The holes in this roster are baffling

[KingPG21 6,587]

Yogi Ferrell will be playing at IU next year. This is his team. His GF is an IU cheerleader. Can we stop this crap? Hes not transferring or going pro.

Pretty sure he was just kind of mocking people with all the transfer stuff

[HoosierAloha 30,102]

This guy just had 15 pts and 11 rebs against Witchita St. The last time I checked they were ranked #11 in the country. The B1G has a total of 1 team ranked higher than that. So I would say he can do it against tough competition. Have you even seen him play or are you just going to recite players that are good in the B1G and not believe that anybody outside of our conference is capable of putting up 10 & 8 on a consistent basis? 

 

Those are solid numbers against the #11 ranked team that is an undersized team.  However, it's not the B1G and it's not his average.  I've never seen him play but below is a list of B1G players over the last 5 years to average 10 & 8.  This is just an educated guess, as we won't know unless he does transfer to a B1G school.  He's not NBA good and, minus Mbakwe, all were drafted in the first round.  Also most on that list were All B1G, All Americans, B1G DPOY, etc.  The kid might be talented but it's so hard to average "at least" 10 & 8 in the B1G.

 

2014-2015

- Kamisky

- Dawson

 

2013-2014
- Vonleh

 

2012-2013

- Mbakwe

- Zeller

 

2011-2012

- Green

- Sullinger

- Leonard

 

2010-2011

- Mbakwe

- Sullinger

- Green

- Johnson (Ja)

[Uwe Robb 1,072]

Those are solid numbers against the #11 ranked team that is an undersized team.  However, it's not the B1G and it's not his average.  I've never seen him play but below is a list of B1G players over the last 5 years to average 10 & 8.  This is just an educated guess, as we won't know unless he does transfer to a B1G school.  He's not NBA good and, minus Mbakwe, all were drafted in the first round.  Also most on that list were All B1G, All Americans, B1G DPOY, etc.  The kid might be talented but it's so hard to average "at least" 10 & 8 in the B1G.

 

2014-2015

- Kamisky

- Dawson

 

2013-2014
- Vonleh

 

2012-2013

- Mbakwe

- Zeller

 

2011-2012

- Green

- Sullinger

- Leonard

 

2010-2011

- Mbakwe

- Sullinger

- Green

- Johnson (Ja)

Awesome research. Great job theoretically proving me wrong with yet another list of B1G players that I could care less about. So are you telling me that Venky Jois couldn't average 10 pts 8 rebs in the B1G? Because our team made him look like Bill Russell.

 

I love IU and I am a huge B1G enthusiast, but how did all of these players on your list turn out in the pros? How well has the B1G done in recent years in the tournament? Butler, Witchita St and Florida Gulf Coast have made deeper runs than many of our teams. So sorry if I choose to believe there is talent that is capable of producing numbers outside of our beloved conference.

[TheStillman 991]

Awesome research. Great job theoretically proving me wrong with yet another list of B1G players that I could care less about. So are you telling me that Venky Jois couldn't average 10 pts 8 rebs in the B1G? Because our team made him look like Bill Russell.

 

I love IU and I am a huge B1G enthusiast, but how did all of these players on your list turn out in the pros? How well has the B1G done in recent years in the tournament? Butler, Witchita St and Florida Gulf Coast have made deeper runs than many of our teams. So sorry if I choose to believe there is talent that is capable of producing numbers outside of our beloved conference.

 

Do you think if Mockevicius were on a B1G team he would end up being on any of the All-Conference teams?  Based on that list of players that is the level of player he would need to be to meet your expectations for stats.

[coonhounds 10,464]

What is it that has some optimistic about April?

in your case you should be excited that fellow posters are optimistic about something iu related lol.

[HoosierAloha 30,102]

Awesome research. Great job theoretically proving me wrong with yet another list of B1G players that I could care less about. So are you telling me that Venky Jois couldn't average 10 pts 8 rebs in the B1G? Because our team made him look like Bill Russell.

 

I love IU and I am a huge B1G enthusiast, but how did all of these players on your list turn out in the pros? How well has the B1G done in recent years in the tournament? Butler, Witchita St and Florida Gulf Coast have made deeper runs than many of our teams. So sorry if I choose to believe there is talent that is capable of producing numbers outside of our beloved conference.

 

I know there is talent outside our beloved conference that could produce numbers.  I don't agree with the notion that he could put up at least 10 & 8.  The list of players was to prove it's not an easy task and you have to be rather elite to accomplish that in the B1G. 

 

Venky Jols did that against an undersized IU squad with a horrible defense.  You keep picking individual games to reference while I'm providing you with players who actually played in the conference.  I'm not doubting the kid from UE could put up at least 10 & 8 against a B1G team.  I'm doubting he would average that.

 

Green, Sullinger, Leonard, and Zeller are doing decent to great in the NBA.  I don't think Mbakwe was drafted and Johnson might be in the D-League?  I'm not sure what they're doing in the pros has to do with the elite level you have to be at to average 10 & 8 in the B1G.  They were drafted and that is usually your elite level players from college.  Do you see the UE kid getting drafted?

[Uwe Robb 1,072]

I'm saying he would be a lot closer to anything we have right now. Sorry, I didn't know the all-conference selection committee was on this msg board.

Do you think if Mockevicius were on a B1G team he would end up being on any of the All-Conference teams?  Based on that list of players that is the level of player he would need to be to meet your expectations for stats.

[Uwe Robb 1,072]

I see him playing professionally, which is what most of your list is doing. Only 3 of them left in league right now.

I know there is talent outside our beloved conference that could produce numbers.  I don't agree with the notion that he could put up at least 10 & 8.  The list of players was to prove it's not an easy task and you have to be rather elite to accomplish that in the B1G. 

