College Bball Thread

[Uspshoosier]

Nebraska up 9 at Penn St with 9:15 to go 

[Uspshoosier]

Drake on an 8-0 run and they are down 2 with 4:40 to go 

[LamarCheeks]

Drake has five guys who are from or have ties to NW Indiana: two from Merrillville, one from Griffith, one from Gary and one from Illinois who went to Hammond Noll. 

I'm from those parts. 

Wonder how that pipeline developed. 

[Uspshoosier]

2 minutes ago, LamarCheeks said:

Drake has five guys with who are from or have ties to NW Indiana: two from Merrillville, one from Griffith, one from Gary and one from Illinois who went to Hammond Noll. 

I'm from those parts. 

Wonder how that pipeline developed. 

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[Uspshoosier]

15 minutes ago, Uspshoosier said:

Drake on an 8-0 run and they are down 2 with 4:40 to go 

OT

[Uspshoosier]

22 minutes ago, Uspshoosier said:

Nebraska up 9 at Penn St with 9:15 to go 

Nebraska up 1.  Penn st ball with 8 sec to go.    Penn st went on a 12-0 to take a 1 pt lead before Nebraska scored 

seton hall up 4 on Marquette 30 secs to go.     Heck of a window of games going on right now 

 

[Uspshoosier]

Nebraska wins 

[Uspshoosier]

Marquette falls to 9-12 

[woodenshoemanHoosierfan]

Nebraska wins 

First B1G win in 13 months. I wonder if Nebraska are regretting firing Miles

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[RaceToTheTop]

Hoiberg's first win in the Big Ten.

Now can we talk about how freaking stupid the NET ranking system is?  Penn State entered today at 7-9 but a net ranking of 31.  They have exactly ONE game away from home.  I get that they've had 14 Quad 1 and Quad 2 games, but let's compare their resume to IU's.

IU:  11-9 overall, 7-8 in Q1 and Q2, 6-5 away from home.

Penn State after today:  7-10 overall, 5-9 in Q1 and Q2, 1-7 away from home.

Yet Penn State is going to be 15 or so spot ahead of IU.  It's laughable.

[RaceToTheTop]

2 minutes ago, woodenshoemanHoosierfan said:

First B1G win in 13 months. I wonder if Nebraska are regretting firing Miles

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Hoiberg's MO is always trying to win by bringing in transfers.  It's how he won at Iowa State.  Seemed to me that was what Miles was always trying to do as well.  Not sure what gain there was plus it will take time for Hoiberg just to get back to where Miles was.

[WayneFleekHoosier]

6 minutes ago, Uspshoosier said:

Marquette falls to 9-12 

I missed this one.   Thought they’d be better. 

[TheWatShot]

8 minutes ago, brumdog45 said:

Hoiberg's first win in the Big Ten.

Now can we talk about how freaking stupid the NET ranking system is?  Penn State entered today at 7-9 but a net ranking of 31.  They have exactly ONE game away from home.  I get that they've had 14 Quad 1 and Quad 2 games, but let's compare their resume to IU's.

IU:  11-9 overall, 7-8 in Q1 and Q2, 6-5 away from home.

Penn State after today:  7-10 overall, 5-9 in Q1 and Q2, 1-7 away from home.

Yet Penn State is going to be 15 or so spot ahead of IU.  It's laughable.

We moved up 3 spots after barely beating an awful Northwestern team on the road but stayed put after beating #8 Iowa at home. The geeks who came up with these rankings need to go back to pushing pencils. 

[Uspshoosier]

13 minutes ago, brumdog45 said:

Hoiberg's first win in the Big Ten.

Now can we talk about how freaking stupid the NET ranking system is?  Penn State entered today at 7-9 but a net ranking of 31.  They have exactly ONE game away from home.  I get that they've had 14 Quad 1 and Quad 2 games, but let's compare their resume to IU's.

IU:  11-9 overall, 7-8 in Q1 and Q2, 6-5 away from home.

Penn State after today:  7-10 overall, 5-9 in Q1 and Q2, 1-7 away from home.

Yet Penn State is going to be 15 or so spot ahead of IU.  It's laughable.

Net like any other metric used is going to have its flaws.  This stuff ends up working itself out.   The overall net number is used as a sorting tool.   Once they put teams together and break it down more the reasons you stated would be why Indiana would get picked over penn st even though penn st had a better net number 

[LamarCheeks]

Drake beats Loyola-Chicago in OT --- teams getting snippy with each other after the final buzzer. 

