirus and Its Impact

[mdn82 25,546]

I wouldn’t trust any study from China


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Agreed. It sounds like the results are starting to come back from across the world are similar. But I agree. I fully trust China as much as I do anyone on a podium promoting something not tested in a lab. I don’t mean that as a swipe, but Trump scares the hell out of a lot of people when he did that. The last how many ever pages shows what happens when he says something. People just run with it. There are reasons things like that are tested. I am cool with clinical studies to try out while testing with so many people willing to take it. But what people want because of what he is saying is very scary and dangerous.


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[Napleshoosier 10,428]

I friend who lives six doors down from me went on a cruise with his wife in early March. Mid 70’s each. Both came home with it. She kicked it fast. He went to hospital. 15 days in ICU and on ventilator. Was critical then they put him on hydroxycloroquine, Zpac, and a steroid. Worked great! Out of ICU but still in the hospital.


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[mdn82 25,546]

 
CNN is about the last place I want to read anything from
 
This morning they shared a “study” from Harvard that suggests we should be social distancing til 2022. Fear Mongering at its best.
 
 
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Absolutely. I think that is extreme as well. But that has been the most extreme study and they said as much when reporting on it today. I think what’s weird is we will most likely not see a crowd in a sporting event until fall of 2021 at the earliest which sucks. I have multiple concerts and shows this year I have tickets for. Hate to say I am hoping with this people decide their IU season tix aren’t worth it anymore and I squeeze in there. I will also hate it if this happens this way with the Final Four being in Indy in 2021. Never got to go. They will be back around again but that’s a bucket list thing.


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[mdn82 25,546]

I friend who lives six doors down from me went on a cruise with his wife in early March. Mid 70’s each. Both came home with it. She kicked it fast. He went to hospital. 15 days in ICU and on ventilator. Was critical then they put him on hydroxycloroquine, Zpac, and a steroid. Worked great! Out of ICU but still in the hospital.


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Glad for them they got back stateside before they got locked down. Love cruising but man that won’t be the same for a while.

[BlueDevil 8,800]

Absolutely. I think that is extreme as well. But that has been the most extreme study and they said as much when reporting on it today. I think what’s weird is we will most likely not see a crowd in a sporting event until fall of 2021 at the earliest which sucks. I have multiple concerts and shows this year I have tickets for. Hate to say I am hoping with this people decide their IU season tix aren’t worth it anymore and I squeeze in there. I will also hate it if this happens this way with the Final Four being in Indy in 2021. Never got to go. They will be back around again but that’s a bucket list thing.


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Man Indy does such a great job of hosting too had a blast in 2015. Went down on Friday to watch all the practices and it was packed!


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[Old Friend 8,389]

17 minutes ago, BlueDevil said:

 

CNN is about the last place I want to read anything from

 

This morning they shared a “study” from Harvard that suggests we should be social distancing til 2022. Fear Mongering at its best.

 

 

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CNN is now fully invested in one thing and one thing only; and it has nothing....ZERO to do with treating or mitigating COVID-19.  Their viewership is way down; they've been fully laid bare in their intentions and their mission; and not one thing on that network is credible.   I trust no one but doctors and those whose job it is to plan the true exit strategy.  I have a dear friend who's an ER doc here in Indy.  Been treating COVID patients literally every shift.  He is on board with the HCQ trials and says there are other ongoing trials we (public) know nothing about.   

Like the virus, HCQ affects people in different ways.   There are indeed studies out there showing its efficacy and one or two that seem to indicate otherwise.    But....anecdotal evidence simply means it's not universally accepted in the medical community.   It does not mean "incorrect" or false.  COVID-19 has been in the US less than 6 months.  There won't BE anything peer reviewed for a while.  In the meantime, there are plans to deal with a rebound, enough supplies to work with it, strategies to quarantine and protect the sick and vulnerable, and plans to get us back to life as we knew it, albeit with some acceptable new normals.  Those are the facts.

The rhetoric is transparent and it's tired.  From all angles.  The truth is HCQ DID help the house rep from Michigan and it HAS helped many others.   That gives a sign of hope.   The gloom and doom crowd can be gloomy if they want to, but that's not necessarily the correct version of "how things are."