 

Venky Jols did that against an undersized IU squad with a horrible defense.  You keep picking individual games to reference while I'm providing you with players who actually played in the conference.  I'm not doubting the kid from UE could put up at least 10 & 8 against a B1G team.  I'm doubting he would average that.

 

Green, Sullinger, Leonard, and Zeller are doing decent to great in the NBA.  I don't think Mbakwe was drafted and Johnson might be in the D-League?  I'm not sure what they're doing in the pros has to do with the elite level you have to be at to average 10 & 8 in the B1G.  They were drafted and that is usually your elite level players from college.  Do you see the UE kid getting drafted?

[TheStillman 991]

I'm saying he would be a lot closer to anything we have right now. Sorry, I didn't know the all-conference selection committee was on this msg board.

 

Your exact quote was "Couldn't see him averaging less than 10 & 8".  Aloha examined players who had done this over the past few years and it showed that if he were to achieve this it would mean he'd likely by All-B1G.  I'm not saying it is impossible, but it seems highly unlikely that he could step in to the B1G for one season and join that list of players who have gotten 10 and 8.

[HoosierAloha 30,102]

I see him playing professionally, which is what most of your list is doing. Only 3 of them left in league right now.

 

Green, Zeller, Sullinger, Leonard, Vonleh?  Add at least Kamisky to that after this season.

[HoosierAloha 30,102]

Your exact quote was "Couldn't see him averaging less than 10 & 8".  Aloha examined players who had done this over the past few years and it showed that if he were to achieve this it would mean he'd likely by All-B1G.  I'm not saying it is impossible, but it seems highly unlikely that he could step in to the B1G for one season and join that list of players who have gotten 10 and 8.

 

Exactly, now if the numbers were 10 & 6 or similar I think that is quite realistic.  I think people, in general, don't understand how difficult it is to average 10 & 8 in the B1G.  That is without figuring in he would play on an IU squad that shoots a high percentage and gives up a high percentage so the overall number of rebounds to be had would be less. 

[JSHoosier 22,182]

What is it that has some optimistic about April?

He's tall and, well, ummm...okay, he's tall.

[Uwe Robb 1,072]

IU also has more possessions per game. So that would mean more opportunities. I have actually seen this guy play, so I will stand by my original quote. You guys can believe whatever you need to believe.

Exactly, now if the numbers were 10 & 6 or similar I think that is quite realistic.  I think people, in general, don't understand how difficult it is to average 10 & 8 in the B1G.  That is without figuring in he would play on an IU squad that shoots a high percentage and gives up a high percentage so the overall number of rebounds to be had would be less. 

[biteoftheapple 4,115]

I will.

[Uwe Robb 1,072]

I will stand by my original quote. If JBJ can grab 5.5 a game then I am confident a 6"11" guy with ability can get 8. The only thing that would stop him is the fact that I am sure Crean's substitution patterns would have him at about 15 mpg with Yogi or Stan playing the post.

[shortspacequickness 1,034]

I will stand by my original quote. If JBJ can grab 5.5 a game then I am confident a 6"11" guy with ability can get 8. The only thing that would stop him is the fact that I am sure Crean's substitution patterns would have him at about 15 mpg with Yogi or Stan playing the post.

Laughable. There isn't a chance in hell April could average 4 rebounds let alone 8. He'd get tired after about 3 trips up the floor.

[Uwe Robb 1,072]

Think you jumped in a little too soon on this my friend. Not talking about April. Talking about another player not on our team that gets just as much playing time as April.

[HoosierAloha 30,102]

IU also has more possessions per game. So that would mean more opportunities. I have actually seen this guy play, so I will stand by my original quote. You guys can believe whatever you need to believe.

 

I will stand by my original quote. If JBJ can grab 5.5 a game then I am confident a 6"11" guy with ability can get 8. The only thing that would stop him is the fact that I am sure Crean's substitution patterns would have him at about 15 mpg with Yogi or Stan playing the post.

 

 

Not trying change your belief just trying to state facts and statistics to backup the fact you have to be ELITE to average those numbers in the B1G.  Also, JBJ grabbing 5.5 and Troy getting about 7 that would reduce his numbers as well.  The pace of play provides more shots but higher FG% reduces the number of opportunities.  I would assume his number of minutes would also decrease because of the pace of play.  I would be willing to make a bet, if he does happen to transfer to a B1G team, that he wouldn't average "at least" 10 & 8.

[Uwe Robb 1,072]

I guess we just don't see eye to eye. If we had a 6'11" big then I promise JBJ and Troy's numbers would go down. There are only so many rebounds to be had. I am not saying he going to create 8 new rebounds per game. If we had a guy with his rebounding ablitiy the Troy and JBJ would be releasing and looking to run a lot more than they already do. The only thing I agree with is his minutes. He averages 28 mpg right now. In Crean's system he would undoubtedly average less. Just ask Vonleh.

[HoosierAloha 30,102]

I guess we just don't see eye to eye. If we had a 6'11" big then I promise JBJ and Troy's numbers would go down. There are only so many rebounds to be had. I am not saying he going to create 8 new rebounds per game. If we had a guy with his rebounding ablitiy the Troy and JBJ would be releasing and looking to run a lot more than they already do. The only thing I agree with is his minutes. He averages 28 mpg right now. In Crean's system he would undoubtedly average less. Just ask Vonleh.

 

I agree that JBJ and Troy's numbers would go down if we had a big who could rebound.  I just don't think people realize how elite you have to be to average 10 & 8 in the B1G.  I would also like to see a big who can board and throw that outlet pass.  I've watched several UNC games and Meeks is excellent and Anya, the little I've watched of him, has also impressed with his rebounding ability.  I just don't think guys like that could average more than 20 minutes per with our pace.