Potential coaching change suggestions

[Feathery 4,005]

Only way I see it is if someone like a Stevens let it be known he wanted IU. That's why I say outside of Hoiberg or Stevens no thanks.

Gotcha. Yeah I don't expect anything to happen this offseason unless we totally fall apart and lose out, miss the dance, do horrid in the NIT, and we have departures. That's a lot and I still think Crean is back.

Next season is a different story. I know the administration is well aware of the fanbase turning on him. Nobody will admit it publicly bc they will not cut Creans legs out from underneath him. My belief is he will get his final shot next season. I think Stevens and Boston could part ways at that point as well. Boston is still a bad team next year and the fans will be getting restless. It's a star league and unless Boston makes some moves, they will be short on talent.

[KelleyHoosh 2,263]

Some of the names that are tossed around amaze me. After Davis, Sampson and Crean you would think that people would be more rational when discussing a future coach. Why would we want to take a huge gamble on a young coach that has had some success in a mediocre conference? Or an NBA coach that has no experience coaching, recruiting or the many other responsibilities of a coach in the college ranks?

I'm not getting any younger. If we're getting rid of Crean we better be bringing in someone that is an elite and proven college coach so we can turn this around quickly without any learning curves.

If I'm Glass my home run hire list is:

1. Brad Stevens
2. Billy Donovon
3. Tony Bennett

Then I'd be thinking

1. Fred Hoiberg
2. Gregg Marshall

If none of these guys are interested in the job then I'm not sure I'd can Crean. I'd also seriously question our administration's dedication and competence.

I'm not opposed to giving it to a younger guy. I'm not sure of the exact history of the hire, but I don't think Bob Knight at the time he was hired was considered a "home run" Basically if theres someone widely regarded as an up and coming star in the coaching world, I'm fine letting him grow on the job at IU than become a big name and make a home elsewhere. 

 

I do agree its important to not jump ship on Crean if the time isn't right yet. 

[ctucker 41]

I think Hoiberg, Marshall & Bennett are all considered up and coming coaches. Every one of those guys will either move to a big time program or get an NBA gig.

Pretty confident that a guy making a name for himself at IU and then moving elsewhere is a highly unlikely scenario. IU has lost some luster, but it's still a destination job.

[KelleyHoosh 2,263]

I think Hoiberg, Marshall & Bennett are all considered up and coming coaches. Every one of those guys will either move to a big time program or get an NBA gig.

Pretty confident that a guy making a name for himself at IU and then moving elsewhere is a highly unlikely scenario. IU has lost some luster, but it's still a destination job.

Thats not what I'm saying, that they would leave IU. I'm saying, for example lets use Chris Collins. A young coach, good history having worked under coach K, a lot of people think he's getting it together at NW but he hasn't proven yet that he can be an elite head coach. I'm saying, go ahead and if he is the right candidate, get the "Chris Collins" type so he can blossom here instead of at another program. 

 

EDIT: Note* this is not a support of Chris Collins, simply a post using his name as an example of a young coach seen as having potential

[mdn82 25,510]

I think Hoiberg, Marshall & Bennett are all considered up and coming coaches. Every one of those guys will either move to a big time program or get an NBA gig.

Pretty confident that a guy making a name for himself at IU and then moving elsewhere is a highly unlikely scenario. IU has lost some luster, but it's still a destination job.

Bennett already turned us down once and his career to this point is fairly similar to Crean's. Hoiberg is at his alma mater and doing very well. I personally like the coach Marshall but just hear shady things about him here and there.

[ctucker 41]

Thats not what I'm saying, that they would leave IU. I'm saying, for example lets use Chris Collins. A young coach, good history having worked under coach K, a lot of people think he's getting it together at NW but he hasn't proven yet that he can be an elite head coach. I'm saying, go ahead and if he is the right candidate, get the "Chris Collins" type so he can blossom here instead of at another program.

EDIT: Note* this is not a support of Chris Collins, simply a post using his name as an example of a young coach seen as having potential

Ok I gotcha. I'm just not sure the majority of our fanbase has the patience right now for that. I think we're in agreement that if the resume is questionable its not worth the gamble.

[Alford Bailey 12,393]

We know what we have and it aint good. You dont keep a guy who isnt getting it done just because you are afraid you cant hire a suitable replacement. 100% sure we can land a coach better than Crean. 100%. When, not if, the job comes open I think many will be surprised at the interest shown .

[southernindianahoosier 422]

Looking back at the success from 2003-2015 I'm not sure i wouldn't have rather had 6 different coaches over that time period. IMO Stevens is a candidate that will make me forget about 2003-2015.

[ctucker 41]

Bennett already turned us down once and his career to this point is fairly similar to Crean's. Hoiberg is at his alma mater and doing very well. I personally like the coach Marshall but just hear shady things about him here and there.

All good points, but the circumstances are much different now from when Bennett was previously offered.
As for Hoiberg, I've heard that he's pretty devoted to Iowa State, but the dude will likely never win a national championship there. If he wants to compete at the highest level and get compensated as such, I believe he'd hear us out. Some of the talking heads have indicated that many close to Hoiberg believe he's only leave ISU for the league, but still it's worth the call.