[Josh 12,725]

40 minutes ago, BlueDevil said:

 

CNN is about the last place I want to read anything from

 

This morning they shared a “study” from Harvard that suggests we should be social distancing til 2022. Fear Mongering at its best.

 

 

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CNN certainly has credibility issues, and Donald Trump certainly does too.  I find it best to read Fox News and CNN, then use critical thinking on the differences between the two.

[mdn82 25,546]

CNN certainly has credibility issues, and Donald Trump certainly does too.  I find it best to read Fox News and CNN, then use critical thinking on the differences between the two.

You are a brave soul. I think I would go to bed with a migraine.


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[Old Friend 8,389]

26 minutes ago, Josh said:

CNN certainly has credibility issues, and Donald Trump certainly does too.  I find it best to read Fox News and CNN, then use critical thinking on the differences between the two.

I'd say Fox, CBS, and ABC.  That gives a decent balance and most of it relatively reasonable.  I stay away from Rush (who has a history of being correct on some things, just like he has a history of being incomplete and very biased) CNN (especially Don Lemon whose agenda is very obvious), MSNBC (especially Rachel Maddow, same), and the people that are really "out there."  None of that means a thing.  They're all preaching to their own choir.

[Chips&Dipo 1,464]

Any news source that spins or takes side in any way is not a news source. It is entertainment. Fox News, MSNBC, and CNN are for entertainment purposes across the board and a lot of people rely on them and crazy fringe "news" sources. Those are designed for people who are looking for affirmation in their beliefs, not facts to come to a conclusion. 

I listen to morning news through NPR and BBC (for a broader world perspective) and limit my news rest of the day. I am sure people disagree with those sources, but for the most part they just report on what happened without all the talking heads (except Wait, Wait, Don't Tell Me... but that is CLEARLY for entertainment and not a news source).

[Stuhoo 81,971]

2 minutes ago, Andowen1990IU said:

Any news source that spins or takes side in any way is not a news source. It is entertainment. Fox News, MSNBC, and CNN are for entertainment purposes across the board and a lot of people rely on them and crazy fringe "news" sources. Those are designed for people who are looking for affirmation in their beliefs, not facts to come to a conclusion. 

I listen to morning news through NPR and BBC (for a broader world perspective) and limit my news rest of the day. I am sure people disagree with those sources, but for the most part they just report on what happened without all the talking heads (except Wait, Wait, Don't Tell Me... but that is CLEARLY for entertainment and not a news source).

For me I like The Hill, The Economist, the Wall St Journal, and NPR, although there is one guy on NPR that drives me nuts with agenda, so maybe not NPR as much.

I love The Hill.

[Chips&Dipo 1,464]

2 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

For me I like The Hill, The Economist, the Wall St Journal, and NPR, although there is one guy on NPR that drives me nuts with agenda, so maybe not NPR as much.

I love The Hill.

I like The Hill too, especially because they CLEARLY identify their editorials and they allow for a wide span of opinions (some of which I don't agree with, but doesn't mean they shouldn't be allowed to voice their opinion).

As an FYI - Steve Inskeep with NPR is from Carmel, IN. He does Up First, which is a nice 15 minute digest of the days news.

[mdn82 25,546]

Any news source that spins or takes side in any way is not a news source. It is entertainment. Fox News, MSNBC, and CNN are for entertainment purposes across the board and a lot of people rely on them and crazy fringe "news" sources. Those are designed for people who are looking for affirmation in their beliefs, not facts to come to a conclusion. 
I listen to morning news through NPR and BBC (for a broader world perspective) and limit my news rest of the day. I am sure people disagree with those sources, but for the most part they just report on what happened without all the talking heads (except Wait, Wait, Don't Tell Me... but that is CLEARLY for entertainment and not a news source).

I know right. I miss your Dan Rather, Peter Jennings, and Ted Koppel’s of the world. Both CNN and Fox News are equally atrocious at times. Unfortunately, for a moderate you don’t have much of a luxury. You just hear screaming and misinformation from both sides to fit their agenda. Guess that is what happens in the most hyper political time in our existence. I just hope we get past that somehow someway.


