TOM CREAN FIRED

[Uwe Robb 1,072]

I just read an article that had Danny Ainge saying that Brad Stevens is coaching them right out of their rebuilding plan.

 

He had planned on missing the playoffs Brad's first 2-3 years and getting top 8th-15th picks and now that Brad has his team rolling the 16th-22nd picks they are projected to get are not worth near as much on the trade market.

 

I am not saying this thinking they will fire BS for winning, but it is interesting and makes sense. If they can't continue to build in the draft or make a blockbuster trade the team could top out around a 4-6 place finish in the East.

[Uwe Robb 1,072]

Yes it is still downgrading. The Boston Celtics are one of the top jobs you can have if you're successful. Indiana can't even touch it. Really no college job can except maybe Kentucky, Kansas or North Carolina. It is the same with the Lakers if they're good. If Boston was struggling then I'd understand Stevens entertaining a chance to leave... but that just isn't the case here. Boston is looking to deal right now and looking to get the #1 pick in the draft while making a push for the 2 seed in the NBA playoffs.

No way they get the #1 pick. I doubt they even get the #5 pick.

 

I am an upper level Manager in a fortune 500 company. If my company wanted to change my title to Assitant Janitor and give me a 3 million dollar raise, then guess what. It's time to update my LinkedIn page because I am the new Assistant Janitor. 

[X-Hoosier 529]

No way they get the #1 pick. I doubt they even get the #5 pick.

I am an upper level Manager in a fortune 500 company. If my company wanted to change my title to Assitant Janitor and give me a 3 million dollar raise, then guess what. It's time to update my LinkedIn page because I am the new Assistant Janitor.

They have the Brooklyn Nets pick. It is unprotected. Right now the Nets are the 4th worst team in the league.

[KingPG21 6,587]

Even though Crean has been the coach for 8 years, id say this is his 5th actual season of proving himself. Those first 3 years nobody could have coached us better anyways.

What? I can think of about half a dozen coaches off the top of my head who could have done better those first three years. 

[Uwe Robb 1,072]

They have the Brooklyn Nets pick. It is unprotected. Right now the Nets are the 4th worst team in the league.

Okay so the 4th best player in this years draft is going to get the Celtics past Lebron and the Splash brothers? Simmons can barely make the NCAA tourney, Ingram just got his team back in the top25 and Buddy Hield can't seem to beat Kansas, but they are going to be the answer to the Celtics winning a Championship?

 

I would guess they could sign Durant in free agency and they would still only move up one spot in the East to #2.

 

I also remember Brad saying a few years back that IU was his dream job. Not sure I've ever heard him say that about Boston. So I don't see how getting your dream job would ever be a downgrade?

[chitown hoosier 743]

What? I can think of about half a dozen coaches off the top of my head who could have done better those first three years.

Without cheating? I dunno. I mean we had 1 pretty low level walk on from the previous year and Indiana needed to compete in the b1g. Maybe the third year but that's only if another coach could've recruited more impactful players which would've been a tall order once again without cheating. Indiana was pretty much Minnesota this year but worse off.

[X-Hoosier 529]

Okay so the 4th best player in this years draft is going to get the Celtics past Lebron and the Splash brothers? Simmons can barely make the NCAA tourney, Ingram just got his team back in the top25 and Buddy Hield can't seem to beat Kansas, but they are going to be the answer to the Celtics winning a Championship?

I would guess they could sign Durant in free agency and they would still only move up one spot in the East to #2.

I also remember Brad saying a few years back that IU was his dream job. Not sure I've ever heard him say that about Boston. So I don't see how getting your dream job would ever be a downgrade?

None of that means anything to how good these players are. Simmons is a one of a kind player. Everyone wants that #1 pick. But to be able to Brandon Ingram would be amazing for them as well. That's a building block. A SF they don't have. The Celtics are on an upswing in the big picture. Indiana isn't moving.

[coonhounds 10,540]

I seen a stat that said Tom crean is 0 and 42 on the road against higher rated teams since he has been at iu. 0 and 42 is atrocious to me if true

[Trish 14,450]

I watch more NBA than most people on this board i assume. Stevens has the Celtics in the right path, they have a decent young core. However, they have no big guys worth a damn. Ask any Celtic fan, they hate all their big guys and would be more than glad to trade them away.

 

The celtics have the potential to land the #1 overall pick this summer along with a couple other first round draft picks. If they get a top 3 pick, a couple quality bigs, along with a bench, they could be right back at the top of the east. 

