Bracketology and Team Resumes

[Uspshoosier]

25 minutes ago, Loaded Chicken Sandwich said:

It only works if they are all used together objectively and can't be black and white. And need to be used alongside the eye test. 

And it has worked every year since I have been following.    There are teams over the years that I have disagreed with the committee that got in or got left out at the end of the bracket or disagreed with a seed line but at the end of the day if your team is on the bubble then your team has flaws and are subject to not getting in.  

[Loaded Chicken Sandwich]

9 hours ago, Uspshoosier said:

And it has worked every year since I have been following.    There are teams over the years that I have disagreed with the committee that got in or got left out at the end of the bracket or disagreed with a seed line but at the end of the day if your team is on the bubble then your team has flaws and are subject to not getting in.  

I've considered anything from 7 seeds below to be on the bubble the last few years. 

[Uspshoosier]

Going to be interesting to see how the committee handles teams schedules this year. In this odd year you have teams that have played a killer schedule and then you had teams opt out of their non conference tourneys to feast on low and mid majors to stack wins.  
 

team A 

13-3

net-26

Q1-(2-2)  wins(N-40), @41

Q-2  (1-0) wins @110

Q3 and 4- 10 wins vs teams above 100

11 of 16 games against teams over 100

 

team B

9-7

net-34

Q1-(4-5) wins-5,23, @43, @48    
Q2-(1-1)

Q3 and 4- (4-0) 

3 of 16 games against teams over 100

 

 

 

 

[Uspshoosier]

Penn St resume 

6-7

net-29

Q1-(2-6),  Road losses-3,5,13,31,48 and home loss to 5 

Q2-(2-1)

Q3-1-0

Q4-1-0

SOS-8

10 of 13 games against top 50

12-13 games against top 100 

 

[Loaded Chicken Sandwich]

49 minutes ago, Uspshoosier said:

Penn St resume 

6-7

net-29

Q1-(2-6),  Road losses-3,5,13,31,48 and home loss to 5 

Q2-(2-1)

Q3-1-0

Q4-1-0

SOS-8

10 of 13 games against top 50

12-13 games against top 100 

 

And that's supposed to be good enough for Top 30?

[Uspshoosier]

As of today Houston is the only team from the American that I have projected in the field 

[Loaded Chicken Sandwich]

4 hours ago, Uspshoosier said:

As of today Houston is the only team from the American that I have projected in the field 

Poor conference had potential to be a new Missouri Valley... And it has fallen flat on it's face. 

[RaceToTheTop]

13 hours ago, Loaded Chicken Sandwich said:

I've considered anything from 7 seeds below to be on the bubble the last few years. 

No one but you using the definition. I'll go with everyone else's definition.

[NashvilleHoosier]

55 minutes ago, brumdog45 said:

No one but you using the definition. I'll go with everyone else's definition.

I don’t consider any team below #15 to be in the top 25. 

[Loaded Chicken Sandwich]

8 minutes ago, NashvilleHoosier said:

I don’t consider any team below #15 to be in the top 25. 

Apples and oranges. 

[NashvilleHoosier]

9 hours ago, Loaded Chicken Sandwich said:

Apples and oranges. 

More like granny smiths to honeycrisps. 

[Loaded Chicken Sandwich]

2 hours ago, NashvilleHoosier said:

More like granny smiths to honeycrisps. 

What you said is just dumb. What I said has legitimate reason. 

[NashvilleHoosier]

14 minutes ago, Loaded Chicken Sandwich said:

What you said is just dumb. What I said has legitimate reason. 

Correct. What I said was dumb. Very dumb. The fact that you think my statement and your statement aren't comparable at all is, at best, misguided. 

[Loaded Chicken Sandwich]

33 minutes ago, NashvilleHoosier said:

Correct. What I said was dumb. Very dumb. The fact that you think my statement and your statement aren't comparable at all is, at best, misguided. 

Well because they aren't comparable. At all. Here lately, the differences between 7, 8, 9 seeds and those in the bubble just on the outside, have been slim. What you said is just dumb. Plain and simple. Just trying your best(and failing) to be a jacka$$.

[NashvilleHoosier]

9 minutes ago, Loaded Chicken Sandwich said:

Well because they aren't comparable. At all. Here lately, the differences between 7, 8, 9 seeds and those in the bubble just on the outside, have been slim. What you said is just dumb. Plain and simple. Just trying your best(and failing) to be a jacka$$.

Ah, but it sounds like I'm succeeding quite well :-). 

