A Final Analysis on the 2015-16 Hoosiers

[MadAboutIndiana 402]

If there's anyone that doesn't think this season was a complete success, then WOW.

Enjoy the damn journey. Yes there were down moments early in the year but who is really going to remember that? You're going to remember Yogi going for the kill at Carver Hawkeye.

This season was one of the best in school history all things considered.

[MartintheMopMan 7,765]

If there's anyone that doesn't think this season was a complete success, then WOW.

Enjoy the damn journey. Yes there were down moments early in the year but who is really going to remember that? You're going to remember Yogi going for the kill at Carver Hawkeye.

This season was one of the best in school history all things considered.

Can you not enjoy a journey without also being disappointed and frustrated by the destination and increasingly insecure about your next trip? Glad you had such a fun car to ride in but concerned the crash at the end was inevitable? Not sure if your driver can take the car rebuilt from the broken pieces to take you on the same or better journey next year?

I'll remember Yogi going for the kill, but will my daughter?

You're right about it being one of the best in school history though, I'd only rank it behind 1940, 1953, 1973, 1975, 1976, 1981, 1984, 1987, 1992, 1993, and 2002. Easily in the Top 16.

[Walking Boot of Doom 18,170]

1 hour ago, MartintheMopMan said:

 

 

 

 

Can you not enjoy a journey without also being disappointed and frustrated by the destination and increasingly insecure about your next trip? Glad you had such a fun car to ride in but concerned the crash at the end was inevitable? Not sure if your driver can take the car rebuilt from the broken pieces to take you on the same or better journey next year?

2012

 

I'll remember Yogi going for the kill, but will my daughter?

 

You're right about it being one of the best in school history though, I'd only rank it behind 1940, 1953, 1973, 1975, 1976, 1981, 1984, 1987, 1992, 1993, and 2002. Easily in the Top 16.

I'm not saying anything about our history, but in the context of what we've achieved since the '90's? This has definitely been one of our best seasons. Unfortunate, but it's the current reality. The only thing that sucks worse than making three Sweet Sixteens since 2012 is not making it out of the first weekend 11 out of 12 times since 1995.

[X-Hoosier 529]

It was a good year. Probably Crean's 3rd best. His best was obviously 12-13. 11-12 was a better team as well. But both years we had a possible lottery pick and one of the 10 or 15 best players in Indiana history.. Cody Zeller. The beginning sucked.. we were garbage. But the rest was good except the PSU and UM game.

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[MartintheMopMan 7,765]

I'm not saying anything about our history, but in the context of what we've achieved since the '90's? This has definitely been one of our best seasons. Unfortunate, but it's the current reality. The only thing that sucks worse than making three Sweet Sixteens since 2012 is not making it out of the first weekend 11 out of 12 times since 1995.

Once you divide our program between the last 20 years and the time before, then we shouldn't have any expectations at all. We are blueblooded because of the history, otherwise we'd be less notable than Maryland or Oregon. Our history prior to 1995 is inextricably part of who we are and while division may explain why young people are satisfied with a few Sweet Sixteens every few years, it can't make it any more acceptable as a program.

I think you added "2012" as a response to my first point but it's hard to tell on the app. My response however is kind of just "exactly".

Going with the analogy, we fixed up our ride after 11-12 and really tricked it out. Threw a 5.86 L Pushrod V8 in that beast and told the world we were coming. They took note, ranked us high, and we started enjoying the ride. We finally reached the last few laps again and... Son of a botched job the car exploded again! Even worse than before!

We said it would be ok and really next year is when we can win the race. Nope. Didn't qualify. Well, lots of teams have that issue maybe next year. Qualified with bad position and were out immediately. Next year though... Ooo boy! This is the best ride in 20 years but ($&@$;;;&" the engine exploded in the exact same place again! Maybe next year...

[IndyHutch 1,718]

11 hours ago, HoosierCoop said:

Well written and very accurate.

I think many of the IU fans had one foot out the door (including myself) of each game that IU played.

That was the biggest mystery to this team; which team would show up.

I see the team's success from a long time fan viewpoint of faith.  I have faith that we can be great again.

There is definitely an excitement next year that this team will be great.  We should have all the elements to be winners.

Our team got a taste of top level talent and competed.

Our Freshman will mature nicely and we will have upperclass leadership.

We all need to carry this momentum and mindset over to the next season.

Sadly, that is now many months away.

I think a lot of people feel the way you do. I think a lot of people are wondering how much of the current team comes back and what some of the decisions are going to do for this team moving forward. I'll be posting a story about that within an hour or two and we can share some opinions on that.

[yogisballin 2,328]

I'm sure he's going to explore his options but kind of like Cody Zeller, while I think he could go out and be a top 15-20 pick this year, I think if he waits he moves into the top 10. That is if he can build on the season that he just had.

