What's the odds....

[mdn82 25,510]

Sure that happens in the movies but I just don't feel like it really happens in the real world all too often

I guess real life sometimes imitates art.

[Kepner 1,261]

It does even here from what I've heard. Nothing crazy, but people being "shown a good time" isn't all that out of the ordinary.

 

 

I guess real life sometimes imitates art.

I totally understand having coaches and staff having all the eye candy out but that is far different from staff bringing in escorts and hookers for players

[DawgBawls 712]

[quote name="Kepner" post="198167" timestamp="1444004613"]Sure that happens in the movies but I just don't feel like it really

If this kinda of stuff happened all the time...then having NCAA rules broken is the least of our concerns...societally\ cuturally speaking that is.

Concubines for the gladiators....et tu Spartacus?

[HoosiersLoveBanners 797]

I'm not excusing what they allegedly did. You asked if it's that hard to run a clean program, and I simply pointed out that there is no such thing as a "clean" program and there's not. I would certainly hope programs aren't going to this, again alleged, extreme but I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if others were. It's not right. UL should be punished if it's proven true. Will a banner be removed? No chance.

My entire post was about your asking if it's hard to run a clean program. Not making excuses.

My question was rhetorical and not an actual question. It shouldn't be hard to do things by the rules, or at least closely to with all the minor violations. It should not be hard at all, actually. When there is smoke, there is FIRE. They wouldn't address it and "investigate" it otherwise. Get real man

[mdn82 25,510]

I totally understand having coaches and staff having all the eye candy out but that is far different from staff bringing in escorts and hookers for players

How do you think they get that eye candy? Just appears? Giving them perks is paying them to have sex with recruits... That is the definition of prostitution.

[mdn82 25,510]

My question was rhetorical and not an actual question. It shouldn't be hard to do things by the rules, or at least closely to with all the minor violations. It should not be hard at all, actually. When there is smoke, there is FIRE. They wouldn't address it and "investigate" it otherwise. Get real man

There is only fire when people cooperate which never happens because there is rarely a paper trail or the person involved doesn't bite the hand that feeds them. There is always smoke on this topic.

[MartintheMopMan 7,765]

How do you think they get that eye candy? Just appears? Giving them perks is paying them to have sex with recruits... That is the definition of prostitution.

Um... No? Having sex with someone because they are famous or important is not prostitution. Who cares what a college girls motivation to have sex is so long as it isn't "money" or "blackmail"?

[MikeRoberts 7,030]

Um... No? Having sex with someone because they are famous or important is not prostitution. Who cares what a college girls motivation to have sex is so long as it isn't "money" or "blackmail"?

thats what he is saying. They are provided access to things and given gifts in exchange for entertaining recruits and players. It happens. Hiring professionals takes it to another level

[MartintheMopMan 7,765]

thats what he is saying. They are provided access to things and given gifts in exchange for entertaining recruits and players. It happens. Hiring professionals takes it to another level

I don't think we have any reason to believe they are provided access to things or given gifts in exchange. Well, unless the "things" are the recruits and players. I was friends with a girlfriend of a basketball player for awhile, and near as I could tell, the girls who end up entertaining the players are just the girls who chase that kind of guy. What they get in exchange is to brag to their friends that they banged Bruce Brown not any actual reward. And there is no shortage of these girls. They aren't promised anything or offered anything or even have any reason to believe they'll get anything other than sex with a basketball player and a cool story.

 

They way they get "brought out" for recruits is they have good connections with people close to the team and they know what parties or whatever to hit-up. Same way that one guy on your floor freshman year always knew where the best parties were, they're just plugged in to the right people. It's self-perpetuating and a far cry from prostitution.

 

It's no more prostitution than the girl (or guy) who really wants to just find a Kelley MBA husband and keeps an eye on the MBA parties and has sex with MBA students.

[Walking Boot of Doom 18,170]

It's no more prostitution than the girl (or guy) who really wants to just find a Kelley MBA husband and keeps an eye on the MBA parties and has sex with MBA students.

MRS (and MR) degrees are legitimate career moves.