 

The only way i see Stevens wanting to LEAVE the NBA is for his family. If he wants to spend more time with his family with more time off in the summer, then he will come back to the college game. At this point. Brad is working from October -May, not to mention half the games are spent on the road traveling to other major cities around the world.

[Uwe Robb 1,072]

None of that means anything to how good these players are. Simmons is a one of a kind player. Everyone wants that #1 pick. But to be able to Brandon Ingram would be amazing for them as well. That's a building block. A SF they don't have. The Celtics are on an upswing in the big picture. Indiana isn't moving.

Coaches like Brad Stevens don't care about the current state of a program. They have all the confidence in the world in themselves and their coaching abilities to turn these programs around. Why would he have ever took the Boston job if he cared about how the teams were currently playing?

 

In the NBA he is limited by the roster that Danny Ainge assembles as well as the salary cap. In college he can recruit any player he wants. He can sign as many McDonalds All Americans as possible. He would also have the resources provided by IU that are 2nd to none in the NCAA.

 

I am not arguing with you that Boston is a good job. It is. He has actually made it even better by making the team competative again. I am just saying that in your orginal post you said that "he is in the NBA for life" I seriously doubt that is true. It may not even be IU, could even be Duke. But for you to say that Boston is the holy grail of jobs and he is never leaving is just as much speculation as the IU fans that believe he will come back one day.

 

It is apples and oranges, but if you want to compare the two.

IU's last conference championship was in 2013 Boston's was in 2010.

IU has had 6 conference titles since 1987 Boston has had 2.

IU currently sits T-2 in their conference Boston is 3rd place.

 

Boston put together a team of free agent all-stars and won 1 Championship in 2008 before that they had not won a Championship since 1986.

IU's last Championship was 1987

[KingPG21 6,587]

Okay so the 4th best player in this years draft is going to get the Celtics past Lebron and the Splash brothers? Simmons can barely make the NCAA tourney, Ingram just got his team back in the top25 and Buddy Hield can't seem to beat Kansas, but they are going to be the answer to the Celtics winning a Championship?

 

I would guess they could sign Durant in free agency and they would still only move up one spot in the East to #2.

 

I also remember Brad saying a few years back that IU was his dream job. Not sure I've ever heard him say that about Boston. So I don't see how getting your dream job would ever be a downgrade?

.... Can't tell if you're being serious. Simmons is considered one of the most talented freshman in a while, and this includes guys like Wiggins, KAT, and Davis. 

 

Also, lol, there is no way any NBA GM in the top ten is even really looking at Hield. You don't draft high volume, mediocre defense, seniors in the top ten in the NBA, unless you're the Kings and are convinced Jimmer is going to put butts in the seats. 

[Uwe Robb 1,072]

.... Can't tell if you're being serious. Simmons is considered one of the most talented freshman in a while, and this includes guys like Wiggins, KAT, and Davis. 

 

Also, lol, there is no way any NBA GM in the top ten is even really looking at Hield. You don't draft high volume, mediocre defense, seniors in the top ten in the NBA, unless you're the Kings and are convinced Jimmer is going to put butts in the seats. 

I totally agree he is the #1 pick and will eventually be an All-Star in the NBA.

 

I am saying will he be the reason the Celtics, 76ers, Lakers or Suns beat Lebron James or Steph Curry in the Playoffs the next 3 years that are remaining on Brad Stevens contract?

 

Since 1992 only 3 #1 picks have went on to win a Championship. Shaquille O'Neal, Tim Duncan and Lebron James. That is a pretty short list with some pretty special players.

 

Edit: Sorry my list was old. You can actually add Andrew Bogut to that list. Which doesn't help my argument at all.

[HoosierAloha 30,102]

I totally agree he is the #1 pick and will eventually be an All-Star in the NBA.

 

I am saying will he be the reason the Celtics, 76ers, Lakers or Suns beat Lebron James or Steph Curry in the Playoffs the next 3 years that are remaining on Brad Stevens contract?

 

Since 1992 only 3 #1 picks have went on to win a Championship. Shaquille O'Neal, Tim Duncan and Lebron James. That is a pretty short list with some pretty special players.

 

Edit: Sorry my list was old. You can actually add Andrew Bogut to that list. Which doesn't help my argument at all.

 

How many of those players went on to win a championship with the team that drafted them?  Tim Duncan?

[Trish 14,450]

Bottom line, Celtics won't be in a championship until Lebron/Love/Kyrie separate. 