Couldn't agree more with you on this. Would also like to add. TB has a really smooth and soft shooting touch outside. He puts in the offseason work that he needs on this, he becomes a very dangerous pick and pop/roll player. The better he becomes with his outside shot the more confident/comfortable face up player.

[X-Hoosier 529]

Couldn't agree more with you on this. Would also like to add. TB has a really smooth and soft shooting touch outside. He puts in the offseason work that he needs on this, he becomes a very dangerous pick and pop/roll player. The better he becomes with his outside shot the more confident/comfortable face up player.

If you're a lottery pick for sure then you should leave. The fact Zeller didn't leave after his freshman year was a surprise because he was a lock in the lottery.

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[IU Hoosier41 14,465]

Welcome to Btownbanners. Like I told someone else, I really believe that losing to North Carolina in the Sweet Sixteen is better from a perception standpoint with some IU fans than losing to either Wisconsin or Notre Dame in the Elite Eight because both would have been worse seeds and both would have been teams IU had already beaten this season.

I would have gone ape sh*t if we beat UNC and lost to either ND or WISCY. I mean would have completely lost my mind.

[MartintheMopMan 7,765]

4 minutes ago, IU Hoosier41 said:

I would have gone ape sh*t if we beat UNC and lost to either ND or WISCY. I mean would have completely lost my mind.

Me too. I would have bought tickets to the Final Four on Friday night too. 

[Walking Boot of Doom 18,170]

Once you divide our program between the last 20 years and the time before, then we shouldn't have any expectations at all. We are blueblooded because of the history, otherwise we'd be less notable than Maryland or Oregon. Our history prior to 1995 is inextricably part of who we are and while division may explain why young people are satisfied with a few Sweet Sixteens every few years, it can't make it any more acceptable as a program.

I think you added "2012" as a response to my first point but it's hard to tell on the app. My response however is kind of just "exactly".

Going with the analogy, we fixed up our ride after 11-12 and really tricked it out. Threw a 5.86 L Pushrod V8 in that beast and told the world we were coming. They took note, ranked us high, and we started enjoying the ride. We finally reached the last few laps again and... Son of a botched job the car exploded again! Even worse than before!

We said it would be ok and really next year is when we can win the race. Nope. Didn't qualify. Well, lots of teams have that issue maybe next year. Qualified with bad position and were out immediately. Next year though... Ooo boy! This is the best ride in 20 years but ($&@$;;;&" the engine exploded in the exact same place again! Maybe next year...

I get it, our history is a huge part of who we are, but so is the recent history and present time.

To be honest, your analogy has completely lost its ability to demonstrate whatever point you're trying to make.

All I'm saying is that we're seeing the most consistency we've had in over 20 years, and watched our current coach make improvements in his coaching style and philosophy this year. I don't really understand how losing to UNC made you so doom and gloom, but I really think we're getting to a stronger position as a program than we've been in a long time. We'll see how it plays out, but until then, hope you enjoy the ride! (Guess we're kind of back to the car analogy)

[HoosierAloha 30,068]

I think Crean has us a step below where I think the program should be. That being consist contenders for B1G championships. 2 outright in 4 years is nothing to put down but those 8th and 7th place finishes are a bit off, a 4th and 5th would be much better. I don't put a ton of emphasis on the BTT but winning more than a game every few seasons would be nice.

The NCAA tourney is a bit of a crapshoot. I like the three Sweet 16s in five years. The one year of missing the NCAA and NIT stings and shouldn't happen going forward. The first round loss is also difficult to be happy about. Going forward an average of Sweet 16s would be nice. A Final Four or more to offset a first weekend loss could have the fan base feeling better too.

I don't think we're too far off from those annual achievements. I do believe that is about the ceiling we will have with Crean. I'm not happy about it but after the last 20 years that's something to build on. If he Crean can get to that level I will be happy until an elite coach is hired by an IU administration stops talking about being elite and shows actions they want to be elite again.

[MartintheMopMan 7,765]

I get it, our history is a huge part of who we are, but so is the recent history and present time.

To be honest, your analogy has completely lost its ability to demonstrate whatever point you're trying to make.

All I'm saying is that we're seeing the most consistency we've had in over 20 years, and watched our current coach make improvements in his coaching style and philosophy this year. I don't really understand how losing to UNC made you so doom and gloom, but I really think we're getting to a stronger position as a program than we've been in a long time. We'll see how it plays out, but until then, hope you enjoy the ride! (Guess we're kind of back to the car analogy)

Can't help my analogies that I'm mostly on my phone now either.

I'm not doom and gloom, this is just my standard offseason emotion. How can anyone have hope or happiness knowing there is no more Indiana basketball for 7 months? And we are less than a week away from losing all college ball!

At least there are spring games soon and old college football on YouTube.