[mdn82 25,510]

I don't think we have any reason to believe they are provided access to things or given gifts in exchange. Well, unless the "things" are the recruits and players. I was friends with a girlfriend of a basketball player for awhile, and near as I could tell, the girls who end up entertaining the players are just the girls who chase that kind of guy. What they get in exchange is to brag to their friends that they banged Bruce Brown not any actual reward. And there is no shortage of these girls. They aren't promised anything or offered anything or even have any reason to believe they'll get anything other than sex with a basketball player and a cool story.

They way they get "brought out" for recruits is they have good connections with people close to the team and they know what parties or whatever to hit-up. Same way that one guy on your floor freshman year always knew where the best parties were, they're just plugged in to the right people. It's self-perpetuating and a far cry from prostitution.

It's no more prostitution than the girl (or guy) who really wants to just find a Kelley MBA husband and keeps an eye on the MBA parties and has sex with MBA students.

We will have to agree to disagree on this aspect when it comes to entertaining recruits. I have seen girls with full season tickets as well as receive NFL tix. Hell Zach Randolph knocked up his "tour guide." Never said these girls receive these types of things from the school though. That's what donors are for. These aren't student tix they receive. Gym access. Believe me, I know neither of will try to or care if the other one changes their mind.

[MartintheMopMan 7,765]

We will have to agree to disagree on this aspect when it comes to entertaining recruits. I have seen girls with full season tickets as well as receive NFL tix. Hell Zach Randolph knocked up his "tour guide." Never said these girls receive these types of things from the school though. That's what donors are for. These aren't student tix they receive. Gym access. Believe me, I know neither of will try to or care if the other one changes their mind.

If girls are getting these perks for having sex with our players and recruits, then I know a handful of girls who are going to be disappointed they've been getting their tickets punched for free. Well, they're probably graduated now. Well, they were pretty dumb, maybe they aren't. Maybe they were too dumb to ask for perks too. 

 

There's still the whole "intent" aspect too. If Louisville wants to give girls season tickets sua sponte after they have sex with a recruit, but the girl would have had sex with the recruit either way then who cares? If they give girls season tickets so that they have sex with a recruit, and the girl may not have otherwise, then there is a legal problem.

 

Though, what do I know? I think the fact that we let the government tell us the reasons for which we're permitted to have sex is insane. The very fact that it's possible for us to have such a nuanced debate about what qualifies as "too far" is crazy.

[Class of '66 Old Fart 84,844]

HoopDirt reports UMKC has placed Ass't. Coach Andre McGee on administrative leave and promoted their DBO to McGee's position at least on an interim basis.  Excerpts of the school's announcement and kudos to UMKC for taking an aggressive stance to distance themselves from McGee in the event there truly is some fire and not merely smoke to Cardinalgate.

 

UMKC head coach Kareem Richardson released the following statement:

“The allegations reported yesterday are a matter of serious concern. Like many, I am eager to learn the results of the investigations underway by UMKC, Louisville and the NCAA but we all need to allow the process to run its course without interference. In the meantime, our coaches and student-athletes are focused on academics and basketball as the season gets underway. We have promoted Director of Basketball Operations Conner Hampton to Assistant Coach on a temporary basis while Andre is on administrative leave. To keep our focus on school and basketball, we will not have further comment at this time.”

The school also released a statement on the situation:

“The University of Missouri-Kansas City is aware of today’s reports alleging wrongdoing by a current UMKC employee while he worked at another institution. UMKC is taking the allegations seriously and we have already initiated our own review of the matter. While we are conducting that review, Assistant Men’s Basketball Coach Andre McGee will be on administrative leave with pay, effective immediately.”

[DawgBawls 712]

"it's no more prostitution than the girl (or guy) who really wants to just find a Kelley MBA husband and keeps an eye on the MBA parties and has sex with MBA students."

 

"MRS (and MR) degrees are legitimate career moves."

 

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(cough) Clintons (cough) ......  :D I kid I kid......Guackamohlee anyone?

[MartintheMopMan 7,765]

"it's no more prostitution than the girl (or guy) who really wants to just find a Kelley MBA husband and keeps an eye on the MBA parties and has sex with MBA students."

"MRS (and MR) degrees are legitimate career moves."

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(cough) Clintons (cough) ...... :D I kid I kid......Guackamohlee anyone?

There are hundreds of reasons to hate either Clinton, but they are both very capable and would have had success with or without each other. Totally different ball game.

I wish I were still at the law school, I used to see and talk to Maurer all the time. I'd love to ask him what he was thinking when he started unravelling this thread.