Can We Keep Chuck Regardless Of Crean's Status?

[WayneFleekHoosier 48,509]

@AdamZagoria: Great job by Indiana assistant Chuck Martin getting Thon Maker & Thomas Bryant on campus. Don't know if they will get either but in the mix

Bridesmaid situation here. I think we are Bryant's backup if UK doesn't go for him TBH.

[Diadem 430]

@AdamZagoria: Great job by Indiana assistant Chuck Martin getting Thon Maker & Thomas Bryant on campus. Don't know if they will get either but in the mix

Bridesmaid situation here. I think we are Bryant's backup if UK doesn't go for him TBH.

I think if Crean stays [probable at this point] we get Bryant . If Adidas wants to get/secure another contract with IU we get Thon. But I can easily see your scenario play out.

[KelleyHoosh 2,263]

I'd argue the signing of Holt works as a huge boost for Martin's resume. 

 

1) We hired Chuck late, so he worked quick

2) Knowing of Holt shows he is "plugged in" to an elite east coast AAU circuit (he knew where to look)

3) Holt wasn't highly rated, so his eye for talent is pretty good (or a friend made a good recommendation) 

4) It (to a degree) filled a major hole in the roster. 

 

Holt can turn into a good 4 year player here. 

 

If Martin can grab Bryant, I will be very impressed by him and would like to retain him to ease the transition (if and when there is) to a new coach. 

 

That said, I also think recruiting aces are pretty dime a dozen.

[LazOffTheBench 3,638]

Bryant did say ( on Twitter I believe ) that he enjoyed his time here with Coach Crean and Coach Martin. To me, that shows that Chuck is playing a big role in this recruitment.

[BenzOrBeamer 351]

So with chuck playing such a big role, and we don't get these kids, is he still great?

[LazOffTheBench 3,638]

Benz, hard to say. The recruits still have to be sold on the current HC.

[BenzOrBeamer 351]

Benz, hard to say. The recruits still have to be sold on the current HC.

Makes total sense, martin may be castrated at the moment.

However, if his only accomplient to date is holt, a fine 5-10 minute a game player who may grow into a 15-20 minute a game player I don't understand what all the hubbub is about

[KelleyHoosh 2,263]

Makes total sense, martin may be castrated at the moment.

However, if his only accomplient to date is holt, a fine 5-10 minute a game player who may grow into a 15-20 minute a game player I don't understand what all the hubbub is about

I think you're grossly devaluing Holt. I think he could turn into a quality starting 4 for us or valuable 6th man. Remember his outrageous break out performance against Pitt? Crean seems to be holding him back, for whatever reason. 

[CR3AMnCR1MS0N 1,867]

I think you're grossly devaluing Holt. I think he could turn into a quality starting 4 for us or valuable 6th man. Remember his outrageous break out performance against Pitt? Crean seems to be holding him back, for whatever reason.

Might be holding him back a little bit, but there's also the facts that he's slow and he can't really jump

[KelleyHoosh 2,263]

Might be holding him back a little bit, but there's also the facts that he's slow and he can't really jump

True, but how much of this is because he hurt his ankle (is it still hurt)? 

 

Luckily for him, both of those things can be fixed with the proper training. If he improves those and grows another inch or two, we have a legit 4. 

[BenzOrBeamer 351]

I think holt is now and will continue to be a solid player....but hardly a career maker for martin

[KelleyHoosh 2,263]

I think holt is now and will continue to be a solid player....but hardly a career maker for martin

Now that we can agree on. Solid player? Yeah. Super star? Not on this level. 

 

If he can pull Bryant however, that would be a very nice get.

 

My desire to maintain Chuck isn't solely about Holt or Bryant, but because it helps when coaching staffs have a lot of turnover to have a constant. It helps kids already on the team feel like it isn't an entirely new place from where they committed to play, it maintains some stability in terms of relations with academic advisors/university administration, it gives the new coach someone to comfortably come to when adjusting to life as a coach specifically at IU. And, if he can get some talent on the roster its a pretty big plus.  :laugh:

[Diadem 430]

So with chuck playing such a big role, and we don't get these kids, is he still great?

I think Chuck is great for IU . If we look back Kenny Johnson was given a lot of credit for Troy and Stan and Robert etc [ even though I think Crean's work with Boo Williams was more important]. But Kenny missed on a few biggies towards the end [ Maybe was thinking about a UL offer long before the announcement of his leaving for there]. But Ultimately Crean's gotta close the deal. I'm impressed that Chuck can help get these 5*s to visit at this point when our BB program is [ arguably] at one of our lowest/most uncertain points. And I think Chuck has a cooler vibe. Kenny Johnson was frequently posting his religious beliefs on twitter and yet ultimately chose to work for [IMO] a morally Bankrupt Coach in Pitino. But ultimately Chuck nor any other single coach other than the head coach is going to bring us back where IU basketball needs to be. I just think Coach Martin is a positive for the program . That's all.

[Diadem 430]

So with chuck playing such a big role, and we don't get these kids, is he still great?

Chuck did great! Watch this interview and notice what TB said about Chuck.

http://scoop.hoosiershq.com/2015/04/thomas-bryant-talks-indiana-at-derby-festival-practice-iubb/

[Diadem 430]

One more thing. If you read the Scout Board [of Dead Zombies] both Hutch and Justin said Crean was the lead recruiter on Thomas Bryants recruitment. Shows how out of the loop that board and their experts are at this point.




http://scoop.hoosiershq.com/2015/04/thomas-bryant-talks-indiana-at-derby-festival-practice-iubb/