I haven't heard the rumors about Marshall, but of there's smoke you can cross him off the list.

[TheStillman 991]

Stevens is the only home run hire. As such I think the program should position itself for Stevens. I'm not sure he's leaving after year 2 in Boston and I'd actually put money that he would not. There's too much promise and hope for that franchise for him to leave it now. He knew it was a long haul and I think he at least sees it past year 2.

Now after year 3 maybe and especially 4 I think it becomes a bit different and he may entertain the idea. This is why I am a bit leery to just hire whoever is next up and lock them in for another 5-6 years as during that time the window where Stevens is available may be closed.

In summary based on my inexact opinion we'll have a better shot at Stevens in 2016 or 2017 than 2015.

Many are of the opinion that anything is better than the current regime and I disagree. You don't want to end up with the 5th or 6th or 7th guy on your list because you may be committing to a bag of goods for another decade before a change can be made.

Just throwing this out there based on nothing but an interesting case study. Let's say Stevens, Hoiberg, Bennett, Donovan, Marshall, Pitino Jr and Collins say no and we hire Seth Greenberg. Will you really be happy to have him over Crean? I'd rather have Crean any day.

[BlueDevil 8,693]

Stevens is the only home run hire. As such I think the program should position itself for Stevens. I'm not sure he's leaving after year 2 in Boston and I'd actually put money that he would not. There's too much promise and hope for that franchise for him to leave it now. He knew it was a long haul and I think he at least sees it past year 2.

Now after year 3 maybe and especially 4 I think it becomes a bit different and he may entertain the idea. This is why I am a bit leery to just hire whoever is next up and lock them in for another 5-6 years as during that time the window where Stevens is available may be closed.

In summary based on my inexact opinion we'll have a better shot at Stevens in 2016 or 2017 than 2015.

Many are of the opinion that anything is better than the current regime and I disagree. You don't want to end up with the 5th or 6th or 7th guy on your list because you may be committing to a bag of goods for another decade before a change can be made.

Just throwing this out there based on nothing but an interesting case study. Let's say Stevens, Hoiberg, Bennett, Donovan, Marshall, Pitino Jr and Collins say no and we hire Seth Greenberg. Will you really be happy to have him over Crean? I'd rather have Crean any day.

I would actually take Greenberg

[Feathery 4,005]

All good points, but the circumstances are much different now from when Bennett was previously offered.
As for Hoiberg, I've heard that he's pretty devoted to Iowa State, but the dude will likely never win a national championship there. If he wants to compete at the highest level and get compensated as such, I believe he'd hear us out. Some of the talking heads have indicated that many close to Hoiberg believe he's only leave ISU for the league, but still it's worth the call.

I haven't heard the rumors about Marshall, but of there's smoke you can cross him off the list.

I think he is referring to the rumors of Marshall being a grade A a**hole. I've never heard anything illegal about Marshall. Think of his personality as being similar to The General. Personally I have him 2nd on my list bc I think he fits IU basketball 99% perfectly. I just think Stevens is the perfect fit.

[TheStillman 991]

I would actually take Greenberg

 

I don't see how someone can say that Crean will not take us to the level we want (consistent final 4s, national titles) but Greenberg can.

[BlueDevil 8,693]

I don't see how someone can say that Crean will not take us to the level we want (consistent final 4s, national titles) but Greenberg can.

No no I'm saying I would take Greenberg over Crean. I don't want that guy but def over crean

[Feathery 4,005]

I don't see how someone can say that Crean will not take us to the level we want (consistent final 4s, national titles) but Greenberg can.

I agree Greenberg isn't the answer. I think in a years time we get the guy we want.

[TheStillman 991]

No no I'm saying I would take Greenberg over Crean. I don't want that guy but def over crean

 

But in that same vein you're taking 5-6 years of Greenberg versus another 1-2 years of Crean?  That is what we're committing to if we hire someone this offseason.

[BlueDevil 8,693]

But in that same vein you're taking 5-6 years of Greenberg versus another 1-2 years of Crean? That is what we're committing to if we hire someone this offseason.

I'm not committing to 5-6 years of anything all I said was is that I would take Greenberg over Crean. Not saying fire crean for Greenberg.

[TheStillman 991]

I'm not committing to 5-6 years of anything all I said was is that I would take Greenberg over Crean. Not saying fire crean for Greenberg.

 

 

Gotcha.  I guess my point is that in this discussion of firing Crean you have to look at all outcomes and if you fire Crean now versus a year or 2 from now you lose a full 5-6 years of flexibility to get the right guy.  

 

The question isn't Crean vs Greenberg or anyone.  It is 1-2 years of Crean versus 5-6 years of whoever we get. 

[MikeRoberts 7,051]

I don't see how someone can say that Crean will not take us to the level we want (consistent final 4s, national titles) but Greenberg can.

where did Greenberg come from. We would go after Mike Brey and a boatload of other guys before Greenberg. Why the big drop off from our collective top five to Greenberg?

[TheStillman 991]

where did Greenberg come from. We would go after Mike Brey and a boatload of other guys before Greenberg. Why the big drop off from our collective top five to Greenberg?

He was thrown at as a generic coach that is someone you end up with if all the top choices don't work out. I don't think Brey is leaving Notre Dame