[Uspshoosier]

Just now, LamarCheeks said:

Drake beats Loyola-Chicago in OT --- teams getting snippy with each other after the final buzzer. 

Best result for both teams and the MVC was for these 2 to split.    They both still at-large chances.   If drake would of lost that one their at large chances would of taken a big hit 

[kreigh8]

14 minutes ago, Uspshoosier said:

Best result for both teams and the MVC was for these 2 to split.    They both still at-large chances.   If drake would of lost that one their at large chances would of taken a big hit 

How much of them being considered the first 4 out for Lunardi is their best player going down? In terms of body of work being 20-2 is pretty damn good, and personally feel they should be rewarded for that. I'd much rather see them get in than a 12-10 IU, Duke, UNC or whoever you want to list here from a Power 5 conference. MVC has had some decent success in the tourney the past few years, not that that has any impact for 2021, but just my take

 

Edit: I desperately want IU to make the tourney, but not if we continue to play the way we have been and lose 3 or 4 out of our next 5. Playing your best ball as the tourney approaches used to be a factor, which as I say that might exclude Drake so perhaps talking out of both sides of my mouth here. But 20-2 and a team that's been in the top 25 for most of the season should get in.

[Uspshoosier]

15 minutes ago, kreigh8 said:

How much of them being considered the first 4 out for Lunardi is their best player going down? In terms of body of work being 20-2 is pretty damn good, and personally feel they should be rewarded for that. I'd much rather see them get in than a 12-10 IU, Duke, UNC or whoever you want to list here from a Power 5 conference. MVC has had some decent success in the tourney the past few years, not that that has any impact for 2021, but just my take

That’s always the question.    Before they played Loyola they had not played a Q1 game all year.  Their Q2 games were on the road against Missouri St (2)and (2)Indiana St.   14 wins against 179 or lower and (2 of  their 20 wins against non D1 schools)with a Q3 loss to team team over the 200’s.   SOS-264 and non conference sos-314.    Winning this game was huge in my opinion.   
 

 

[RaceToTheTop]

33 minutes ago, Uspshoosier said:

Net like any other metric used is going to have its flaws.  This stuff ends up working itself out.   The overall net number is used as a sorting tool.   Once they put teams together and break it down more the reasons you stated would be why Indiana would get picked over penn st even though penn st had a better net number 

There was a difference of 20 in the NET ranking entering today.......and its clear that the team with a NET of 51 in this case has a better resume than one of 31.  In order for it to truly a sorting tool, shouldn't you be comparing teams with similar NET ratings?  Because 31 and 51 aren't similar.  Why would teams with NET differences of 20 be considered in the same grouping other than the fact that the NET ranking is a useless tool?

Pom:  Indiana 29, Penn State 37

Sagarin:  Indiana 30, Penn State 39

Simple question:  does the NET system successfully accomplish anything that Sagarin and Pom do not?

I mean, Colgate is ranked a ridiculous #11.  Every year I hear that 'you have to wait awhile for the NET rankings sort themselves out'.  You never hear that about Ken Pom or Sagarin.  A system that puts Colgate at #11 -- even when they've only played 9 games and four of them being against Holy Cross -- is one I don't bother caring about other than the fact that the NCAA is using it as part of the process.

[Uspshoosier]

11 minutes ago, brumdog45 said:

There was a difference of 20 in the NET ranking entering today.......and its clear that the team with a NET of 51 in this case has a better resume than one of 31.  In order for it to truly a sorting tool, shouldn't you be comparing teams with similar NET ratings?  Because 31 and 51 aren't similar.  Why would teams with NET differences of 20 be considered in the same grouping other than the fact that the NET ranking is a useless tool?

Pom:  Indiana 29, Penn State 37

Sagarin:  Indiana 30, Penn State 39

Simple question:  does the NET system successfully accomplish anything that Sagarin and Pom do not?

I mean, Colgate is ranked a ridiculous #11.  Every year I hear that 'you have to wait awhile for the NET rankings sort themselves out'.  You never hear that about Ken Pom or Sagarin.  A system that puts Colgate at #11 -- even when they've only played 9 games and four of them being against Holy Cross -- is one I don't bother caring about other than the fact that the NCAA is using it as part of the process.

Kenpom himself says to not use his metric during selection process because that’s not what it’s for.   He also says his ratings each year need time.  His algorithm uses last years data at the beginning so it takes some to time.