blue blood vs. elite

[Rico]

Curious as to what you guys define them as.  

[HoosierAloha]

Curious as to what you guys define them as.  

Blood blood to me is a program who has won championships in multiple decades and ranks among the top in national championships, conference championships, wins, and fan bases that never leave the program. Elite is the current state of basketball with competing for conference and national championships.

IU is a blue blood but isn’t elite. I believe Michigan has replaced IU in the Big Ten (along with Michigan State). If IU were to win the conference and make a Final Four in the next few years I still wouldn’t consider us elite unless we’re able to repeat it a few years later.

Blue bloods: UCLA, puke, Dook, U of No Classes, Kansas, IU
Elite: Dook, U of No Classes, Villanova, puke, MSU, Michigan, Kansas, and Gonzaga


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[Rico]

8 minutes ago, HoosierAloha said:

Blood blood to me is a program who has won championships in multiple decades and ranks among the top in national championships, conference championships, wins, and fan bases that never leave the program. Elite is the current state of basketball with competing for conference and national championships.

IU is a blue blood but isn’t elite. I believe Michigan has replaced IU in the Big Ten (along with Michigan State). If IU were to win the conference and make a Final Four in the next few years I still wouldn’t consider us elite unless we’re able to repeat it a few years later.

Blue bloods: UCLA, puke, Dook, U of No Classes, Kansas, IU
Elite: Dook, U of No Classes, Villanova, puke, MSU, Michigan, Kansas, and Gonzaga


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Great take.  And one I agree with.

Sometimes I sit back and look at my lifetime.  Just looking at the teams that have fallen off the map.  And teams that have popped onto the map.

[HoosierTrav]

13 minutes ago, HoosierAloha said:

Blood blood to me is a program who has won championships in multiple decades and ranks among the top in national championships, conference championships, wins, and fan bases that never leave the program. Elite is the current state of basketball with competing for conference and national championships.

IU is a blue blood but isn’t elite. I believe Michigan has replaced IU in the Big Ten (along with Michigan State). If IU were to win the conference and make a Final Four in the next few years I still wouldn’t consider us elite unless we’re able to repeat it a few years later.

Blue bloods: UCLA, puke, Dook, U of No Classes, Kansas, IU
Elite: Dook, U of No Classes, Villanova, puke, MSU, Michigan, Kansas, and Gonzaga


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Go ahead and shut the thread down. This sums it up perfectly.

[Rico]

Kind of funny when I look back...wth happened to UNLV, Marquette, DePaul, and San Francisco?  Heck, you could throw Notre Dame in there as well.

[mdn82]

Kind of funny when I look back...wth happened to UNLV, Marquette, DePaul, and San Francisco?  Heck, you could throw Notre Dame in there as well.

And Florida, Syracuse, UConn, Gtown, Arkansas, and Arizona. Some really good teams over the years, but not able to maintain over longer stretches. Closest on that list is UCONN imo.


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[Rico]

2 minutes ago, mdn82 said:

And Florida, Syracuse, UConn, Gtown, Arkansas, and Arizona. Some really good teams over the years, but not able to maintain over longer stretches. Closest on that list is UCONN imo.


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Ohio St.?

[HoosierAloha]

17 minutes ago, mdn82 said:

And Florida, Syracuse, UConn, Gtown, Arkansas, and Arizona. Some really good teams over the years, but not able to maintain over longer stretches. Closest on that list is UCONN imo.


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Arizona is right on that bubble of elite to me.  They have been at the top of the PAC 12 and have several Elite 8s but haven't been able to get to a Final Four.  If one of their Elite 8s would have been a Final Four I think I would have included them in this list.  They've definitely been able to get elite talent but haven't capitalized on it in the tourney to be in that elite category.

[mdn82]

Arizona is right on that bubble of elite to me.  They have been at the top of the PAC 12 and have several Elite 8s but haven't been able to get to a Final Four.  If one of their Elite 8s would have been a Final Four I think I would have included them in this list.  They've definitely been able to get elite talent but haven't capitalized on it in the tourney to be in that elite category.

They won one in the late 90s didn’t they? I thought they did with Miles Simon and Bibby. Don’t hold me to that. But I agree with the modern version and they shouldn’t have been on there cause I think that late 90s run was short lived.

 

 

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[johnsoniu]

3 minutes ago, mdn82 said:

They won one in the late 90s didn’t they? I thought they did with Miles Simon and Bibby. Don’t hold me to that. But I agree with the modern version and they shouldn’t have been on there cause I think that late 90s run was short lived.

 

 

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Yep, beat UK, or pUKe could've had a three-peat.

[HoosierAloha]

1 minute ago, mdn82 said:

They won one in the late 90s didn’t they? I thought they did with Miles Simon and Bibby. Don’t hold me to that. But I agree with the modern version and they shouldn’t have been on there cause I think that late 90s run was short lived.

 

 

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Yes, they did win one with Lute Olsen as coach.  It was the late 90s, 97 or 98 I believe.  I was thinking more recently under Sean Miller though.  I said it a few years ago that a team out West should be absolutely dominating the PAC 12 because of all the talent you could get.  Arizona has gotten a lot of that talent, UCLA has gotten a lot of that talent, and Oregon has gotten a lot of that talent but they haven't capitalized on it. 

[LamarCheeks]

Arizona went to four Final Fours (1988, '94, '97, 2001), went to two title games ('97 and 2001 -- winning in '97) and was a No. 1 seed six times. It was a pretty powerful program there for a while. ... Most of that was under Lute Olson. 

[Rico]

Just like UNLV with Tarkanian, Lute built 'Zona.  

[Southside]

IU is not a blue blood anymore. maybe a blue hair. 

IMO, you're not a blue blood if you go 30 years without a NC.

[HoosierAloha]

IU is not a blue blood anymore. maybe a blue hair. 
IMO, you're not a blue blood if you go 30 years without a NC.

Why is 30 years a magical number?


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[Southside]

23 minutes ago, HoosierAloha said:

Why is 30 years a magical number?


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it's not. but it's been 30+ F'ing years.

if i had to set a magic number, it would be 15. at most 20.

we're well past both. 

[Old Friend]

Blue blood and elite historical program.  Team not so much for most of the last several years.   

History and tradition matters.  Always will.  Indiana has it and will for a long time as a university and as a state.  They did not make a movie called "Gophers."

[Southside]

 

20 minutes ago, Old Friend said:

Blue blood and elite historical program.  Team not so much for most of the last several years.   

History and tradition matters.  Always will.  Indiana has it and will for a long time as a university and as a state.  They did not make a movie called "Gophers."

time matters though. how many people think of Princeton as football giants based on their early domination of CFB?