[Uwe Robb 1,072]

How many of those players went on to win a championship with the team that drafted them?  Tim Duncan?

Yes, thank you. I guess that would drive my point home even further.

 

Simmons is more likely to win a Championship after he signs his first free-agency deal than he is in the first 3-4 after draft.

[KingPG21 6,587]

I totally agree he is the #1 pick and will eventually be an All-Star in the NBA.

 

I am saying will he be the reason the Celtics, 76ers, Lakers or Suns beat Lebron James or Steph Curry in the Playoffs the next 3 years that are remaining on Brad Stevens contract?

 

Since 1992 only 3 #1 picks have went on to win a Championship. Shaquille O'Neal, Tim Duncan and Lebron James. That is a pretty short list with some pretty special players.

 

Edit: Sorry my list was old. You can actually add Andrew Bogut to that list. Which doesn't help my argument at all.

The general thought about Simmons is that he is that type of talent. And depending on who you talk to some think the Celtics are pretty close to breaking through, they just need that next level player, and Simmons would be that guy.

 

I will say the since '92 stat is a bit broken, given that Shaq won 4, Duncan has won 5, LeBron has won 2, and then there is Bogut. Among those 4 you can account for about half of the NBA championships. If Simmons is that talent, then you definitely win

[Uwe Robb 1,072]

Bottom line, Celtics won't be in a championship until Lebron/Love/Kyrie separate. 

Agreed, but Lebron proved last year he doesn't really even need them to just beat the East and make the finals.

 

Lebron is aging though.....

[Uwe Robb 1,072]

The general thought about Simmons is that he is that type of talent. And depending on who you talk to some think the Celtics are pretty close to breaking through, they just need that next level player, and Simmons would be that guy.

 

I will say the since '92 stat is a bit broken, given that Shaq won 4, Duncan has won 5, LeBron has won 2, and then there is Bogut. Among those 4 you can account for about half of the NBA championships. If Simmons is that talent, then you definitely win

I have seen him play and while I agree he is a man amongst boys in the NCAA and SEC. He is not a great shooter and he is a good ball handler for his size, but I don't see him being able to run the point or even play the 2. As of right now I just don't see him being better than Anthony Davis or KAT. I may put him on the Andrew Wiggins level. Wiggins was a highlight show in college, but still hasn't proved he can hit an outside jumper consistantly (currently .244 3 pt) Wiggins was also the next Lebron James when he was signing with Kansas and every game ESPN wanted to promote.

 

With that being said I have no clue what kind of work ethic the kid has. When he goes pro there will be no more NCAA hours limits. So he can easily get better at those skills I pointed out.

 

What it boils down to is what you ultimately think about Simmons. My 2nd question would be is there a 2nd player in the 2016 draft that comes close to having the impact that Simmons does?

[KB0 827]

I have seen him play and while I agree he is a man amongst boys in the NCAA and SEC. He is not a great shooter and he is a good ball handler for his size, but I don't see him being able to run the point or even play the 2. As of right now I just don't see him being better than Anthony Davis or KAT. I may put him on the Andrew Wiggins level. Wiggins was a highlight show in college, but still hasn't proved he can hit an outside jumper consistantly (currently .244 3 pt) Wiggins was also the next Lebron James when he was signing with Kansas and every game ESPN wanted to promote.

 

With that being said I have no clue what kind of work ethic the kid has. When he goes pro there will be no more NCAA hours limits. So he can easily get better at those skills I pointed out.

 

What it boils down to is what you ultimately think about Simmons. My 2nd question would be is there a 2nd player in the 2016 draft that comes close to having the impact that Simmons does?

 

Well considering there's a lot of recent chatter that Ingram should be considered for the #1 pick, yes. Overall this class is weaker, yes, but last years draft class is stacked. The Celtics tried to trade the house to the Hornets to move up and get Winslow, but MJ is an idiot and passed.

 

Ainge is a magician and will get Stevens the pieces he needs to be competitive for a title. Boston is a better job than IU. 

[Uwe Robb 1,072]

Well considering there's a lot of recent chatter that Ingram should be considered for the #1 pick, yes. Overall this class is weaker, yes, but last years draft class is stacked. The Celtics tried to trade the house to the Hornets to move up and get Winslow, but MJ is an idiot and passed.

 

Ainge is a magician and will get Stevens the pieces he needs to be competitive for a title. Boston is a better job than IU. 

I guess we will all just watch as it plays out.