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[mdn82 25,546]

For me I like The Hill, The Economist, the Wall St Journal, and NPR, although there is one guy on NPR that drives me nuts with agenda, so maybe not NPR as much.
I love The Hill.

Yeah you take Hannity, Carlson, Cavuto, Lemon, and Cuomo off of their respective shows and those stations would be better. I am partial to the Hill too. The Wall St Journal is everything at work.


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[Stuhoo 81,971]

9 minutes ago, Andowen1990IU said:

I like The Hill too, especially because they CLEARLY identify their editorials and they allow for a wide span of opinions (some of which I don't agree with, but doesn't mean they shouldn't be allowed to voice their opinion).

As an FYI - Steve Inskeep with NPR is from Carmel, IN. He does Up First, which is a nice 15 minute digest of the days news.

 

Yes! This is why I love that site. Editorials from all ends of the spectrum which are clearly labeled as editorials, and non-editorials which are true to their non-editorial mission.

 

[Josh 12,725]

27 minutes ago, mdn82 said:

You are a brave soul. I think I would go to bed with a migraine.


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Notice I said I read them, not watch them.  I can't watch any news except local news.  I read the two opposite but equal websites.  That way nobody is screaming at me lol.  It's amazing how slanted they are, and it's amazing when you find somebody who spouts all their talking points as though they're the smartest person in the room.  Critical thought people!

[mdn82 25,546]

Notice I said I read them, not watch them.  I can't watch any news except local news.  I read the two opposite but equal websites.  That way nobody is screaming at me lol.  It's amazing how slanted they are, and it's amazing when you find somebody who spouts all their talking points as though they're the smartest person in the room.  Critical thought people!

I hear you. Normally I stay out of this talk, cause there is no winning for a moderate. But man that drug talk has been so over the top everywhere with half truths. Every talking point acts like that drug is the second coming. I wish people know that even in situations where “it worked”, it did so along with a multitude of other drugs. It wasn’t that one drug worked. Some combination of drugs and dosing is helping people but not even close to half of the cases tested. But then, is it the drugs or person? There has not been one standout drug. I know a few health organizations are working closely with J&J and there is legit optimism they could have the vaccine by early summer. If that’s the case we can produce enough in about a year or two to serve everyone. I would be ecstatic.


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[WayneFleekHoosier 48,726]

I don’t trust the media and their agendas whatsoever. Never have. I’m naturally a skeptic and wholeheartedly believe in the motto, follow the money in all endeavors. I know good people, really good people and it always boils down to money in the end.

As far as flattening the curve.... we limit the rush of cases for now. We HAVE to open things up at some point. The outbreaks, if and how bad, will happen then. Imo, there was never a good solution to this problem.




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[WayneFleekHoosier 48,726]

Copied from JBJ interview.

JBJ: It was tough because the way you see it on TV here (in the US), when I got back, I’m like “wow, this is crazy,” but where I was (in Trento), I didn’t feel that way. My dad was just telling me to listen what the team is saying because they were taking care of me over there.

Sensationalized media coverage. Of course it is. Fear is a powerful motivator.


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[Lebowski 2,821]

Mid-April and yesterday the US city NYC hit roughly 6589 or *10,367 deaths in one day.  This is the second day to hit above 2k, the first being 4/10/2020.  Rural areas haven't been affected yet.  But it will.  If you recall the White House's best-picture scenario of 100k to 240k deaths, predicted the US will hit a peak death rate of more than 2k deaths a day in mid-April.  

According to Johns Hopkins yesterday's death toll was 2405.  There's a stark difference between what NBC News is reporting, because NYC just reported their counts around 1pm EST. 

https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/coronavirus-deaths-united-states-each-day-2020-n1177936
 

*That number is 'probable', meaning the victim as someone who had not testes positive, but whose death certificate lists that they were killed by COVID-19 the disease associated with coronavirus. 

At some point the country as a whole won't see the color red or blue. They'll see the color COVID. Hopefully sooner than later.