The difference between teams just inside the top 25 and just outside the top 25 is also slim. But that's beside the point. You said you consider anything 7 seed and below to below to be on the bubble. Consider whatever you want. But I highly doubt the committee, or any expert projecting the field, considers the teams they slot in as a 7, 8, or 9 seed as being on the bubble. They are considering those teams to be squarely in the field. The bubble on selection Sunday is not 35, 40 teams. 

Just like you, or anyone, can consider any ranked team unworthy of being ranked, but the folks that vote on and make the rankings are the ones who decided whether they get a ranking or not. And someone ranked #15, 16, 17 are safely in the rankings. Those ranked #23, 24, 25...they're on the rankings bubble.

[Loaded Chicken Sandwich]

39 minutes ago, NashvilleHoosier said:

Ah, but it sounds like I'm succeeding quite well :-). 

The difference between teams just inside the top 25 and just outside the top 25 is also slim. But that's beside the point. You said you consider anything 7 seed and below to below to be on the bubble. Consider whatever you want. But I highly doubt the committee, or any expert projecting the field, considers the teams they slot in as a 7, 8, or 9 seed as being on the bubble. They are considering those teams to be squarely in the field. The bubble on selection Sunday is not 35, 40 teams. 

Just like you, or anyone, can consider any ranked team unworthy of being ranked, but the folks that vote on and make the rankings are the ones who decided whether they get a ranking or not. And someone ranked #15, 16, 17 are safely in the rankings. Those ranked #23, 24, 25...they're on the rankings bubble.

I bet a with a win or two a team could slide from a 10-11 all the way to a 7 or 8. Just like a couple losses couple move a team from a 7 or 8 down to a 10 or 11. Probably teams just on the outside that with a win could move in quickly. That's how close it is. That's how big the bubble has gotten. Even Indiana was considered to be 1 win away in Romeo's year and that team lost 11 for 12 straight. 

[Stuhoo]

27 minutes ago, Loaded Chicken Sandwich said:

I bet a with a win or two a team could slide from a 10-11 all the way to a 7 or 8. Just like a couple losses couple move a team from a 7 or 8 down to a 10 or 11. Probably teams just on the outside that with a win could move in quickly. That's how close it is. That's how big the bubble has gotten. Even Indiana was considered to be 1 win away in Romeo's year and that team lost 11 for 12 straight. 

(On the Bubble--sports) Having qualification for an event depend on the upcoming performances of other competitors; hence, at risk of being eliminated, and reversely, being close to qualification; on the verge. 

So, based on the highlighted part of your post above, a team that is currently a 7 or 8 seed is not on the bubble. A couple of losses in a row and they're still in.

Thanks for the clarification.

 

[Loaded Chicken Sandwich]

Just now, Stuhoo said:

 

So, in other words, a team that is currently a 7 or 8 seed is not on the bubble. A couple of losses in a row and they're still in.

Thanks for the clarification.

 

Doesn't mean you're not on the bubble. A team that loses as an 11 seed isn't automatically out. Doesn't mean they aren't on the bubble. 

[Uspshoosier]

2 minutes ago, Loaded Chicken Sandwich said:

I bet a with a win or two a team could slide from a 10-11 all the way to a 7 or 8. Just like a couple losses couple move a team from a 7 or 8 down to a 10 or 11. Probably teams just on the outside that with a win could move in quickly. That's how close it is. That's how big the bubble has gotten. Even Indiana was considered to be 1 win away in Romeo's year and that team lost 11 for 12 straight. 

There is still a pretty decent gap between seed 7 and the handful of teams that are on what I consider the bubble.   Each year coming up with the top 9 seeds is the easy part.  Guessing their seed is harder but each year I’m comfortable knowing the teams in that range.  I will agree it has gotten more difficult at the bottom of the bubble.   In years past I would feel confident about the top 10 seeds but not lately.   I just don’t agree with you saying the bubble is all the way down to a 7 seed. My numbers tell a different story

[NashvilleHoosier]

1 hour ago, Loaded Chicken Sandwich said:

I bet a with a win or two a team could slide from a 10-11 all the way to a 7 or 8. Just like a couple losses couple move a team from a 7 or 8 down to a 10 or 11. Probably teams just on the outside that with a win could move in quickly. That's how close it is. That's how big the bubble has gotten. Even Indiana was considered to be 1 win away in Romeo's year and that team lost 11 for 12 straight. 

It doesn't mean the bubble gets bigger. You're just describing how teams move on and off the bubble in both directions. I think Stuhoo and USPS covered it pretty well so I won't regurgitate that.